sola scriptura

[Nehemiah6]

Sola Scriptura is the teaching that the Scriptures contain all that is necessary for salvation and proper living before God. Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures--the Old and New Testaments (excluding the Catholic Apocrypha)--are the final authority in all that they address (1 Cor. 4:6) and that tradition, even so-called Sacred Tradition, is judged by Scriptures.

1. This is correct, and believed by all genuine Christians, whether Protestant or not.

2. Only the 66 books of the Bible are regarded as Scripture.

3. The reference to Scripture in 2 Tim 3:16 is to BOTH the Old and New Testaments. At the time this epistle was written, the majority of the New Testament books were already in circulation, and Paul could prophetically see the completion of the Scriptures within the next two decades.

4. This doctrine is contested by both Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, since they rely heavily on "Holy Tradition" for many of their teachings.

5. Even the Reformers, who believed this doctrine, could not totally discard their Roman Catholic baggage, and failed to closely examine Augustine's unscriptural teachings about many things.

 

[mailmandan]

Why are you the only one of us having some website link in your signature?

You follow many men. You are just not honest about it.

You hit the nail on the head!

 

[LoveGodForever]

You hit the nail on the head!

And yet none of you can show me scripture to support your catholic tradition . If you cannot, then you are not really Sola Scriptura you are Catholic.

 

[Nehemiah6]

And yet none of you can show me scripture to support your catholic tradition . If you cannot, then you are not really Sola Scriptura you are Catholic.

If you are referring to the Lord's Day as the Christian sabbath, then it is embedded in the New Testament. So it is not really a Catholic tradition, although the traditionalist churches such as the RCC and EOC also believe that the first day of the week is the day for Christians to rest and worship.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

If you wish to have two days for rest and worship, no one will object in the least.

 

[Shamah]

If you are referring to the Lord's Day as the Christian sabbath, then it is embedded in the New Testament. So it is not really a Catholic tradition, although the traditionalist churches such as the RCC and EOC also believe that the first day of the week is the day for Christians to rest and worship.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

If you wish to have two days for rest and worship, no one will object in the least.

Where does Rev 1:10 say Sunday? Why not tuesday, or wednesday?

Revelation 1:9-10, “I, Yoḥanan, both your brother and co-sharer in pressure, and in the reign and endurance of יהושע Messiah, came to be on the island that is called Patmos for the Word of יהוה and for the witness of יהושע Messiah. I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet*.”



Revelation 1:10-11, "1:10, "I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה,a and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, (Isa 13:6, Isa 13:9, Eze 13:5, Joe 1:15, Joe 2:1, Joe 2:11 Joe 2:31, Joe 3:14, Amo 5:16-20, Oba 1:15, Zep 1:7, Zep 1:14, Mal 4:5, Act 2:20, 1Th 5:2, 2Th 2:2, 2Pe 3:10) saying, “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the First and the Last,” and, “Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven assemblies of Asia – to Ephesos, and to Smurna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodikeia.”


Revelation 4:1-3, “After this I looked and saw a door having been opened in the heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here and I shall show you what has to take place after this. And immediately I came to be in the Spirit and saw a throne set in the heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a ruby stone in appearance. And there was a rainbow around the throne, like an emerald in appearance.”


So we see John is “in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה” and hears “a loud voice, as of a trumpet” No distinction is made that the “the Day of יהוה” is a particular day of the week, as “the Day of יהוה” is the time of YHWH’s wrath upon the earth and it inhabitants that remain after the tribulation. When John hears “a loud voice, as of a trumpet” it is the trumpets of Revelation, we can see in Revelation 8:5, “the messenger took the censer, and filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth” This is the same event in Malachi 4:1, "“For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” Called in Malachi 4:5, “...the great and awesome day of יהוה."4:6,..” We will see this event told by nearly all the prophets as “the Day of יהוה” and there is not a single time in Scripture that “the Day of יהוה” is called Sunday or any day of the week. Now people try to circumvent this fact by saying there is a difference between “the Day of יהוה” and “יהוה Day” or “the Day of the Lord” and “the Lord’s Day.” Still nowhere in Scripture is “the Lord’s Day” called Sunday or any day of the week.

Funnny this is about Scripture only in this thread yet nowhere in the Scripture is Sunday called "the Lord's Day" or "the day of the Lord".....................

 

[LoveGodForever]

If you are referring to the Lord's Day as the Christian sabbath, then it is embedded in the New Testament. So it is not really a Catholic tradition, although the traditionalist churches such as the RCC and EOC also believe that the first day of the week is the day for Christians to rest and worship.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

If you wish to have two days for rest and worship, no one will object in the least.

