Sinless

[dcontroversal]

Does anyone here believe that Christians can be sinless?

Make no mistake.....some here walk on water, never sin and always do everything right 24/7/365......and if you are honest about sin in a believer....you will be accused of promoting a live like the devil lifestyle of unrepentant sin.....!!!!!

If WE say that WE have NO SIN, WE ARE DECEIVED and the truth is not IN US!!

 

[Gabriel2020]

Every man knows exactly where he stands with God, the one you cannot deceive. Jesus told us not to let your left hand know what your right hand is doing . Why, ? because that left hand will take it and use it against you every time.. you confess your faults to the wrong people, which is public broadcast for all to see. Every one should be uplifting each other always in the Lord.

 

[TruthTalk]

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1John1:8

Does anyone here believe that Christians can be sinless?

 

[BenFTW]

Its attainment is a wishful hope, a dream to those who have tasted sin's bitter sweetness to only see that righteousness is truly hearty. If it be possible, may we all attain it. If its not possible, may God have mercy. The struggle, as some say, is real. Yet, it is God who shows His strength in our weakness. Sinless in this life? Only with God could it even be fathomable. Yet it comes back to where we started in this walk. By faith. To know the truth, to believe it, and then to walk in it.

 

[FeedtheMachine]

Does anyone here believe that Christians can be sinless?

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Rom 3:23)

We cannot be without sin, but it should not stop us from trying to be sinless

 

[Bogadile]

We cannot be sinless, we can stop the big intentional ones , and we should. For a good testimony if nothing else.

 

[Grandpa]

Being saved is different than being perfected.

Galatians 5:5 [FONT=&quot]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

If we were sinless what would we wait for?

1 Corinthians 15:42-45
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.[/FONT]

 

[MarkHasFaith]

We cannot be sinless, we can stop the big intentional ones , and we should. For a good testimony if nothing else.

What verse do you use that says this?

 

[Denadii]

Does anyone here believe that Christians can be sinless?

Though we are no longer sinners (sinning as a matter of course) We still do sin on occasion. Accidentally I hope. Sinless? Now that's a worthy goal! it is doable I'm sure.

 

[Bogadile]

What verse do you use that says this?

Aside from observing reality the verses are 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Galatians 5:21.
It is not difficult to stop the big intentional ones, many have done it including unbelievers, it is the ones like unjust hatred or laziness that are hard to overcome. But something like adultery should not be hard to stop, even unbelievers do so on a regular basis.

 

[G00WZ]

Its a pointless question because a Christians life is supposed to be focused on Christ and being who He said they are in Him, and conforming to His image Romans 8-29. Our sins were dealt with on the cross, and that is past, present and future sins. The bible tells us to consider ourselves dead to sin but instead be alive to God through Christ... Romans 6:10-14. We are under grace, not the law.. and we don't need to walk on eggshells trying to avoid making mistakes because even when we do we have an advocate with the Father... yes that does sound weak and flimsy, but the truth is, Christ is the truth
and some prefer to spend their time trying to avoid sin all day long (the very thing that they were told to count themselves dead to) rather than live under the grace and in their new identity in Christ... I would encourage anyone to try to emulate the characteristics of Christ, while considering them self dead to sin, and to see how much room they have to sin while they are in that mode..Ephesians 5:1..

 

[tourist]

Does anyone here believe that Christians can be sinless?

No, I don't believe that it's possible but with the grace of God and the desire to change all things are possible.

 

[Stewart]

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1John1:8

I say a BILLION AMENS to this biblical truth!

 

[Meggido]

Romans 6.1-11

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, [SUP]6 [/SUP]knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; [SUP]7 [/SUP]for he who has died is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, [SUP]9 [/SUP]knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 

[BenFTW]

Romans 6.1-11

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, [SUP]6 [/SUP]knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; [SUP]7 [/SUP]for he who has died is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, [SUP]9 [/SUP]knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Our walk is one of faith, to believe and trust in the Lord. We read these scriptures, but do we take hold of them? Do we receive them? We need to let this truth sink in, we need to soak in the water. We need to believe. These things are true, but if our walk in not showing this reality, we must examine ourselves. Do we believe? May the Lord help us in our unbelief.

 

[Grace777x70]

I believe that "sin" - the noun - not having dominion over us ( Rom. 6:14 ) is referring to the sin that is in the flesh not having dominion because we are in the spirit in Christ and not in the flesh.

I look at "sinning" ( the action ) as a response to the deceitfulness of sin - the noun ( that which is still in our flesh ) if we yield to the lie that the sin in our flesh is saying to us. Kind of like cause and effect - that is if we believe the lie of sin that speaks to us.

I too believe that the more we get a revelation that we are not in the flesh but really in the spirit because the real us is in Christ - the new creation - then "the influence" of sin loses it's power because of walking by the Spirit which is all based on the grace of Christ alone.

It's the influence of sin in our flesh that deceives us into doing the action of sinning. That is what I see in "sin shall not have dominion over us".

Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Galatians 5:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

The flesh ( which are the ways and old habits of getting things from the world instead of through faith in Christ ) and the law/principle of sin ( Romans 7:23 ) work together in cohoots.

