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rainacorn said:
It's not about the cigarettes themselves... it's about saying that even with God, you cannot stop doing something you know is bad for you.
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Even with God...Well, I'm assumming that your a believer, but I'm gonna also assume that you have struggles within your life, beit your attitude or ethic, its pretty safe to say that you have struggles like the rest of humanity... My question is: even with God how come you can't stop doing those certain things that you kno are bad for you and possibly displease Him?
 
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rainacorn

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CB said:
Even with God...Well, I'm assumming that your a believer, but I'm gonna also assume that you have struggles within your life, beit your attitude or ethic, its pretty safe to say that you have struggles like the rest of humanity... My question is: even with God how come you can't stop doing those certain things that you kno are bad for you and possibly displease Him?
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Because I'm an arrogant turd.
 
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hei i smoke like one or two cigarettes a day and never once thought it was a sin. some people just like to label everything they dislike as sins.
 
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rainacorn

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CB said:
Lol, fair enough...
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;)

I mean, it's totally true. However, I'm not arrogant enough to pretend my sins aren't really sins just because I like doing them.

The first step is admitting you have a problem lol
 
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CB

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rainacorn said:
;)

I mean, it's totally true. However, I'm not arrogant enough to pretend my sins aren't really sins just because I like doing them.

The first step is admitting you have a problem lol
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The first step would be also identifying something as sin... the use of tobacco isn't sin... the abuse of anything is sin, but it doesn't seem like that was what the original post was referencing?
 
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SantoSubito

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GloryBe said:
...or rather should I say.... And then there are all the cell phone users.... because these have been linked with brain cancer and yet everyone is still using them.
My point is that the biggest difference between smoking and many other things we do that are clearly harmful to us (and even dangerously so).... is that smoking is currently very publically and socially unacceptable .
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I have to agree with this. We didn't see this big Christian backlash against smoking until it became socially unacceptable. In the 1800's and up until the late 1950's or 60's, You would be lucky to even find a church that condemned tobacco use back then. Even well into the early 80's there wasn't any big Christian push against smoking. Basically when smoking was socially acceptable, not a sin, when it is socially unacceptable, it's a sin.
 
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rainacorn

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CB said:
The first step would be also identifying something as sin... the use of tobacco isn't sin... the abuse of anything is sin, but it doesn't seem like that was what the original post was referencing?
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So then smoking isn't a sin because people who are smokers aren't abusing cigarettes but rather using them exactly as they are intended?

^sounds sarcastic but isn't.
 
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CB

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rainacorn said:
So then smoking isn't a sin because people who are smokers aren't abusing cigarettes but rather using them exactly as they are intended?

^sounds sarcastic but isn't.
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Food isn't sin, but gluttony is. Alcohol isn't sin, but being a drunkard is. Moderation/Temperance my friend...
 
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rainacorn

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CB said:
Food isn't sin, but gluttony is. Alcohol isn't sin, but being a drunkard is. Moderation/Temperance my friend...
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Was that a yes or a no on the using cigarettes as they're intended question?
 
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GloryBe

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rainacorn said:
Was that a yes or a no on the using cigarettes as they're intended question?
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I think that by "abusing" cigarettes, it wasn't meant that they weren't being used as intended but rather than they were being used (abused) to satisfy a harmful craving of the flesh that makes one a slave to it.
 
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rainacorn

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GloryBe said:
I think that by "abusing" cigarettes, it wasn't meant that they weren't being used as intended but rather than they were being used (abused) to satisfy a harmful craving of the flesh that makes one a slave to it.
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How are they intended to be used though? Seems to me they are designed to be addictive.
 
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unclefester

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jonathanbchristian said:
Do you believe smoking tabacoo makes someone a sinner? The Bible doesn't mention it at all.
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No....I don't. Of course it's not the wisest thing to do....but neither is ingesting much of what we eat today. I recently listened to a medical program on radio where the resident doctor stated that it was proven that there are more carcinogens in everyday consumption margarine (hydrogenated oil) than there are in cigarettes. Who'd of thought ?
 
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rainacorn said:
How are they intended to be used though? Seems to me they are designed to be addictive.
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Well...technically they are designed to be enjoyed...but yes they are very addictive too. And while that doesn't mean that smoking a cigarette will get you hooked, it does mean that smoking them is pretty dumb if you want to avoid getting addicted. Dumb, but still not a sin in and of themselves.

I think this distinction is important and here's why. I grew up in a church that believed...

*it was a sin to let a boy kiss you....when in fact it wasn't but rather it was something that they knew could lead to sin.
*it was a sin to dance...when in fact it wasn't..but etc etc.
*it was a sin to go to movies...when in fact it wasn't unless you were watching sinful movies (and in fact was an attitude that handed the whole industry exclusively to the devil on a silver platter).

This difference is called legalism...and its an important difference for a number of reasons. One is learning where you need draw the line for yourself. Another is the tendency to throw out the good with the bad when you realize you were being lied to. And...most important of all...legalism is a sin. It was was the Pharisees did that Christ preached against.
 
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rainacorn

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I don't see dancing, kissing and going to the movies as being equivalent to smoking or partaking in other substances designed to be addicting.

I totally get that people are saying it isn't the object that is sinful. I, too, made that exact point. However, kissing, dancing and going to the movies are neither physically harmful nor addictive. Nicotine belongs in the same category as heroin or alcohol or cocaine... not making out.
 
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GloryBe

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rainacorn said:
I don't see dancing, kissing and going to the movies as being equivalent to smoking or partaking in other substances designed to be addicting.

I totally get that people are saying it isn't the object that is sinful. I, too, made that exact point. However, kissing, dancing and going to the movies are neither physically harmful nor addictive. Nicotine belongs in the same category as heroin or alcohol or cocaine... not making out.
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You have a good point...they are different.. even though if a person says cigarettes are sinful it is the same kind of lie....just more serious.
 
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Maddog

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The short answer (and honestly, that's all this needs)? No.

Smoking, in itself, is a morally neutral pleasure. I've got a fag in me chops right now as it happens.
 
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rainacorn

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Maddog said:
The short answer (and honestly, that's all this needs)? No.

Smoking, in itself, is a morally neutral pleasure. I've got a fag in me chops right now as it happens.
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Then can your opinion be trusted? You are addicted to nicotine. Saying this addiction is wrong would convict you.
 
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I would have to agree that smoking in and of itself isn't a sin. However, I have yet to eet a smoker who is not an addict!

Once addiction takes place then its sin. who controls you then? smokers need the fix. It ahs nothing to do with how secular society sees smoking, it is the addiction for the believer.
 
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Tearose84

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I am addicted to chocolate. I have to have it daily. But I am not too worried about it. without i I might go postal and kill someone. Now that would be a sin.
 
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