So...how old is the Earth?

Densetzu · Sep 14, 2009

Or it could just be that the Bible was not intended as a science manual. Not everything the Bible says is literally true--in fact the Bibles says many things that are clearly not literally true, and trying to take them as such requires you to believe in contradictory and untrue things.

Science has determined--to the best of its ability--that the earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old. Is this correct? Well we don't know for sure. Nobody but God was there. But it's the best guess we have at the moment.

Graybeard · Sep 14, 2009

pickles said:

Not naive at all pickles, it's like a dad making stuff in his workshop, he calls his kids to see what he has made, one kid looks briefly and says "wow, that's beautiful" then he goes thinking how great his dad is and what a wonderful thing he made.
another looks and is fascinated the way his dad made it and also says "wow, that's beautiful" then he goes thinking how great his dad is and what a wonderful thing he made, comes back later and starts examining it to see how it was made.
Are any of them wrong?...of course not, both love their dad but both have different interests
Their dad is not going to love either of them less nor is going to effect their relationship with their dad or each other

Slepsog4 · Sep 14, 2009

Everything that God addresses in His Word is TRUE. It does not matter the nature of the subject, God knows all.

Everything that science says is always tentative. It is open to adjustment because man cannot know all. Science operates on the assumption of uniformitarianism... all things continue as they always have. The Bible directly addresses this. God has stated what he did. We know how it all started.

God also chose to include chronology in the genealogy. Science chooses to ignore the divine statement of God about the creation week. The need LONG periods of time. Jesus turned water into wine instantaneously... a microcosm of the creative power of God. God created a full blown balanced fully functioning solar system, ecosystem, etc. The first day Adam sucked wind he was an adult. He likely appeared to be at least 20. But he was only a day old. The animals and plants, etc. all had the appearance of age. The stars were created to give light upon the earth immediately, regardless of how far they may be. God did not need time, it came built in.

Graybeard · Sep 14, 2009

Here is a mystery,

Genesis1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

He continued to create on the second day and the third day, now on the fourth day He created the sun, moon and stars...

Gen 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Gen 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
Gen 1:16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

now if the sun and moon where only created on the fourth day to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness, what was it that God spoke on the first day when He said "Let there be light"?. what ruled the night and day for day 1, 2 & 3?...who says those first three days time spans where the same as the days that the sun and moon where created?...after all, God is not governed by time.

Graybeard · Sep 14, 2009

Slepsog4 said:

How do you know the water was turned into wine in an instant?...how do you know that anything God created was in an instant?....I am NOT refuting it because if God wants to do something in an instant He can, just want to know what you base that knowledge on, I mean, how do you not know that maybe the water started to turn to wine while the servants where taking it to the master of the feast?.. not that it is relevant.

How do you know that Adam was an adult in his 20's the day he was created?
How do you know that all the animals and plants had the appearance of age when they where created?

Gen 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Does this mean that the whole heavens and earth where created in one day?...I think not

Slepsog4 · Sep 14, 2009

Graybeard,

Let's see... Adam was created as a MAN capable of procreation... not a boy or a child.
He was given freedom to eat of every tree. Only grown plants bear fruit.

Pour water into jar. Dip out a ladle and serve it. Great stuff. It did not take the entire time of processing to make the wine.

Gen 2:4 lacks the same details as the use of day in the earlier references which were numbered and delineated by evening and morning.

Densetzu · Sep 14, 2009

The point is, the first chapter of Genesis is a poem carefully constructed to convey a spiritual meaning. It was never meant to convey scientific facts, but to explain that God created the universe in an orderly, methodical fashion. The writer of the account couldn't possibly have seen creation as it happened, and thus wouldn't have known the literal process by which it took place.

And even if, one may assume, that God showed him a vision of it, he wouldn't understand it in the terms we use today; the sky is said to seperate water from water, corresponding to the ancient Middle Eastern belief that there was water above the heavens. Obviously the Genesis scribe wouldn't have understood outer space as we do it today, so he spoke in terms that he and his audience comprehended.

Slepsog4 · Sep 14, 2009

Densetzu,

There is no reason, other than prejudice, to suggest that Genesis 1 is a poem. It is the first section of a series of "beginnings". It is an historical narrative. It may not be written in the language of modern day western science, but that does not make it untrue.

The author of the passage was God Himself who inspired Moses to record it. I think God knew what he meant and meant what He had written.

You actually seem to think that man is his increasingly immoral state is smarter today than a holy man of God who was moved by the Spirit to pen this record.

The height of arrogance.