Hi Nehemiah6 nice to see you. Where does it say in Sola Scritura that Sunday is the Lord's day?

Which day is the Lord's day? No need to guess. The scriptures make it very clear.

Matthew 12:8
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day

Which day is the Sabbath day?

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY

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Now, where in the Sola Scriptura does it say that the "LORD'S DAY" is referring to Sunday?

Actually, there is no scripture. You cannot prove something that is not there. There is NO scripture that says the "LORD'S DAY" is referring to Sunday. There is only scripture that says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day.

The "LORD'S DAY" = The SABBATH DAY = The SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK (Matthew 12:8; Ex 20:8-11)

Many keep SUNDAY because they have been taught to do so from Church tradition handed down from the Roman Catholic Church and not from the Word of God.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[trofimus]

And yet none of you can show me scripture to support your catholic tradition . If you cannot, then you are not really Sola Scriptura you are Catholic.

One thing is to show you Scriptures as we did manytimes and another thing is your acceptance of them.

Thats why your thread about Sabbath has 6,300 posts!

No need to repeat everything in another thread. Leave your agenda in that thread and try to get involved in other topics as well. If you are unable to do that, you prove that you have just one agenda and no discussion with you is useful.

 

[LoveGodForever]

One thing is to show you Scriptures as we did manytimes and another thing is your acceptance of them.Thats why your thread about Sabbath has 6,300 posts!
No need to repeat everything in another thread. Leave your agenda in that thread and try to get involved in other topics as well. If you are unable to do that, you prove that you have just one agenda and no discussion with you is useful.

Not really, the thread is there for all to see God's Word. There is no agenda only that all should seek and follow Jesus through His Word. Only God's Word is true and this is where we should point all. Because it is only in the Word of God anyone can find him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[trofimus]

Not really, the thread is there for all to see God's Word. There is no agenda only that all should seek and follow Jesus through His Word. Only God's Word is true and this is where we should point all. Because it is only in the Word of God anyone can find him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Congrats, you have destroyed this thread. You can sleep well today.

 

[DJ2]

Yet you have not. These scriptures disagree with your catholic interpretation. (Linked CLICK me)

Disagree with the scriptures presented in the link? Please address the scritpures that disagree with you. Sola Scriptura right?

You still have not answered the earlier question from scripture on page one I sent you.

Please feel free to show us from the Scriptures........

1. That God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

If your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow is the way?

SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Now do you really BELIEVE in Sola Scriptura or follow the Catholic tradition?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God's Sheep hear his Voice.

Not sure if this question has been asked but who's Saturday do you accept as the Sabbath, the Gregorian Calendar, Julian Calendar or Hebrew Calendar?

 

[MarcR]

"Catholic Apocrypha" is a contradiction. Either its catholic (used by majority) or apocrypha (hidden from the majority).

The rest seems OK to me. I would just add that Bible is not supposed to stay alone, but is a part of broader Church teachings.

"Sola scriptura (Latin: by Scripture alone) is a theological doctrine held by some Christian denominations that the Christian Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice.

The Scriptures' meaning is mediated through many kinds of secondary authority, such as the ordinary teaching offices of the Church, the ecumenical creeds, the councils of the Christian Church, and so on. However, sola scriptura rejects any original infallible authority other than the Bible."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

Trofimus,

catholic means universal and Catholic means pertaining to the Roman Catholic Church, which IMO is NOT a true church.

It is important to recognize catholic and Catholic as two different words with distinct meanings.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Not sure if this question has been asked but who's Saturday do you accept as the Sabbath, the Gregorian Calendar, Julian Calendar or Hebrew Calendar?

Hi D12, the Calanders only really effect how many days are in the months and years. They do not effect how many days are in the week which means the Sabbath is not effected.

 

[trofimus]

Trofimus,

catholic means universal and Catholic means pertaining to the Roman Catholic Church, which IMO is NOT a true church.

It is important to recognize catholic and Catholic as two different words with distinct meanings.

You are right, but in this context its the same thing.

RCC "apocrypha" are not "apocrypha" because these books have been known to catholic (common) church and used by all for 2000 years.

If we want to call some books apocrypha, the Gospel of Thomas would be a good example. Not used in churches, lost and discovered again in a poor shape last century.

 

[RexCA]

My thoughts on "sola scriptura" it is based on circular reasoning and it is a false notion. The fact of the matter is not only is it never in scripture(which is an irony you would think the scriptures themselves would teach us they are the only authority) but it is never indirectly mentioned it goes against many concepts taught in both the Old and New Testaments as well as the view of historical Christianity. The fact of the matter is that every single historical schismatic or heretic within Christian history from Arius to Nestorius to Charles Taze Russell among thousands of others all shared one trait in common. They all claimed that they're views could be found within the scriptures if read in context the problem being these people all dismissed the sacred traditions as well as the visible church as a means to defend they're own position history raises the question as to why is Luther any different. The answer is he isn't to say Protestantism is valid because it takes a Trinitarian view while the others didn't is incorrect Nestorius has a Trinitarian view as did many others not mentioned. It also raises the question as to how one would know if they're interpretation of scripture is valid if they have no visible religious entity to measure they're views against.

