Some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God

[garee]

I'm posting this for the benefit of those who really want to know the truth about this scripture, which is continually being misinterpreted.

The Preterists/Amillennialis would have the rest of us believe that by Jesus saying "some who are standing here will not taste of death before they see the kingdom of God," that He is saying that some who were standing would still be alive when Jesus returned to end the age, using it as a proof that He had to have already returned.

The idea that some would still be alive when Jesus returned to the end was a oral tradition as a lie that Peter made up

We who have ben delivered from death to new spirit life. We walk by the faith of God the unseen. They heard the gospel and believed as seeing with the eyes of their heart. The verse is simply saying having been delivered from eternal death to eternal life before they literally died. Salvation. The kingdom of God will never come by what the eyes see .Christ will come on the last day like a thief in the night. Just as with Noah and a different ending .This present heaven and earth will go up in smoke.

The error in their interpretation, (besides being stubborn and not willing to listen to the truth), is two fold.

1). The identity of "some who are standing here."

LOL Yes stubborn as Balaam's ass who restrained the madness of that false prophet..

The some are those who have been delivered from eternal death to eternal life. They mix faith in what they do hear and see and not look to the literal interpretation as if the kingdom of God could ever come by observation, and not faith..

2). The kingdom of God (Number 2 is stated three different ways, which I am listing below

Matt.16:28 - Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Mark 9:1 - Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.
Luke 9:27 - But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

All of that seeing is a result of walking by faith the eternal not by sight the temporal

As previously stated, the preterists/amills interpret that which is highlighted in red above to mean that Jesus was talking about when He returns to the earth to end the age. So, let's look at another scripture which uses the same wording:

"But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. (Matt.12:8)

We are the temple of God who lives and reigns in us with us. We have been reigning with Christ over two thousand literal years .

Then in the beginning of v.28 it says, "about eight days after Jesus said these things" which links what Jesus said in V.27 with the following information found in V.28-31, which is also the fulfillment of what He said in v.27.

"He took with them Peter, John, and James and went upon a high mountain to pray." Peter, John and James is the identity of those Jesus was referring to when He said, "some who are standing here will not taste of death."

Then in v.29 it states that while Jesus was praying, the appearance of His face changed (brighter than the sun) and His clothes became radiantly white. This change in His appearance then is the fulfillment of some standing there (Peter, John and James) seeing the kingdom of God, i.e. seeing Jesus in His glorified state.

Therefore, the words, "seeing the kingdom of God" or "seeing the Son of Man coming in His kingdom" has nothing to do with Jesus returning at the end of the age before those standing there had died. What it does have to do with, is Peter, John and James seeing Jesus in His glorified state, which is referring to the kingdom of God coming with power.

God is not a man as us when he left he informed us although some of the faithless ones did know him according to human appearance from that time on we know him no more. God is supernatural Spirit without nature, a beginning.

The end of the age, i.e. when Jesus returns to the earth and sends out of His angels (Matt.24:30-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21) is still to come, but can only take place until after the church has been removed and God's wrath has been poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

It takes place on the last day, same day as judgment for those who will face the second death as at the same twinkling of the eye the Church receives her new incorruptible body . There will be no disappearing act as some say occurs in Revelation. Its not now you see Christians, now you do not, and again you do.. The church from the beginning never disappears.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The phrase last day or last time works the best for trying to reconcile the end time parables.

John 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up "again" at the last day.

John 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Note.... (purple in parenthesis) my added comment

John 11:24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again (the second ressurection) in the resurrection at the last day.

 

[garee]

Interpretation of scripture IS debatable - it has been since it was penned.

And specifically the portions regarding "some here will not taste of death" and the "companion" verses that Christ spoke to the Sanhedrin:

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How can the council "see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" if some of them would not be alive to see Him?

Mathew 26:64 is talking about seeing by faith through the eyes of our new heart. We do not walk or understand the things of God not seen by sight as if the kingdom of God could be of this corrupted creation.

God is not a man as us never could be. He is God as the spirit essence of life like no other.

When the Son of man Jesus who was clothed in temporal flesh of men in order to fulfill the demonstration of the promised work of pouring out His unseen Spirit. He informs us that even though a few did know him after the flesh which he established "profits for nothing" seeing it is the unseen work of the Spirit that alone could profit. We are not to look for a fleshly Jesus as if God was a man as us to begin with. God has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16

 

[KnowMe]

What about at the cross, when the thief asked Jesus to remember him when He comes back with His kingdom?

I think he said today to the man.

 

[Ahwatukee]

My dear brother you have a bone to pick but it's doctrine vs doctrine. When you talk about truth and Christ is not the center of discussion there is no truth, Christ is the truth not my interpretation. Not to nit pick but that is what I get from looking at the arguement. There is no, I'm right their wrong, come on are you serious, valid points must be handled as Jesus on all sides.

Then you have missed the point! Because everything that I post is Christ centered. It is after all, His word that I am contending for. There is no room to entertain the idea that Jesus has already returned to end the age. There has been no fulfillment of Matt.24:30-31. These are false teachings, period! This wishy washy attitude is the problem within Christianity today.

Therefore, it is not "I'm right, their wrong" but what God's word says, which is what I am conveying.

Prophecy = There be some standing here who will not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom

Fulfillment = About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took with Him Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white.

 

[Noose]

I think he said today to the man.

Here's what the man said:

Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

My point is, at that moment, the kingdom was not yet.

