Should Christians celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday?

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homwardbound

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celebrating that is beatiful, but I will not do it with babylonian religion pasted over the top of it,, especially when it (this exact babylonian practice) is condemmed in Scripture.

No I will not worship or celebrate the Messiah the way satan tells the world to, I will do it the way Yahweh tells me to.

Yahweh has ordained 7 Holy Days the 100% lay out the entire works of Messiah Yahshua 1st and 2nd coming.

but im the one who is wrong in PEOPLES MINDS, crazy world, but im ok with that.
So you are right and all that disagree are wrong? Are you Christ? does not everyone have the right to express their opinion and hopefully in Love not condemnation?
 

homwardbound

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With pagan symbols and practices that are an affront to God? Why doesn't He tell us when He was born? Why doesn't He tell us how to celebrate His birth? Why doesn't the Bible even mention the Apostles celebrating xmas?

Yet He devotes a whole chapter telling us what to celebrate, Lev 23 and how many celebrate the Feasts of the LORD? The days He celebrated and tells us to?
I just simply Love you as God does through Son
 

Hizikyah

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

celebrating that is beatiful, but I will not do it with babylonian religion pasted over the top of it,, especially when it (this exact babylonian practice) is condemmed in Scripture.

No I will not worship or celebrate the Messiah the way satan tells the world to, I will do it the way Yahweh tells me to.

Yahweh has ordained 7 Holy Days the 100% lay out the entire works of Messiah Yahshua 1st and 2nd coming.

but im the one who is wrong in PEOPLES MINDS, crazy world, but im ok with that.


So you are right and all that disagree are wrong? Are you Christ? does not everyone have the right to express their opinion and hopefully in Love not condemnation?
you can not disprove that Babylonian ritual known as xmas is condemmed in Scripture, because it clearly is. Also I stated my personal chices, what I choose to do with the little strength Yahweh has given me. How does this warrant you saying, "Are you Christ?"

Im not so sure you understand what love is, you may know what the world and the churches say love is, the greasy grace sloppy agape, all is permitted, allow your brother to fall in the pit kind of love.

This is not Yahweh love I can asure you, Scripture makes this clear over and over and over.

Did the prophets call the people on their transgressions?

Did Messiah call the people on their transgressions? (He didnt condemn but He called wrong, wrong)

Does Yahweh tell the people their transgression and send correction? Chastening His children?

I never said if one celebrates xmas they are beyond repentance and going straight to the lake of fire...

Understand calling a sin a sin is a right deed, allowing your brother to fall into a pit is not a right deed.

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother frankly, so you will not share in his guilt."
 
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Why would it not please God to be worshipped everyday? Because your church says so or because God says so?
To worship God every day is one thing, but what do you read in the Bible that tells you to keep the first day of the week as your sabbath instead of the Seventh? There is and always was a sacrafice for the errors done in ignorance, but once the truth is known, you can no longer claim ignorance. You shouldn't take anyones word for anything that pertains to the Lord, but it is up to you to study and see for yourself what the Bible says once you have bee told. ...and I am sure I don't need to tell you this, but always start with James 1.5-6 and 2 Tim.2.15. Humans can and will fail you, and under the guise of love and peace, but God will not fail you! Just keep in mind that 2 Cor.11.4 make know that there is another jesus, spirit and gospel than the Apostles preached.

God bless
 

homwardbound

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

celebrating that is beatiful, but I will not do it with babylonian religion pasted over the top of it,, especially when it (this exact babylonian practice) is condemmed in Scripture.

No I will not worship or celebrate the Messiah the way satan tells the world to, I will do it the way Yahweh tells me to.

Yahweh has ordained 7 Holy Days the 100% lay out the entire works of Messiah Yahshua 1st and 2nd coming.

but im the one who is wrong in PEOPLES MINDS, crazy world, but im ok with that.




you can not disprove that Babylonian ritual known as xmas is condemmed in Scripture, because it clearly is. Also I stated my personal chices, what I choose to do with the little strength Yahweh has given me. How does this warrant you saying, "Are you Christ?"

Im not so sure you understand what love is, you may know what the world and the churches say love is, the greasy grace sloppy agape, all is permitted, allow your brother to fall in the pit kind of love.

This is not Yahweh love I can asure you, Scripture makes this clear over and over and over.

Did the prophets call the people on their transgressions?

Did Messiah call the people on their transgressions? (He didnt condemn but He called wrong, wrong)

Does Yahweh tell the people their transgression and send correction? Chastening His children?

I never said if one celebrates xmas they are beyond repentance and going straight to the lake of fire...

Understand calling a sin a sin is a right deed, allowing your brother to fall into a pit is not a right deed.