The fact of the matter is that such reasoning is circular and brings Christianity down to the level of relativism or to be clearer agnosticism.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Congrats, you have destroyed this thread. You can sleep well today.

Hi trof, this is not my purpose only to point all to Jesus who is the Word of God (Sola Scriptrua) so we all can be ready for his return.

Everything I have posted is on topic. Jesus is not willing for any to persih and all to worship him in Spirit and in truth and to come out from following the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church that lead us away from Jesus.

 

[Depleted]

Trofimus,

catholic means universal and Catholic means pertaining to the Roman Catholic Church, which IMO is NOT a true church.

It is important to recognize catholic and Catholic as two different words with distinct meanings.

Hate to muddy the water more, because you're pretty right-on for our western thinking, but Trof is in Eastern Europe, a place where Eastern Orthodox Catholic comes into his picture too. So there is catholic, RCC, and EO, (the denomination I know very little about.)

 

[trofimus]

Hate to muddy the water more, because you're pretty right-on for our western thinking, but Trof is in Eastern Europe, a place where Eastern Orthodox Catholic comes into his picture too. So there is catholic, RCC, and EO, (the denomination I know very little about.)

Deuterocanonical books have been continuously used by all churches, including protestants.

So they cannot be called "apocrypha", regardles of our location...

Apocrypha means "hidden" in Greek.

 

[Depleted]

My thoughts on "sola scriptura" it is based on circular reasoning and it is a false notion. The fact of the matter is not only is it never in scripture(which is an irony you would think the scriptures themselves would teach us they are the only authority) but it is never indirectly mentioned it goes against many concepts taught in both the Old and New Testaments as well as the view of historical Christianity. The fact of the matter is that every single historical schismatic or heretic within Christian history from Arius to Nestorius to Charles Taze Russell among thousands of others all shared one trait in common. They all claimed that they're views could be found within the scriptures if read in context the problem being these people all dismissed the sacred traditions as well as the visible church as a means to defend they're own position history raises the question as to why is Luther any different. The answer is he isn't to say Protestantism is valid because it takes a Trinitarian view while the others didn't is incorrect Nestorius has a Trinitarian view as did many others not mentioned. It also raises the question as to how one would know if they're interpretation of scripture is valid if they have no visible religious entity to measure they're views against.

The fact of the matter is that such reasoning is circular and brings Christianity down to the level of relativism or to be clearer agnosticism.

Yeah, let's bring more of your RCC misconceptions into yet another thread. I already gave a link to the concept of the phrase on the second page of this thread. Before you teach, how about learn first? When you get what it means, if you still disagree, then please feel free to talk a lot about why.

I can just as easily go on and on about quantum physics like you go on and on about different things regarding Reformed teaching, and I would look just as bad because I don't know quantum physics from alpha centura. (Alpha Centura? A different galaxy? A star cluster? Something out in space, but I honestly don't know what, unless I go learn what.)

 

[graceNpeace]

lovegodforever commenting and criticising a post on sola scriptura!
What a supreme irony...

A man devoted to the SDA church and who holds to the heretical writings of Ellen G. White as supreme authority over and above the Bible (just go and read the drivel on his website) seeks to lecture and harangue Protestants over a YouTube video of Catholic clergy making dubious claims about the Sabbath!

Works well as sick humour....but only sick humour!

 

[RexCA]

Yeah, let's bring more of your RCC misconceptions into yet another thread. I already gave a link to the concept of the phrase on the second page of this thread. Before you teach, how about learn first? When you get what it means, if you still disagree, then please feel free to talk a lot about why.

I can just as easily go on and on about quantum physics like you go on and on about different things regarding Reformed teaching, and I would look just as bad because I don't know quantum physics from alpha centura. (Alpha Centura? A different galaxy? A star cluster? Something out in space, but I honestly don't know what, unless I go learn what.)

You did no such thing you made the claim that I was "spewing garbage and spreading falsehoods about the reformation" however the question remains seeing how you failed to give reason behind your claim as to why you would find Protestantism to be valid without appealing to your own "authority" on the scriptures. By reason I mean historical and logical if you cannot do such a thing fair enough but do not accuse me of "spewing garbage" merely because we disagree when you cannot give reason for your claims and you persist in circular reason. Have a nice day