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I can show you a verse that condemns that...
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
the example given is identical to the christmas tree
For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
the example given is identical to the christmas tree
For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
And Christmas trees are not fastened with hammers in order that they don't move. They are out up every year. Now I personally see noint in Christmas trees but I will not condemn another because they may.
again ritual or not, it holds no power in this day and age but what we give it. And the true mystery of iniquity is this; we are talking about trees in a world that kills 30000 children alone each and every day. The irony being that we presently have enough to house, clothe and feed all for free! But because we reverence shiny rocks, colorful paper and numbers on a computer, we can care less about the real issues.
I do not know who actually believes or not. Who just says they do and twists and shouts. Who listens to God and who just says they do for their own gain.
I do know that God knows, and will deal with it in God's way in God's timing, not mine and am thankful for that, That God is Merciful and showed this Mercy and gave me Mercy through Son Christ.
And I thank you for you and John832, you have helped in my walk with God more than you may know. And it matters not to me your intent as to whether to deceive or be set free.
I am freer in Christ through you all than I was ever before reading any of you all's posts
Thank you, I know why Christ came, why he fulfilled the Law for those that come to belief. Those that know they need Father and could never be perfect in need of the perfection, which is won for us by Christ and Crist alone
Thanks again from Howard
I do know that God knows, and will deal with it in God's way in God's timing, not mine and am thankful for that, That God is Merciful and showed this Mercy and gave me Mercy through Son Christ.
And I thank you for you and John832, you have helped in my walk with God more than you may know. And it matters not to me your intent as to whether to deceive or be set free.
I am freer in Christ through you all than I was ever before reading any of you all's posts
Thank you, I know why Christ came, why he fulfilled the Law for those that come to belief. Those that know they need Father and could never be perfect in need of the perfection, which is won for us by Christ and Crist alone
Thanks again from Howard
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed."
Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed."
I dont know a mans heart but I do know if someone is practicing babylonian rituals when they say they do and see no problem with it.
I know that Messiah says we, MUST worship in Spirit and TRUTH, and I know Yahweh says do not worship Him in their (Bablonian) ways.
You have turned the speaking of truth and promotion of the removal of babylonian practices into evil.
Show me where Yahshua said bablonian rituals are ok?
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
2 Timothy 4:2-4, "Preach the word Be instant; ready to take your positions in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears. And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."
FABLES.
I know that Messiah says we, MUST worship in Spirit and TRUTH, and I know Yahweh says do not worship Him in their (Bablonian) ways.
You have turned the speaking of truth and promotion of the removal of babylonian practices into evil.
Show me where Yahshua said bablonian rituals are ok?
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
2 Timothy 4:2-4, "Preach the word Be instant; ready to take your positions in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears. And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."
FABLES.
What is it that you sound as condemning to all those that do not see as you do?
Sorry but you are expounding Law as if one can't get to Heaven unless they obey it perfectly?
Have you or are you going to is anyone?
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[h=3]Romans 10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
10 Dear brothers, the longing of my heart and my prayer is that the Jewish people might be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know what enthusiasm they have for the honor of God, but it is misdirected zeal. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they don’t understand that Christ has died to make them right with God. Instead they are trying to make themselves good enough to gain God’s favor by keeping the Jewish laws and customs, but that is not God’s way of salvation. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They don’t understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by keeping his laws. He ends all of that.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Moses wrote that if a person could be perfectly good and hold out against temptation all his life and never sin once, only then could he be pardoned and saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the salvation that comes through faith says, “You don’t need to search the heavens to find Christ and bring him down to help you,” and, [SUP]7 [/SUP]“You don’t need to go among the dead to bring Christ back to life again.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For salvation that comes from trusting Christ—which is what we preach—is already within easy reach of each of us; in fact, it is as near as our own hearts and mouths. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if you tell others with your own mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord and believe in your own heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For it is by believing in his heart that a man becomes right with God; and with his mouth he tells others of his faith, confirming his salvation.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scriptures tell us that no one who believes in Christ will ever be disappointed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect: they all have the same Lord who generously gives his riches to all those who ask him for them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But how shall they ask him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? [SUP]15 [/SUP]And how will anyone go and tell them unless someone sends him? That is what the Scriptures are talking about when they say, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the Gospel of peace with God and bring glad tidings of good things.”[SUP][b][/SUP] In other words, how welcome are those who come preaching God’s Good News!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But not everyone who hears the Good News has welcomed it, for Isaiah the prophet said, “Lord, who has believed me when I told them?”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Yet faith comes from listening to this Good News—the Good News about Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But what about the Jews? Have they heard God’s Word? Yes, for it has gone wherever they are; the Good News has been told to the ends of the earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And did they understand that God would give his salvation to others if they refused to take it[SUP][d][/SUP]? Yes, for even back in the time of Moses, God had said that he would make his people jealous and try to wake them up by giving his salvation to the foolish heathen nations. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And later on Isaiah said boldly that God would be found by people who weren’t even looking for him.[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]21 [/SUP]In the meantime, he keeps on reaching out his hands to the Jews, but they keep arguing[SUP][f][/SUP] and refusing to come.