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother frankly, so you will not share in his guilt."
No not all am I Christ nor you either and so we each have our take on to what is truth and what is not. For I trust god to change me to be able to stand , knowing God will wherever I do not stand at presently. For each day, daily I die to me with Christ on the cross, co-crucified so that I might see the new life that has been given me, thanking God all the way for this. Looking back to the cross as King Davis was looking forward to it
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name
 

Hizikyah

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celebrating that is beatiful, but I will not do it with babylonian religion pasted over the top of it,, especially when it (this exact babylonian practice) is condemmed in Scripture.

No I will not worship or celebrate the Messiah the way satan tells the world to, I will do it the way Yahweh tells me to.

Yahweh has ordained 7 Holy Days the 100% lay out the entire works of Messiah Yahshua 1st and 2nd coming.

but im the one who is wrong in PEOPLES MINDS, crazy world, but im ok with that.




So you are right and all that disagree are wrong? Are you Christ? does not everyone have the right to express their opinion and hopefully in Love not condemnation?
Originally Posted by Hizikyah

celebrating that is beatiful, but I will not do it with babylonian religion pasted over the top of it,, especially when it (this exact babylonian practice) is condemmed in Scripture.

No I will not worship or celebrate the Messiah the way satan tells the world to, I will do it the way Yahweh tells me to.

Yahweh has ordained 7 Holy Days the 100% lay out the entire works of Messiah Yahshua 1st and 2nd coming.

but im the one who is wrong in PEOPLES MINDS, crazy world, but im ok with that.




you can not disprove that Babylonian ritual known as xmas is condemmed in Scripture, because it clearly is. Also I stated my personal chices, what I choose to do with the little strength Yahweh has given me. How does this warrant you saying, "Are you Christ?"

Im not so sure you understand what love is, you may know what the world and the churches say love is, the greasy grace sloppy agape, all is permitted, allow your brother to fall in the pit kind of love.

This is not Yahweh love I can asure you, Scripture makes this clear over and over and over.

Did the prophets call the people on their transgressions?

Did Messiah call the people on their transgressions? (He didnt condemn but He called wrong, wrong)

Does Yahweh tell the people their transgression and send correction? Chastening His children?

I never said if one celebrates xmas they are beyond repentance and going straight to the lake of fire...

Understand calling a sin a sin is a right deed, allowing your brother to fall into a pit is not a right deed.

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother frankly, so you will not share in his guilt."
You did not address anything I said.
 
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To worship God every day is one thing, but what do you read in the Bible that tells you to keep the first day of the week as your sabbath instead of the Seventh? There is and always was a sacrafice for the errors done in ignorance, but once the truth is known, you can no longer claim ignorance. You shouldn't take anyones word for anything that pertains to the Lord, but it is up to you to study and see for yourself what the Bible says once you have bee told. ...and I am sure I don't need to tell you this, but always start with James 1.5-6 and 2 Tim.2.15. Humans can and will fail you, and under the guise of love and peace, but God will not fail you! Just keep in mind that 2 Cor.11.4 make know that there is another jesus, spirit and gospel than the Apostles preached.

God bless
That was the Old Covenant, we live in light of the New Covenant. Why do you insist on running back to the Law, when its purpose is to show us how we don't line up with God's standard of holiness and how Christ is our only hope?
 

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I follow the Law of Yah because everywriter of Scriptures says to.

Just as satan convinced in the garden that it was not needed to follow Yahweh'a Instructions this same lie has worked on many...

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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Should Christians worship other gods?

The 1st Commandment is "you shall have no gods in the face of Yahweh."

The Hebrew doesn't say "before me" its none at all!

This festival of tree worship goes well before Messiah.

Would it be ok to do demonic rituals and say its for Jesus or its ok to do?

If you care so little about the way you worship the Creator of all that is, you are on dangerous ground.





Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."

Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
Awesome Quotes and statements...I just love the truth and the book of Jeremiah..well actually I love all of the books of the bible for they contain the truth. Keep proclaiming and Shalom Shalom
 

Hizikyah

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Awesome Quotes and statements...I just love the truth and the book of Jeremiah..well actually I love all of the books of the bible for they contain the truth. Keep proclaiming and Shalom Shalom
thank you brother and praise Yahweh for Him allowing us to dwell on Him and His truth!!!!!!!!!

halleluYAHWEH!
 

Hizikyah

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Yeremyah 16:19-21, "Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods, of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!"
 

homwardbound

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You did not address anything I said.
Whether you see it or not, you are being a legalistic derailment for all those that God just loves
[h=3]Philippians 1:13-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]so that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: [SUP]16 [/SUP]the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: [SUP]17 [/SUP]but the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. [SUP]18 [/SUP]What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

 

Hizikyah

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Whether you see it or not, you are being a legalistic derailment for all those that God just loves
Philippians 1:13-18

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]so that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: [SUP]16 [/SUP]the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: [SUP]17 [/SUP]but the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. [SUP]18 [/SUP]What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

SO never mind the green words? Listening to Yahweh and not compromising with satan is legalisim? Sounds to me like the mystery of iniquity is in effect in the earth.

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."

