Should we stand with Israel?

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eternally-gratefull

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Seems to me you keep resorting to name calling,
when you do not like the bible verses given.
There is a reason some people are on ignore.. They are just not worth arguing with.. Their hatred and namealling of anyone who does not agree with them is just unchristlike, and not really worth giving them an audience.
 

OneFaith

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Romans 11.
They are beloved because of the election, But hated because of the gospel (because they reject it and are our enemy)


God does not break his promises. He will not break it to the nation of Israel if they repent. And he will not break it for his children if them mess up.

ETERNAL means forever..
IF they repent they will follow God's Son. If they follow God's Son they will be Christians. They will no longer enter the kingdom of heaven by the name Moses or Abraham. All must now enter through Christ only. Yes, God will keep His promise to Israel- us! Israel is now spiritual Israel. We are israel.

"With flames of fire (hell) He will take vengeance on those who know not God and who obey not the gospel of His Son." Being a physical Israelite will not get someone into heaven, only obeying Christ will.
 

Locutus

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There is a reason some people are on ignore.. They are just not worth arguing with.. Their hatred and namealling of anyone who does not agree with them is just unchristlike, and not really worth giving them an audience.
You have me on ignore yet you want to stick in yer two penneth while making false accusations rolleye.gif

I correctly name "called" the guy as an Armstrongite, he supports Herbie Armstrong's cult and it's spinoff cult the Philadelphia Trumpet with copious uncited copy and pastes from both he also a plagiarist.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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IF they repent they will follow God's Son. If they follow God's Son they will be Christians. They will no longer enter the kingdom of heaven by the name Moses or Abraham. All must now enter through Christ only. Yes, God will keep His promise to Israel- us! Israel is now spiritual Israel. We are israel.

"With flames of fire (hell) He will take vengeance on those who know not God and who obey not the gospel of His Son." Being a physical Israelite will not get someone into heaven, only obeying Christ will.
I was never promised land, I was never promised I would live in peace in that land if I obeyed God, And if I disobeyed God he would punish me, up and to removing from that land and becoming slaves to other nations.

I was promised that through abraham, I will be blessed

You can not take promises God made to one nation, and instill them on people who do not belong to that nation. It is not right, nor is it very logical.

If I replaced Isreal. I would be living in peace in the promised land now. I am not. Because I am not Israel. Nor is the church nor did they replace Isreal.

The church is all people from adam until the last man who will ever come to God for salvation, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the promises God made to the physical descendents of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob. It included people of all races, Male and female. Slave and free..
 

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And see orthodox Jews say the same thing about the land and are against the state of Israel,,,but they deny Jesus is the messiah so no cookie...
 

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Suckers are born every 1/1000 of a millennium.
For someone who does not believe in the mill. reign of Christ
and has to throw out a hole ton of scriptures about it.

"Thy Kingdom come" The Good news of the comming Kingdom of God to earth.
After human misrule causes great tribulation that almost wipes out civilization,

The living Christ is coming as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21),
to put down the rebellion of warring nations (Revelation 17:14), and establish God’s
world-ruling government over all nations (Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27; Isaiah 9:7).

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated, and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).
He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah 14:3-4, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)
“We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come;
because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned” (Revelation 11:17)
“The mountains quake at him, and the hills [will] melt…” (Nahum 1:5), (Rev. 16:18)

-The seventh angel sounds-Kingdoms of current world become Christs (Rev 11:15)
Will commit thy government into his hand, established with judgement and jutice.
(Isaiah 22:21) Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

the Beginning of that rule and world government “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them…and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years”
(Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall
separate them one from another,...Matthew 25:32

-A Kingdom appointed to the saints , made rulers over some cities.
the glorified saints of God made perfect,cities will be ruled by spirit beings.

Jesus said: “And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will
I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron…” (Rev 2:26-27).
And again, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]”
(Revelation 3:21; Luke 1:32-33). And, “…we shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities, some over five (Luke 19:12-19)
Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not flesh and blood.

It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name
of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and
all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem:
neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go
no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city
of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God:
and I will write upon him my new name.