Sorry but you are expounding Law as if one can't get to Heaven unless they obey it perfectly?
Have you or are you going to is anyone?
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[h=3]Romans 10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
10 Dear brothers, the longing of my heart and my prayer is that the Jewish people might be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know what enthusiasm they have for the honor of God, but it is misdirected zeal. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they don’t understand that Christ has died to make them right with God. Instead they are trying to make themselves good enough to gain God’s favor by keeping the Jewish laws and customs, but that is not God’s way of salvation. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They don’t understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by keeping his laws. He ends all of that.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Moses wrote that if a person could be perfectly good and hold out against temptation all his life and never sin once, only then could he be pardoned and saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the salvation that comes through faith says, “You don’t need to search the heavens to find Christ and bring him down to help you,” and, [SUP]7 [/SUP]“You don’t need to go among the dead to bring Christ back to life again.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For salvation that comes from trusting Christ—which is what we preach—is already within easy reach of each of us; in fact, it is as near as our own hearts and mouths. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if you tell others with your own mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord and believe in your own heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For it is by believing in his heart that a man becomes right with God; and with his mouth he tells others of his faith, confirming his salvation.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scriptures tell us that no one who believes in Christ will ever be disappointed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect: they all have the same Lord who generously gives his riches to all those who ask him for them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But how shall they ask him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? [SUP]15 [/SUP]And how will anyone go and tell them unless someone sends him? That is what the Scriptures are talking about when they say, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the Gospel of peace with God and bring glad tidings of good things.”[SUP][b][/SUP] In other words, how welcome are those who come preaching God’s Good News!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But not everyone who hears the Good News has welcomed it, for Isaiah the prophet said, “Lord, who has believed me when I told them?”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Yet faith comes from listening to this Good News—the Good News about Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But what about the Jews? Have they heard God’s Word? Yes, for it has gone wherever they are; the Good News has been told to the ends of the earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And did they understand that God would give his salvation to others if they refused to take it[SUP][d][/SUP]? Yes, for even back in the time of Moses, God had said that he would make his people jealous and try to wake them up by giving his salvation to the foolish heathen nations. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And later on Isaiah said boldly that God would be found by people who weren’t even looking for him.[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]21 [/SUP]In the meantime, he keeps on reaching out his hands to the Jews, but they keep arguing[SUP][f][/SUP] and refusing to come.
What is so hard to understand about : "You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way"
Am i interpreting it wrong?
Also, show me where I said whoever does such and scu is going to the lake of fire and beyond repentance?
You cant because I never said that, and thus you are misrepresenting me. Is it ok to say if one tries to be justified by works they are wrong? Why can I not call satan, satan? I call a sin a sin, we have gone over this many times.
Quote me a post of mine where THESE words come out of my mouth?
I have not said this, thus you give false witness. I will quote Scripture THE MESSIAH SAID:
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Im not sure whay you are saying here, but I think...
You see according to Messiah there is a difference between those who will subject themselves to Yahweh's Law and those who will not subject themselves to Yawheh's Law. He says those who will not, He will cast aside, you may stand on whoever words you want, I will stand on Messiah's.