Deuteronomy 12:3, "You must destroy their altars, break down their sacred pillars and burn their sacred poles. Cut down the images of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in such ways."

Deuteronomy 12:29-32, “When Yahweh your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way, for every abomination to Yahweh, which He hates, they have done to their gods. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. Whatsoever I command you, be careful to observe and do it, you shall not add to it, nor take away from it."
 

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SO never mind the green words? Listening to Yahweh and not compromising with satan is legalisim? Sounds to me like the mystery of iniquity is in effect in the earth.

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."

Deuteronomy 12:3, "You must destroy their altars, break down their sacred pillars and burn their sacred poles. Cut down the images of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in such ways."

Deuteronomy 12:29-32, “When Yahweh your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way, for every abomination to Yahweh, which He hates, they have done to their gods. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. Whatsoever I command you, be careful to observe and do it, you shall not add to it, nor take away from it."
Isa 65:2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; Who sacrifice in gardens, And burn incense on altars of brick;
 

Hizikyah

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Whether you see it or not, you are being a legalistic derailment for all those that God just loves
Philippians 1:13-18

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]so that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: [SUP]16 [/SUP]the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: [SUP]17 [/SUP]but the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. [SUP]18 [/SUP]What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

the greek reflects to preach Messiah taking hold of any "excuse" NOT any falsehood.

Yahchana 4"24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

Christmas is built on lies, lies pasted over the top of Messiah, I will not stand for Messiah Yahshua being watered down, mixed with paganism, and twisted into deciet.
 

Hizikyah

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Isa 65:2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; Who sacrifice in gardens, And burn incense on altars of brick;
wow you really captured it with that verse

"I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts"
 
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That was the Old Covenant, we live in light of the New Covenant. Why do you insist on running back to the Law, when its purpose is to show us how we don't line up with God's standard of holiness and how Christ is our only hope?

Tintin, you said something, but you did not do what I asked. I asked what in the Bible tells you to keep the first day of the week as Sabbath instead of the seventh. It would behove you to do more research ON the "New Covenant", because so far, "the winds of doctrine" have blown you off course... A simple question, if that, or any other changes in the eternal feasts and Sabbaths were ordained under the New Covenant, why did the Council of Nicaea wait until the Aposltes were all dead to make the changes? A good thing to keep in mind, is that since the dark ages and the inquisitions, no one knows their true heritage, and "in the same net they set is their own foot taken"(Ps.9.15-16). This is not the time to lean on or defend Doctirne, this is the time to go back to the express word fo God and trust him only for what he means by what he says.

With love for the Brethren

Hashem Tzidkeinu
 

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Tintin, you said something, but you did not do what I asked. I asked what in the Bible tells you to keep the first day of the week as Sabbath instead of the seventh. It would behove you to do more research ON the "New Covenant", because so far, "the winds of doctrine" have blown you off course... A simple question, if that, or any other changes in the eternal feasts and Sabbaths were ordained under the New Covenant, why did the Council of Nicaea wait until the Aposltes were all dead to make the changes? A good thing to keep in mind, is that since the dark ages and the inquisitions, no one knows their true heritage, and "in the same net they set is their own foot taken"(Ps.9.15-16). This is not the time to lean on or defend Doctirne, this is the time to go back to the express word fo God and trust him only for what he means by what he says.

With love for the Brethren

Hashem Tzidkeinu
so you're another Israelite, who is going back under a Covenant that doesn't exist - just in case.

don't you know there's a curse?
 
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so you're another Israelite, who is going back under a Covenant that doesn't exist - just in case.

don't you know there's a curse?
Zone, I realize you are reading a privately interpreted version of the Bible(2 Pet.2.20), but Gal.3.13 says Jesus "redeemed us FROM the curse of the law", so Apollyon can go peddle his wares elsewhere, the "winds of doctrin" and "the floods out of the serpents mouth" that are against those who "KEEP the commandments of God AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ", did not deceive those who built their house on the solid rock(Rev.12.15-17, Matt.7.25).

By-the-way, since Jesus died once for every man, are you still expecting to die before you escape the second death?


Hashem Tzidkeinu
 
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Tintin, you said something, but you did not do what I asked. I asked what in the Bible tells you to keep the first day of the week as Sabbath instead of the seventh. It would behove you to do more research ON the "New Covenant", because so far, "the winds of doctrine" have blown you off course... A simple question, if that, or any other changes in the eternal feasts and Sabbaths were ordained under the New Covenant, why did the Council of Nicaea wait until the Aposltes were all dead to make the changes? A good thing to keep in mind, is that since the dark ages and the inquisitions, no one knows their true heritage, and "in the same net they set is their own foot taken"(Ps.9.15-16). This is not the time to lean on or defend Doctirne, this is the time to go back to the express word fo God and trust him only for what he means by what he says.

With love for the Brethren

Hashem Tzidkeinu
I know all about the New Covenant, I think you're the one blown off-course with all of this adherence to the Old Testament laws.