They know what works on us individually. For example: If in the past we are trying in our own fleshly ways to get love by having sex with others. Then the power of sin will inflame that desire in us to be with other people.

If we have a problem with pride - then the power of sin will use that to influence us to think that we are the beginning and end of all things... If we think lowly of ourselves then the power of sin will use that to say we are worthless.

Each of us have our own unique fleshly ways of trying to find life from the world's belief system instead of through Christ's life that is in us. This brings death but walking by the spirit brings life and peace through the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work alone.

 

[MarkHasFaith]

Aside from observing reality the verses are 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Galatians 5:21.
It is not difficult to stop the big intentional ones, many have done it including unbelievers, it is the ones like unjust hatred or laziness that are hard to overcome. But something like adultery should not be hard to stop, even unbelievers do so on a regular basis.

Our reality is not based on the world around us but on what the word says. If our focus is on the world around us
then we are not focused on the word, in that way, no person could over come sin. A person's actions is based on
what is in them. The more conformed to the word they become the less they yield to the flesh that leads people
to sin. We are not told anywhere in the bible to sin less or not to sin as we used to, but we are told to be completely
dead to sin. It doesn't happen over night, that is why we are told to crucify the flesh where the sin nature exists.
It's a process, but I believe it's up to the person themselves how long that process will take. Somebody more involved
with things of this world are gonna have a longer time to submit fully to God, rather than someone more committed to
the word.

 

[stonesoffire]

Can we be filled with the glory of God? That's the question I would like to know. Scriptures speak of fullness. To me that is Light and wouldn't that be the same as glory?

It's more about a pure heart which would have to do with motives wouldn't it? Sins are just actions of the tempter for the Christian.

Is how I see it now anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Grace777x70]

This below has helped me to know the difference between "sin" - the noun used in Romans 6:14 "sin shall not have dominion over you" and "sinning" the verb which is the action of sinning.

In order to understand Romans 6-7 ( and then finally chapter 8 where the Spirit comes in ) we need to understand the difference between "sin" and "sinning".

Not knowing this leads to all kinds of doctrines like this "sinless perfection in the flesh" one that some try to promote. This doctrine will upset the faith of the young Christian and really in the end promote turmoil in their minds and ship-wreck their faith.

This will also create a works-righteousness mindset instead of a faith-righteousness one that is completely fixed on Christ's completed work for the believer.

We will always have the flesh with us and anyone that says they never are "sinning" have a very low opinion of the holiness of God and are only thinking of the "biggie sins" which they don't do and not including things like outbursts of anger, malice, slandering others in the body of Christ, causing strife and divisions..etc.

Malice and slander and things like these ( Gal. 5:21 ) are just as destructive as living a homosexual lifestyle.

There is a difference between sin the noun and sinning the verb. Set free from sin does not mean set free from sinning entirely the rest of one's life as we still have this treasure in an earthen vessel.

Sin the noun has been quarantined in the flesh which is why the Holy Spirit circumcised our hearts ( where He lives and is joined as one in the spirit with us) from the body of flesh.

Romans chapter 6 and 7 uses the noun "sin" 48x times ( which speaks of the law of sin that is in our flesh ) and only once as the verb which is the action of "sinning".

Here is what Vine's describes this "law of sin" that is in the flesh - acting through the members of our body when we yield to it.

"a governing principle or power,e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power,acting through the members of the body, "

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.


The set free from sin (the noun ) is relating to not having to be subject anymore to the flesh because we have been sealed in our spirit in our inner man in Christ. - the new creation in Him.

The law of sin is in the flesh and will be there until we leave this earth. Romans 7:19-22. which is where we are not "in the flesh" as Paul says in Romans 8:9 : BUT "in the Spirit".

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands,inthe removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

Now we are to walk by the Spirit so that we will not fulfill the flesh to do "its" desires. Romans 6:13

As our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ and what He has already done for us - the Holy Spirit transforms us and we live a holier life. 2 Cor. 3:17-18.

This is all God's work but we participate in it with Him. Phil. 2:13 ( sometimes this is also called the saving of the soul which the mind is a part of )

 

[Zmouth]

We are not told anywhere in the bible to sin less or not to sin

Have you ever considered the following?

• Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48
• I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 5:32

​metanoia (met-an'-oy-ah); from NT:3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication reversal (of [another's] decision):NT:3341

• Sin no more?

Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.John 5:14

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John 8:11

It doesn't happen over night, that is why we are told to crucify the flesh where the sin nature exists.

Not sure your source, but changing the way one thinks can change their world in a blink of an eye.

Sin manifests in the spirit (conscious mind): Since the flesh is inanimate matter without the spirit then the flesh can do nothing of itself but it is the spirit within the flesh where sin originates.In short, sin originates with the corrupted thought process produced by the conscious mind (spirit).

10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Ps 51:10-12

Transgression manifests in the flesh: Your hands don't take things that don't belong to your unless you tell them to, your legs don't run into mischief unless you tell them to. Your flesh does not covet your neighbors goods, your conscious mind desires them.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Ezek 18:20