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8)
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted to Jerusalem(Isaiah 60:5, 11:15).
World’s gold and silver reserves under the seas for beautiful decorations there.
-Gods latter house shall be greater than of the former (Haggai 2:9)
-Jerusalem is uniquely describes as being “compact together,” tall 122:3

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)
-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men” being very social(Ezekiel 36:36-37-38)
-Superhighways between major cities (Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none be made afried (Ezekiel 34:28-Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting, nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)
-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17) -Equitable property distribution
- every man shall own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4-Lev25) and

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice of melody(Isaiah 51:3)(Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)
-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local animal husbandry (Jer. 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where trees grow (Isaiah 35)
-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant of renown (Ezekiel 34:29)
-A new sharp threshing instrument -the mountains made small(Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of Israel will not forsake them. (ver 17-18)

Trees planted and growing-consider and understand that the [Eternal] hath
done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it” . (verse 19-20)

--All will speak the same language, a pure language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols, Ezekiel 30:13, Micah 5:10-15, Zechariah 13:2

Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst
of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7)
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name.
Psalms 66:4 -God has spoken it, and He is not one to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)

And you dare call me a colt lol
 

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How are you tying the man o' sin with revelation bro - on what herma-newtick?
lol, received a deadly wound in ad70, and in 1948 it was healed by the earth saying let us make an image...
 

OneFaith

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I was never promised land, I was never promised I would live in peace in that land if I obeyed God, And if I disobeyed God he would punish me, up and to removing from that land and becoming slaves to other nations.

I was promised that through abraham, I will be blessed

You can not take promises God made to one nation, and instill them on people who do not belong to that nation. It is not right, nor is it very logical.

If I replaced Isreal. I would be living in peace in the promised land now. I am not. Because I am not Israel. Nor is the church nor did they replace Isreal.

The church is all people from adam until the last man who will ever come to God for salvation, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the promises God made to the physical descendents of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob. It included people of all races, Male and female. Slave and free..
God did give physical lands to physical Israel. But the spiritual goes to the spiritual. Ever heard the hymn... "To Canaan's Land I'm on my way, where the soul never dies."? Is that speaking of a physical land? No it is not. Heaven is for the spiritual- spiritually God's people Israel.
 

Locutus

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Stand - may as well take a seat if yer waiting for that temple to be built tongue.png
 

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I see - so what are you thinking the image is bro?
As close to in name and location and resemblance to the Israel of God as the devil can fabracate and cause mankind to follow after and recieve as Israel instead of the true Jerusalem that descends from heaven.
 

Locutus

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As close to in name and location and resemblance to the Israel of God as the devil can fabracate and cause mankind to follow after and recieve as Israel instead of the true Jerusalem that descends from heaven.
Ok - if I'm correctly reading between the lines here - you are saying Israel was given a deadly blow (in 70 AD) and the "image" is the "Israel" created in 1948 by the "kings" of the earth?

Edited to add - this is new news - lol.
 

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Ok - if I'm correctly reading between the lines here - you are saying Israel was given a deadly blow (in 70 AD) and the "image" is the "Israel" created in 1948 by the "kings" of the earth?

Edited to add - this is new news - lol.

Who is the harlot?
 

Locutus

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Before we move on - did I "read" between the lines correctly - I need to understand where you are headed with this.

I've already stated in the past the whore is Jerusalem and it's apostate people that was destroyed in the 1st century - are we in agreement on this?
 

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I'm Christian and always have been but Just curious of what you said because many of my family are orthodox Jews ,,, who do you think will come in it the man of sin or Christ?
It will certainly be the anti-christ who comes in the third temple to desecrate it. I believe this temple will probably be destroyed during the Tribulation. See (Rev. 11:13).

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eternally-gratefull

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God did give physical lands to physical Israel. But the spiritual goes to the spiritual. Ever heard the hymn... "To Canaan's Land I'm on my way, where the soul never dies."? Is that speaking of a physical land? No it is not. Heaven is for the spiritual- spiritually God's people Israel.
I never said it wasn’t. Nor am I discussing the spiritual place of our eternity, (I do not even think this thread is about that. It is about Gods promise to a nation though Abraham Isaac and Jacob.)

I am discussing the physical promises to a physical nation. God keeps his promises. To say he will not keep his promise is to stain his character.
 

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a) you would have a very hard time to prove that today's Russian and atheistic Israel is actually the one of the Old Testament

b) God was never with unrepentant and unbelieving Israel, but always against it

So your claim has both historical and theological problems.

Trofimus
Fortunately there is a remnant of devout jews and Messianic jews standing in the gap.
 
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we must Trust' and with our Trust' comes more Godly Faith which will help us to grow from
'Faith to Faith' and thus our confidence becomes more 'real' and will bring us to
a place of 'trusting and even more confidence' which is our evidence that we are in and doing
His will...