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
You see the world will be we are talking endtimes, future, devoured with a curse because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. If the Law were no longer valid Yah would be unfair for doing this. Yahweh is 100% fair and judges righteously 100% of the time.
This translation does not capture the greek at all, the greek text means Yahshua is the goal of the Law.
Also Shaul is talking about the Jews making their own law and not submitting to Yahweh's Law.
Judasim and phariseeisim is not based on following Yahweh's Law, it is based on following the Talmud, which is man made law.
Also Shaul is talking about the Jews making their own law and not submitting to Yahweh's Law.
Judasim and phariseeisim is not based on following Yahweh's Law, it is based on following the Talmud, which is man made law.
I am sixty-nine years old, and I do not bother a lot with Christmas, though I do honor the Birth of our Savior. In all my years, I have never seen anyone, child or adult, worhipping a Christmas tree. The asherim were worshipped as holy.............Christmas trees are just decorations. Pleae folks, allow others, when in earnest, to practice their faith and honor their Savior, our Savior, as they will. They are not worshipping trees.
At least, for unbelievers who observe Christmas for the sakes of their children are drawing attention to Yeshua, Jesus, once a year, and this gives them food for thought.
Our Father will take what is not to confound that which is, how much more then will He use a custome created by men to bring more souls to our Lord? This debate is moot.
At least, for unbelievers who observe Christmas for the sakes of their children are drawing attention to Yeshua, Jesus, once a year, and this gives them food for thought.
Our Father will take what is not to confound that which is, how much more then will He use a custome created by men to bring more souls to our Lord? This debate is moot.
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Tintin, please friend, keep in mind how clever we are told the enemy of the truth is(2 Cor.11.4-13-14-15, 2 Thess.2.9-10, Eph.6.12). Notice Heb.8.8 says "--I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH; Heb.7.14 "for it is evident that OUR LORD sprang out of JUDAH--"; Eph.1.5 "Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by JESUS CHRIST to himself, according to his good pleasure and will"; The winds of doctrine don't tell you that we are adopted into the tribe of Judah, they dance all around that, but that knowledge throws a whole new light on who we are as the body of Christ. That fulfills Acts 17.26 that we are made one blood with the eternal house of Israel through the sacrafice of Jesus Christ(Jer.31.35-36, Eph.2.12-20).
Heb.8.10 "For this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEART: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people". Rom.2.14-15 "for when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, -- show the work of the law WRITTEN IN THEIR HEART; their consceince ALSO bearing witness --". 1 John 5.3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments, and his commandments are NOT grevious".
Rom.6.14-16 "--for ye are not under the law, but under grace, what then SHALL WE SIN because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID". Gal.3.13 "Christ hath redeemed us from THE CURSE of the law--", Rom.3.21 "but now the righteousness of God witout the law is manifested being witnessed BY THE LAW AND the Prophets"; Deut.6.25 "and it shall BE our righteousness if we observe to do all these commandmenst before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded".
You speak of the fear of the Lord in your underscore, Rom.10.3 "for they being ignorant of God's righteousness, going about to establish their OWN righteousness have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God". Rom.1.18 "for the wrath of God is REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness --of men who HOLD THE TRUTH in unrighteousness"; Rom.2.16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL";
Heb.8.10 "For this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEART: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people". Rom.2.14-15 "for when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, -- show the work of the law WRITTEN IN THEIR HEART; their consceince ALSO bearing witness --". 1 John 5.3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments, and his commandments are NOT grevious".
Rom.6.14-16 "--for ye are not under the law, but under grace, what then SHALL WE SIN because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID". Gal.3.13 "Christ hath redeemed us from THE CURSE of the law--", Rom.3.21 "but now the righteousness of God witout the law is manifested being witnessed BY THE LAW AND the Prophets"; Deut.6.25 "and it shall BE our righteousness if we observe to do all these commandmenst before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded".
You speak of the fear of the Lord in your underscore, Rom.10.3 "for they being ignorant of God's righteousness, going about to establish their OWN righteousness have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God". Rom.1.18 "for the wrath of God is REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness --of men who HOLD THE TRUTH in unrighteousness"; Rom.2.16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL";
