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brightfame52

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No verse says he died for the ' world of the elect ' . Your believing something that's man made. Jesus reconciled the world . Thats the message of reconciliation. Thats the good news . Unlike Calvinism I can sincerely share the bible with everyone telling them that Jesus has died for their sins . I don't need to guess or play ' lucky dip ' I don't have to say " Jesus might have died for you " .
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The verse means the world of the elect.
 
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He died to reconcile the world of His Elect, which is His Church, His Body. Its the World of His Elect that doesnt have its sins charged to it Thats who Paul is writing to in the corinth 1 Cor 1:1-2

Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

He calls them the chosen 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen,
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God didn't choose intellectualism , complicated rhetoric, The Gospel message is not 'noble ' its not ' mighty ' its a message of humility, submission, service, love, grace , subjection , humble to the point of death . Its a message that the weak , the downcast, the rejects, the sinners recognise but the 'mighty ' the proud, the rich despise. You miss the context
 
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No verse says he died for the ' world of the elect ' . Your believing something that's man made. Jesus reconciled the world . Thats the message of reconciliation. Thats the good news . Unlike Calvinism I can sincerely share the bible with everyone telling them that Jesus has died for their sins . I don't need to guess or play ' lucky dip ' I don't have to say " Jesus might have died for you " .
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Wonder if you tell an individual Christ died fr their sins, and Christ didn't die for their sins because they were not one of His Sheep. You told them a lie. He specifically said He died for the Sheep Jn 10:11,15
 
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There's two worlds, one which God doesnt impute its sins to them 2 Cor 5:19 and a world God that is condemnd for their sins charged to them.
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There is ONE world in 2 cor 5 that Jesus died for / reconciled. Its the same world that was ' while we were yet sinners , Christ died for '
 
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God didn't choose intellectualism , complicated rhetoric, The Gospel message is not 'noble ' its not ' mighty ' its a message of humility, submission, service, love, grace , subjection , humble to the point of death . Its a message that the weak , the downcast, the rejects, the sinners recognise but the 'mighty ' the proud, the rich despise. You miss the context
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The world Christ died for and reconciled was His Church, the Chosen Ones . See that world didnt have its sins charged to it 2 Cor 5:19
 
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brightfame52 said:
Wonder if you tell an individual Christ died fr their sins, and Christ didn't die for their sins because they were not one of His Sheep. You told them a lie. He specifically said He died for the Sheep Jn 10:11,15
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John 10 is referring to Jews ..the other ' fold being Jews also . Its not until Acts 11 is there a ministry to the Gentiles .
 
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throughfaith said:
There is ONE world in 2 cor 5 that Jesus died for / reconciled. Its the same world that was ' while we were yet sinners , Christ died for '
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Yes there is one world in 2 Cor 5:19, the One that didnt have its sins charged to it . Thats not the world of 1 Cor 11:32 though which is condemned.
 
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The world Christ died for and reconciled was His Church, the Chosen Ones . See that world didnt have its sins charged to it 2 Cor 5:19
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Doesn't say ' church ' or " elect ' in 2 cor 5 . So you believe something other than what the bible says. Why ?
 
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Jn 10 is referring to jew and gentile.
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Where does it SAY gentile. Notice again your believing something it doesn't say . I think we should make a list and see how many times you do this ?
 
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brightfame52 said:
The world Christ died for and reconciled was His Church, the Chosen Ones . See that world didnt have its sins charged to it 2 Cor 5:19
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Why don't you just go with what it says? Rather than leaning on what you believe? You can see that the ' world ' has been reconciled, but you change the meaning because it doesn't agree with your calvinism lol .
 
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Where does it SAY gentile. Notice again your believing something it doesn't say . I think we should make a list and see how many times you do this ?
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It doesnt have to say Gentile, there are Gentile Sheep however.
 
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Why don't you just go with what it says? Rather than leaning on what you believe? You can see that the ' world ' has been reconciled, but you change the meaning because it doesn't agree with your calvinism lol .
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I go with what it says and what it means. World in 2 Cor 5:19 is the Elect world that doesnt have its sins charged to it. There is another world that does have its sins charged to it and its condemned 1 Cor 11:32
 
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No it doesnt, it says world, which can mean and does mean the Elect. Jews and Gentiles who are Gods elect
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lol . Why doesn't it say ' reconciled only the ' elect ' ? is this too difficult? What if Jesus did reconcile the world ( as it actually does say ) what should it say ? Try think of what it should say to support what I'm saying .
 
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It doesnt have to say Gentile, there are Gentile Sheep however.
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Hmm like Paul is always talking about sheep?

Jesus however....
Matthew 10:6

“But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

He never said " pssst don't forget to go to those lost gentile sheep also " .
No it was not lawful .

Its not until Acts 11 is there a ' going to gentiles.. 10 years after Acts 2 .
 
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brightfame52 said:
I go with what it says
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wow.
um, no, you clearly don't.

the scripture says He tasted death for every man.
you say He did not.
Hebrews 2:9

when the scripture makes an unmistakable distinction between 'the world' and those who believe, you call believers 'the world'
1 John 2:2



why is this conversation even still going on??
 
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brightfame52 said:
I go with what it says and what it means. World in 2 Cor 5:19 is the Elect world that doesnt have its sins charged to it. There is another world that does have its sins charged to it and its condemned 1 Cor 11:32
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Let's see if you go with what it SAYS ?
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

By your logic , Jesus did not reconcile Paul and those at Corinth. Only ' The world ' and ' them ' ?
 
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