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He created him (mankind... man and woman as one creation) He create them the rest of the beasts of the field male and female, two seperate creations and set that one creation, mankind aside as Holy. He performed that to represent his own self. The father and I are one. Two immutable attributes of one God, who is not a man as us. Never was never could be .Eternal God has no beginning
In those parables. The head of hair covering in respect to the woman, and uncovering in respect to the man is part of the ceremonial law (woman being silent) when gathering together with multiple families.
The prey in the garden was both, they are considered one. (Can’t attack one without the other) .The woman who is used outwardly to represent both male and female, the whole church, the new creation. The man seen represents Christ not seen using his uncovered head as temporal glory. He must not cover his head the representative glory for Christ, our head .
The woman seen represents man as the glory of in respect the same unseen glory of God. God has no form. She is not left alone with about a representative glory. Her hair The only glory to be seen is the glory of God represented by her hair, and mans unconcerted head both as one. That ceremonial law is only applied when more than one family gathers together.
If either the man covers his head or the woman does not, both will be held responsible. Man does not remain invisible as a representation of Christ who is not a man as us .
i got an idea lets all go to church and lets sit quiet both men and women........... this way we will avoid all the false prophets lurking on every corner and the women also dont violate the commandment to be quiet.............. both sides win.........
if u got the wrong hair length ur out tho, heretic go get ur hair cut (if ur a man) or grow ur hair (if ur a woman).....
if u got the wrong hair length ur out tho, heretic go get ur hair cut (if ur a man) or grow ur hair (if ur a woman).....
This is not true. If Adam did not eat and cancel what his wife did nothing would have happened. They were both guilty...
Num 30:8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.
Num 30:8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.
T
I don't understand why Adam is all of the sudden the good guy.
They both sinned. Adam took his wife's knowledge of the fruit over God's.
If he was truly holy and "Christ-like" he would have been as such and not take the fruit for his Lord whos word he shall old much higher than men and said "I will not eat this fruit, for the Lord has commanded us not to."
He was wrong. He got punished because he was wrong.
Eve was deceived and took the Serpents word over God's. Same thing.
She is also not extremely holy or Christ-like.
They both sinned. Adam took his wife's knowledge of the fruit over God's.
If he was truly holy and "Christ-like" he would have been as such and not take the fruit for his Lord whos word he shall old much higher than men and said "I will not eat this fruit, for the Lord has commanded us not to."
He was wrong. He got punished because he was wrong.
Eve was deceived and took the Serpents word over God's. Same thing.
She is also not extremely holy or Christ-like.
N
noooooo
hes not divine
hes not our savior
i think all phart was saying is he was oppointed for the opposite thing
there were two humans called son of God in scripture
that im aware of
adam and Jesus
Jesus is the messiah
hes the only way to salvation
through HIS sacrifice many are saved
but Adam
through his sacrifice many died
also he didnt take his wifes knowledge
he wasnt decieved
she was
hes not divine
hes not our savior
i think all phart was saying is he was oppointed for the opposite thing
there were two humans called son of God in scripture
that im aware of
adam and Jesus
Jesus is the messiah
hes the only way to salvation
through HIS sacrifice many are saved
but Adam
through his sacrifice many died
also he didnt take his wifes knowledge
he wasnt decieved
she was
K
My husband and I watched about 20 mins of a documentary last night.We started late so I hope to finish it today. I forget the exact name but it was about Islam in Pakistan. They were interviewing a pre-teen girl,about 11 I'd say. She was pointing to a school and saying she had leapt off the back wall and run away leaving her burka behind. Why had she run? Because she was beaten for not keeping herself covered. As the film continues you see no women on the street,all men. When finally do see women all you see is a wall of black,covered from head to toe,no faces seen. Is this what God wants? Is this what God demands of women? Oppression,beatings,no freedom? I get upset when people try to preach a Gospel that binds people,particularly women,and takes away their freedom.
We have someone here that has said more women will be in hell. And also believes its ok to abuse a woman. The Bible tells husbands to treat their wives with consideration and honor,lest their prayers will not be heard. In Matthew Jesus says that we are not to lord authority over each other. When I read some of the things Ive read here I ask where is the difference in some of these views from Islam?
Ive seen in this thread and another all about how women are responsible for dressing modestly. Im about to tell a story here and try not to be vulgar in making my point. My parents,husband and I recently went to a concert at a local church.The person that is the owner of the group I know very well and its a popular southern group. I know without a doubt that the group owner is a Bible believing Christian,Ive known him for years. My husband didn't know him.So I was so happy to see my friend after all this time.