MahogonySnail · Sep 14, 2009

The bible says the world was created in 7 literal days. It does not say it is 6000 years old, that's man's assumption.

morgan2294 · Sep 14, 2009

Hi I'm Morgan and I'm 15. I can tell you this even before I start that I don't know everything. I'm sure my age tells you that. Sometimes I think I am wiserthan I actually am. So it's ok if you don't agree with me- just listen I guess.
Hey guys I just wanted to say something here. I don't think we can know how old the earth is exactly. Gods time is dfferent than ours, I believe. But I also think that this issue isn't as important as some may think. However old the earth is, I know that God created it- I don't know if that was in a literal 7 days or not- maybe that's not for us to know. And I'm fine if people have different opinions on this- because people will always think differently. Have different reasoning. The bible DOES say that GOD created the earth and I'm pretty sure that is what matters the most. When we get caught up on our own opinion on things like this and don't accept anyone elses, I think that can actually be prideful. But what I think is that- when you stand before God, is it going to really matter that you guessed right on how old the earth is?? I think other things will be more important. And I wonder a lot of stuff like this a lot so I can understand why u would want to try to figure this out.
I am so sorry ifthis doesn't makeany sense.

Graybeard · Sep 15, 2009

Slepsog4 said:

How do you know that when the Word refers to MAN that it means an adult? look at this verse for instance
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
does this mean He create two men?
Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
I would say the reference to "MAN" would mean mankind or human
We do not know the time span from when the trees where created to when they bore fruit. Why could nothing grow until the ground was watered? Gen 2:5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground;
You will also notice that the trees and plants where created before Man was created, makes sense to first grow food then create Man
Do you think Jesus did the miracle of turning water into wine in front of or right next to the master of the house? think about it, they where in another room so therefore time passed before the master of the house actually tasted the wine whether it be 1 minute or 5 min.

Graybeard · Sep 15, 2009

Densetzu said:

ah but that is just it, God said He would pour out His Spirit upon ALL flesh in the last days and that is why these findings are being revealed to us so that we may have understanding. Or do you think that He is poring out His Spirit on ALL flesh so that both the believer and unbeliever can talk in tongues?

Cup-of-Ruin · Sep 15, 2009

Densetzu said:

In fact the Bible is greatest science manual we have, do you think that God has no scientific knowledge of His own creation?

Yes it is. maybe you do not have the eyes to see it and the ears to hear it?

God's word is the basis for all truth.

You mean 'science falsely called'...The science that God has revealed to me by His word and what is clearly evident for me to see in His creation is that the earth is not 4.5 billion years old.

Actually the angels were there and every true Christian was there, present at the creation, it's just that God has placed a veil over our past before we were born, many of the prophets beheld creation in it's first stages as God brought back memories thereof. When we are resurrected unto eternity after Judgement Christians will be able to be one with their eternal past with God as well as their eternal future as the adopted children of the Living God.

