So what about the fourth commandment?

[posthuman]

“and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
(Romans 11:27)
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please read that again

“and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
(Romans 11:27)
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please, again

“and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
(Romans 11:27)
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once more, please

“and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
(Romans 11:27)
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who is it that makes the covenant?
who is it that takes the sin away?
who is it that sanctifies?
who is it that foreknows?
who is it that predestines?
who is it that calls?
who is it that justifies?
who is it that glorifies?
who is it that saves! redeems! delivers!

((hint: "me" is not the answer to even one of those questions))

 

[posthuman]

This saturday sabbath thing is kind of the most ironic thing about judaizers and legalists.

They place the emphasis on the wrong thing. On what their carnal mind and carnal strength can achieve.

Its me. Its me. I keep the sabbath. I keep the 4th commandment.

yep.

In all this the law has not changed. The only things that has changed is that now there are people who actually obey it.

they're even so bold to think,
"I'm doing it even better than the Pharisees. better than any actual Jews ever did"
"I'm just as righteous as Jesus"
"thank God I am not like other men!"

 

[disciplemike]

oddly enough, there was a 7th day Sabbath long before Judah or Judaizers existed. Seems like I read about it early on in Genesis.

 

[posthuman]

oddly enough, there was a 7th day Sabbath long before Judah or Judaizers existed. Seems like I read about it early on in Genesis.

what does scripture record Jesus doing differently on 7th days than what He did on other days?

what did the Levites serving in the temple do differently on the 7th day than they did on other days?

 

[disciplemike]

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.
Luke 4:16 (ESV2011)

 

[posthuman]

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.
Luke 4:16 (ESV2011)

Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them.
(Matthew 5:1-2)
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He did not only teach on the 7th day.

got anything else?

and what about the Levite?
all day, every day: ceremonially cleanse yourself. offer sacrifices. proclaim the Law to the people. cleanse yourself ceremonially. offer more sacrifices. worship God! ceremonially cleanse yourself and others. offer more sacrifices.

 

[disciplemike]

And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 17:2 (ESV2011)

Psssst. Paul was not reading out of the book of john either.

 

[Grace777x70]

Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them.
(Matthew 5:1-2)
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He did not only teach on the 7th day.

got anything else?

and what about the Levite?
all day, every day: ceremonially cleanse yourself. offer sacrifices. proclaim the Law to the people. cleanse yourself ceremonially. offer more sacrifices. worship God! ceremonially cleanse yourself and others. offer more sacrifices.

Amen...the reason Jesus went to the synagogue to preach because He was born under the law to redeem those that were under the Law. That was the meeting place for the Jews in that day.

Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

We are now free from the Law to be sons of God and walk in the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The Law was just a mere shadow of the substance which is Christ and He is in us now by the Holy Spirit. He directs our life as children of God.


Paul when he went to talk to the Jewish people went to the synagogue but usually got booted out and so then he would preach everywhere. He went to the synagogue to talk with the Jews there about Christ - not because he was trying to keep the Law.

Paul used the OT scriptures to reveal Jesus. Jesus didn't come to reveal the Law to people but He came to reveal the Father and Himself to us.

 

[posthuman]

haven't you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent?
(Matthew 12:5)

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
(1 Peter 2:9)
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if under this new covenant that the Lord has made with me, i have been made a priest of the most High God -- and i am -- then what is it to you if i consider each day alike, since this is what the Levite serving in the temple also did under the old covenant?

Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (upon which basis the people received the Law), why was there still a need for another priest to appear — one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron?
For when the priesthood is changed, the Law must be changed as well.
(Hebrews 7:11-12)
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but it seems to me like the assumption is made that anyone who does not think they are under the old covenant ((which has passed away)) hates the law of God and does not keep it.
that is false.
that is a covenant that i was never brought under.
if the covenant of ethnic Israel through Moses is the covenant that we must be brought into, then Christ died for nothing, and Christ is illegitimate: because Christ is not a Levite.

 

[disciplemike]

In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah.
And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth
.And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
Luke 1:5-6 (ESV2011)

 

[posthuman]

Paul when he went to talk to the Jewish people went to the synagogue but usually got booted out and so then he would preach everywhere. He went to the synagogue to talk with the Jews there about Christ - not because he was trying to keep the Law.

Paul went to the synagogue on the sabbath days because that's where the people he wanted to talk to were.

when Jesus saw the crowds, He taught them. where were the crowds in Judea on sabbath days?

and yes, He was born under the Law, in order to redeem those under the Law. but i was never born under the Law - a Gentile, and then made spiritually a son of Abraham by faith. and everyone who has been born again in Him, is not born under the Law. when Christ was raised, was He under the Law?
i rather believe He left that nailed to the cross. and that certainly does not mean that He no longer has righteousness or that the righteousness of every feast and every ritual and every ceremony and holy day is not found in Him!

all these things, this righteousness and holiness, are found in me only as i have been found in Him. not when i observe them as under the covenant with ethnic Israel, brought out of Egypt.

they are not bad things. the Law is perfect.
the issue is thinking that they are the way to be righteous: they are not. they point to righteousness. the only way to be righteous is Christ

 

[Grace777x70]

Isaiah 64:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 3:21-24 (NASB)

[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

[SUP]24 [/SUP] being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

 

[posthuman]

In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah.
And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth
.And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
Luke 1:5-6 (ESV2011)

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
(Matthew 5:20) ​

 

[disciplemike]

In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah.
And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth
.And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
Luke 1:5-6 (ESV2011)

 

[posthuman]

In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah.
And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth
.And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
Luke 1:5-6 (ESV2011)

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
(Matthew 5:20)​

 

[posthuman]

mike, why do you think Paul calls the kind of righteousness that comes from following the law "dung" ?
he was a pharisee, and also walked blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the law.

but he said he counts that as dung compared to being found in Him, attaining the righteousness that is by faith.
literally, "dung" ((re: Philippians 3:1-11))
that's scripture.

why would a guy say something like that? a guy who has every respect for the scripture and the Law?

 

[posthuman]

why would a guy say something like that? a guy who has every respect for the scripture and the Law?

you think maybe it has something to do with Matthew 5:20 ?

 

[disciplemike]

Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7 (ESV2011) (new testament!)

 

[posthuman]

Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7 (ESV2011) (new testament!)

what do you think,
that because i understand that Jah has made a new covenant with His people - by sending His Son to become flesh, and to take on all the condemnation of sin, so that the Law could be satisfied in everyone who puts their trust in Him, and that sin could be removed from us and through His resurrection we could be made into a new creation washed white as snow by His own blood --

you think that because God has been so gracious to me, and i believe Him, that i refuse to practice righteousness? or that i don't even want to?

 

[posthuman]

Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7 (ESV2011) (new testament!)

don't be deceived: the righteousness that is required by God is not that righteousness that is by works -- it is the righteousness that is by faith.
don't be deceived: you will never enter the kingdom of God unless your righteousness is greater than the righteousness of those who walk blamelessly in every commandment and keep every feast and day of the Mosaic covenant.

you are not saved by your filthy rags, or by producing more filthy rags. you can only be saved by the Mercy of God, and all who are born of Him walk after Him.

don't be deceived: there is exactly one way to Salvation: faith in Jesus Christ & His finished work.
don't be deceived: the work of God is to produce righteousness in you by conforming you to His image. that's His work, not yours.