Skipping forward,the men in the group are all married. They walked onstage and did a wonderful job.And I was happy to see my friend and got a chance to talk after service. When we were driving home I eagerly asked my husband if he'd enjoyed the concert and could tell right away he hadn't. He said "didnt you notice the youngest guy?" I admitted I hadn't. He said "how could you not?!" When I asked him to explain he said that the young man had been wearing "skinny" pants. And my husband asked if the young man was possibly gay. I talked to my mother the next day,who had been sitting in the front row. I asked her if she had noticed and she said that everything was so visible she didn't know which way to look. It was very noticeable to her.
People here know I traveled a lot in ministry. And I noticed lately a lot of young Christian men wearing pants as tight as they can wear them and shirts to match. I hear very little complaining about this and I wonder why? If men think that women are not visual at all,they need to dip in to some conversations Ive heard women have. Why is there nothing in this thread about how males dress and conduct themselves? I wonder,and I worry when I see the attitude toward women by some here.We are not Islamic,there is freedom in Christ,yet we all should dress modestly.
I get the feeling by some here that woman are naturally bad. Its just in their nature to try and lead men astray. They are naughty and need to be hit when they "disobey" and should cover themselves so as not to tempt men. I disagree wholeheartedly with feminism.Some here don't,but I do. That being said I also disagree with the attitude that women,like in Islam,that women cannot control their feelings,their sexuality,their thoughts and men must be daddy and discipline them. This is a ridiculous notion and not what the Bible teaches about women. If this is your belief they have a religion for you,Islam,you'll love their women,go find one of them. They're use to looking like,and being treated like garbage. My 10 cents for what its worth.
We have someone here that has said more women will be in hell. And also believes its ok to abuse a woman. The Bible tells husbands to treat their wives with consideration and honor,lest their prayers will not be heard. In Matthew Jesus says that we are not to lord authority over each other. When I read some of the things Ive read here I ask where is the difference in some of these views from Islam?
Ive seen in this thread and another all about how women are responsible for dressing modestly. Im about to tell a story here and try not to be vulgar in making my point. My parents,husband and I recently went to a concert at a local church.The person that is the owner of the group I know very well and its a popular southern group. I know without a doubt that the group owner is a Bible believing Christian,Ive known him for years. My husband didn't know him.So I was so happy to see my friend after all this time.
Skipping forward,the men in the group are all married. They walked onstage and did a wonderful job.And I was happy to see my friend and got a chance to talk after service. When we were driving home I eagerly asked my husband if he'd enjoyed the concert and could tell right away he hadn't. He said "didnt you notice the youngest guy?" I admitted I hadn't. He said "how could you not?!" When I asked him to explain he said that the young man had been wearing "skinny" pants. And my husband asked if the young man was possibly gay. I talked to my mother the next day,who had been sitting in the front row. I asked her if she had noticed and she said that everything was so visible she didn't know which way to look. It was very noticeable to her.
People here know I traveled a lot in ministry. And I noticed lately a lot of young Christian men wearing pants as tight as they can wear them and shirts to match. I hear very little complaining about this and I wonder why? If men think that women are not visual at all,they need to dip in to some conversations Ive heard women have. Why is there nothing in this thread about how males dress and conduct themselves? I wonder,and I worry when I see the attitude toward women by some here.We are not Islamic,there is freedom in Christ,yet we all should dress modestly.
I get the feeling by some here that woman are naturally bad. Its just in their nature to try and lead men astray. They are naughty and need to be hit when they "disobey" and should cover themselves so as not to tempt men. I disagree wholeheartedly with feminism.Some here don't,but I do. That being said I also disagree with the attitude that women,like in Islam,that women cannot control their feelings,their sexuality,their thoughts and men must be daddy and discipline them. This is a ridiculous notion and not what the Bible teaches about women. If this is your belief they have a religion for you,Islam,you'll love their women,go find one of them. They're use to looking like,and being treated like garbage. My 10 cents for what its worth.
Well, he sure tried to hide when he heard God walking through the garden in the cool of the day...and then when asked about it by God, sounds to me like he threw his beautiful bride under the bus first thing.... He says...It was... "the woman that thou gave me"...just saying.
Genesis 3
[FONT="]And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.[/FONT]
Genesis 3
[FONT="]And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.[/FONT]