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yes, many here verify, if not you, maybe you aren't His yet
Granted many like this are well versed in scripture but their understanding of it may be limited because of this.
I mainly recieve visions I don't get dreams that often but when I do they are very profound
The issue with that being only for israel is that many have dreams and visions even now who are not Israel so if the prophecy was only to Israel then why do so many have this exact thing happen to them?
And what makes the word of God irrelevant to one but not to another if it is the word of God then it should be treated as such meaning it should not be a one sized fit for some and not so for others otherwise we can choose what part of his word we can apply as we see fit
This is how cherry picking happens if we consider the bible the sacred word of God then we should be able to use all of it and apply all of it not some here and not some there if it was only for a specific group of people then that makes the word of God not really his word to believers and the evidence of this prophecy not being just for Israel is already here I am not from Israel but I have many visions how do you explain that?
And what makes the word of God irrelevant to one but not to another if it is the word of God then it should be treated as such meaning it should not be a one sized fit for some and not so for others otherwise we can choose what part of his word we can apply as we see fit
This is how cherry picking happens if we consider the bible the sacred word of God then we should be able to use all of it and apply all of it not some here and not some there if it was only for a specific group of people then that makes the word of God not really his word to believers and the evidence of this prophecy not being just for Israel is already here I am not from Israel but I have many visions how do you explain that?
Well, our bible school teacher taught us not to argue about the question of echatologie.
According my understanding not all the word of god is for all people. So the specific prophecies which made for the nation of Israel are not for all mankind. I know that the pentecostal and also the charismatic doctrine uses Joel for to explain their view.
I see it difficult to interprete the bible in this way that it is supporting the individual view.
It is to distinguish to whom a text is given and for what purpose.
Solong the nation of Israel has not turned to christ. Joel's prophecie will not come. But it will be at the end of the tribulation time.
About dreams and visions. You may have dream and visions. Also people in cults and pagan religions have dreams and visions.
It is the question who is the Initiator of this dreams and visions. Is it God ore is this someone else.
According my understanding not all the word of god is for all people. So the specific prophecies which made for the nation of Israel are not for all mankind. I know that the pentecostal and also the charismatic doctrine uses Joel for to explain their view.
I see it difficult to interprete the bible in this way that it is supporting the individual view.
It is to distinguish to whom a text is given and for what purpose.
Solong the nation of Israel has not turned to christ. Joel's prophecie will not come. But it will be at the end of the tribulation time.
About dreams and visions. You may have dream and visions. Also people in cults and pagan religions have dreams and visions.
It is the question who is the Initiator of this dreams and visions. Is it God ore is this someone else.
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But lets say it is from God for instance I had a dream where I was in a pure white place and I was standing before Jesus as small as a child and he was just smiling at me not saying anything just smiling I have been asking him to see his smile just one more time a smile worth a thousand words as I put it this was an obvious answer to my prayers so while I mainly have visions when I do get a dream from him it is often times profound but if dreams and visions are for Israel and for the end times then why do I get them are we to assume it is not from God because it doesn't line up with that kind of understanding?
We can understand that what Peter referred to was for Israel simply because everyone he spoke to was Israel.
There was no understanding yet (at that moment Peter spoke) that Gentiles would be also joining them.
So? God gave Peter a message to Jews that Jews could verify from the Torah.
For that point in time? It seemed to the Jews it was business as usual...
grace and peace ........
Why? Because the first Church was Jewish!
The Church in Jerusalem!
Yet, its for all of us to learn about.
The Jews still had no idea that Gentiles were to be placed on equal footing with them for the Church age.
Remember?
Jesus was a rabbi?
Jesus always quoted the Torah?
When Satan tempted Jesus? Satan used the Torah ....
It took a while for everyone to catch on about the Gentiles.
In the beginning it was a "Jewish thing."
Now look at it.
You would never know!
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The Church in Jerusalem!
Yet, its for all of us to learn about.
The Jews still had no idea that Gentiles were to be placed on equal footing with them for the Church age.
Remember?
Jesus was a rabbi?
Jesus always quoted the Torah?
When Satan tempted Jesus? Satan used the Torah ....
It took a while for everyone to catch on about the Gentiles.
In the beginning it was a "Jewish thing."
Now look at it.
You would never know!
,,,,,