stillearning · Sep 15, 2009

ChapterVerse Number

Verse

TotalGenealogy of Adam's Descendants through JacobGenesis 11In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.027 31
So God created man (Adam) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.Genesis 53And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth...1306And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos...2359And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan...32512And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel...39515And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared...46018And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch...62221And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah...68725And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech...87428
29And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
And he called his name Noah...105632And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth...1556Genesis 1110...Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood.165612And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah 169114And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber172116And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg 175518And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu 178520And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug 181722And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor 184724And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah 187626 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram [who became Abraham; Genesis 17: 5], Nahor, and Haran 1946Genesis 215And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him.2046Genesis 2526...and [Isaac's son's] name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old [sixty] when she bare them. 2106Note: Genesis 3228And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel:
for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Israel Begins time in EgyptGenesis 478-11And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou? And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage. And Jacob blessed Pharaoh, and went out from before Pharaoh. And Joseph placed his father and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.2236Israel Leaves EgyptExodus 1240 41
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.
And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. 2666The Reign of the Kings of IsraelSolomon's begins reign Four Hundred and seventy-six years after the exodus3142I Kings 61And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel...I Kings 1142
43And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.
And Solomon slept with his fathers... and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.3182I Kings 1421 And Rehoboam the son of Solomon reigned in Judah. Rehoboam was forty and one years old when he began to reign, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem...319931And Rehoboam slept with his fathers... And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.3202I Kings 151
2Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah.
Three years reigned he in Jerusalem...8
10And Abijam slept with his fathers... and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
And forty and one years reigned he in Jerusalem... 324324And Asa slept with his fathers... and Jehoshaphat his son reigned in his stead.3268I Kings 2242...and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. II Kings 816
17 And in the fifth year of Joram... Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah began to reign.
...and he reigned eight years in Jerusalem.3276 25
26In the twelfth year of Joram... did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign.
...and he reigned one year in Jerusalem.3277II Kings 9-11 Jehu Usurps throne- becomes the one ruler of Israel and Judah for seven years; see detail below3284II Kings 121In the seventh year of Jehu Jehoash [aka Joash- read chapters 12-14] began to reign; and forty years reigned he in Jerusalem.3324II Kings 141 2
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In the second year of Joash son of Jehoahaz king of Israel [Different than Joash, King of Judah] reigned Amaziah the son of Joash [Jehoash] king of Judah.
He was twenty and five years old when he began to reign, and reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem.
...and he was buried at Jerusalem with his fathers in the city of David.
And all the people of Judah took Azariah [aka Uzziah], which was sixteen years old, and made him king instead of his father Amaziah.3353II Kings 152 7
Sixteen years old was he when he began to reign, and he reigned two and fifty years in Jerusalem.
So Azariah slept with his fathers... and Jotham his son reigned in his stead.340532
33
38In the second year of Pekah... began Jotham the son of Uzziah king of Judah to reign.
...and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem.
And Jotham slept with his fathers... and Ahaz his son reigned in his stead.3421I Kings 162 20
Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem...
And Ahaz slept with his fathers... and Hezekiah his son reigned in his stead.3437II Kings 181
2Now it came to pass... that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.
...and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem.3466II Kings 2021And Hezekiah slept with his fathers: and Manasseh his son reigned in his stead.II Kings 211 18
Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and reigned fifty and five years in Jerusalem.
And Manasseh slept with his fathers... and Amon his son reigned in his stead.352119 23
26
Amon was twenty and two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned two years in Jerusalem.
And the servants of Amon conspired against him, and slew the king in his own house.
...and Josiah his son reigned in his stead.3523II Kings 2329-31 33-34
In his days Pharaoh-nechoh king of Egypt went up against the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates: and king Josiah went against him...
And his servants carried him in a chariot dead from Megiddo... And the people of the land took Jehoahaz the son of Josiah, and anointed him, and made him king in his father's stead. Jehoahaz was twenty and three years old when he began to reign; and he reigned three months in Jerusalem. And Pharaoh-nechoh put him in bands at Riblah in the land of Hamath, that he might not reign in Jerusalem... And Pharaoh-nechoh made Eliakim the son of Josiah king in the room of Josiah his father, and turned his name to Jehoiakim, and took Jehoahaz away: and he came to Egypt, and died there.36Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. 3533II Kings 246So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.8Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.End of the Reign of the Kings of Israel27And it came to pass in the seven and thirtieth year of the captivity of Jehoiachin king of Judah, in the twelfth month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, that Evil-merodach king of Babylon in the year that he began to reign did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah out of prison; 28: And he spake kindly to him, and set his throne above the throne of the kings that were with him in Babylon; 29: And changed his prison garments: and he did eat bread continually before him all the days of his life. 30: And his allowance was a continual allowance given him of the king, a daily rate for every day, all the days of his life.3570Time span between the end of the reign of the Kings until Christ [see supporting detail] End of exact figuresMatthew 117So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. [+/- 430 years]4000Christ is bornAs of this table's creation, it is the year 2009Anno Domini6010

stillearning · Sep 15, 2009

so the answer would be 6010

Graybeard · Sep 15, 2009

stillearning said:

convincing but the thing is, years in those days where different to the years of today where they not?...I mean was not the calendar as we know it done but a few centuries ago and has changed somewhat from when it was first introduced? at least that is my understanding

Cup-of-Ruin · Sep 15, 2009

stillearning said:

Greetings,

There is another chronology - the Septuagint chronology, you might want to have a look at it.

Cup-of-Ruin · Sep 15, 2009

As when the Bible says that the heavens were 'stretched' out, this certainly indicates a young universe and I believe that the latest astronomical evidence is suggesting that indeed the stars and star light were created quite close to the earth and then pulled back and this is why we see evidence of expansion in the universe, being that the earth was in fact the centre and the heavens were 'stretched back from it. So when we see starlight we are seeing a trailing starlight, like the tail lights of a car that drive off into the distance. Astronomers have argued against the Bible on the basis of the great distance that star light is travelling to reach the earth, but if they actually read the Bible, they would understand that the physical evidence agrees with the Biblical record.

MahogonySnail · Sep 15, 2009

and the gaps in the genealogical records of the bible even force some young earthers to push that 6000 figure out to 10,000.

Graybeard · Sep 15, 2009

Cup-of-Ruin said:

exactly, most scientists do not even know or acknowledge that the evidence they have taken years to find and can now prove, confirms what is written in The Word! for example there are verses that indicate that the stars and all creation sing unto the Lord...
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together......

Psa 148:1 Praise the LORD! Praise the LORD from the heavens; Praise Him in the heights!
Psa 148:2 Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His hosts!
Psa 148:3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all you stars of light!
Psa 148:4 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!
Psa 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created.

Scientists now have discovered that each star actually omits a sound and they don't know why!

So...how old is the Earth?

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