 

[SIMON55]

Interpretation of scripture IS debatable - it has been since it was penned.

And specifically the portions regarding "some here will not taste of death" and the "companion" verses that Christ spoke to the Sanhedrin:

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How can the council "see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" if some of them would not be alive to see Him?

The problem you get into with all of the verses that have....
clouds......
( crowds, glory )
air
Wind
Ruach
Holy Spirit
Breath of life
etc etc etc
debates over the translations have been going on forever...
Because God and his or the Holy Spirit have been coming by and working by and through the clouds and the winds forever.....
As the example rapturists cite the Thes. gathering unto him in the clouds as evidence.
While non rapturists point to Greek uses of the word clouds as crowds masses and interpret gathering in the air as spirit transition with air being like the spiritual body breath of life.....
All things air wind clouds being highly debated.....
Another way of looking at is
Mine eyes have seen the the Glory....of the Coming.....
One could see a storm gathering on the distant horizon and say ....because the wind moveth the clouds with great force lightning and thunder and the rains bring forth life in the earth and sprouting of sewn seed....and The Lord and his Prophets bring forth or holdeth back the rains......
The winds that pusheth the clouds... that carry the waters of life the lightning and thunder announce....
THE GLORY......when I see lightning or hear loud thunder I am always compelled in the spirit to say
Glory Glory Glory.....
I am not debating your post but it is indicated the atmosphere came to life and prophets came out of their graves......etc....and pentecost winds of change blew through.....3K souls added in a day .....just thoughts not arguements just considerations.....like when I stand in the humidity in the woods and there is no wind and my body sufficates and a breeze comes from nowhere...
I say THANK YOU LORD!😀

 

[KnowMe]

Here's what the man said:

Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

My point is, at that moment, the kingdom was not yet.

Was not yet what?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Thank you for this post. I was unsure of what to make of those particular statements, and you have shed light on some very real possibility, and have gotten me to consider all the other possibilities as well. Such as the resurrected Christ who stood before them in the closed room, the Ascension of Christ as he returned to heaven in front of many people, and as one fella mentioned the day of pentecost. Possibly even in the case of Steven as he was about to be stoned who saw Christ at the right hand of God.
Again thank you for posting. Very eye opening.

Thank you and praise be to God for revealing this to you. May He continue to do so.

 

[Noose]

Was not yet what?

The kingdom had not yet come. Jesus preached many times, the kingdom of God is at hand (near) and at His death, we see a confirmation that the kingdom was not yet because He didn't tell the man, "..it has already come..". So there's no event in Jesus' life time that anyone can point and say the kingdom came- the mount of transfiguration is not 'kingdom coming' that Jesus had promised his disciples 6 days earlier, telling them some of them will not taste death until they saw the kingdom come with power and glory.

 

[KnowMe]

The kingdom had not yet come. Jesus preached many times, the kingdom of God is at hand (near) and at His death, we see a confirmation that the kingdom was not yet because He didn't tell the man, "..it has already come..". So there's no event in Jesus' life time that anyone can point and say the kingdom came- the mount of transfiguration is not 'kingdom coming' that Jesus had promised his disciples 6 days earlier, telling them some of them will not taste death until they saw the kingdom come with power and glory.

Who was the voice in the bright cloud?

 

[Noose]

Who was the voice in the bright cloud?

God, but the whole event (mount of transfiguration) happened in the spirit and not in the physical. Meaning that even if there were other people around, they wouldn't have heard the voice or seen the cloud or seen Elijah or Moses.

 

[KnowMe]

God, but the whole event (mount of transfiguration) happened in the spirit and not in the physical. Meaning that even if there were other people around, they wouldn't have heard the voice or seen the cloud or seen Elijah or Moses.

If that’s the case what’s your opinion on these verses.

Matt 17
3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

 

[KnowMe]

to the disciples

5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.

 

[Jimbone]

Well, thank you! But, it was/is warranted and that because it is an on-going blatant distortion of truth.

Yea that's good, and exactly what we should do, but some people believe you are the one distorting text, and spending pages explaining why what Jesus plainly said is not what He meant at all. This pre-trib rapture you spend nearly ALL your time preaching and defending makes me wonder how many are being lead to Christ doing this. It seems to me that some get so caught up in the "end", that they neglect the "RIGHT NOW". I'm trying to build His kingdom on earth just like Jesus said, what are you doing? What fruit comes from this, I think history shows it breeds believers to sit in their nice churches waiting for it to end. The end of the age did come when God judged the covenant breakers, and took His temple off the earth. The end of an age, now - Welcome to the age of Grace! Now come on let's go build it!!!

 

[Noose]

If that’s the case what’s your opinion on these verses.

Matt 17
3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

Matt 17:9And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

2 Peter 1:
16For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” b 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.


This shows that this event was happening in their spirit and not physical. Same like John the baptist at the baptism of Jesus- only him and Jesus heard the voice and saw the dove because it was more spiritual than physical.
Peter is simply trying to say that it something reliable just like any other prophesy.

 

[KnowMe]

Matt 17:9And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

2 Peter 1:
16For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” b 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.


This shows that this event was happening in their spirit and not physical. Same like John the baptist at the baptism of Jesus- only him and Jesus heard the voice and saw the dove because it was more spiritual than physical.
Peter is simply trying to say that it something reliable just like any other prophesy.

Of coarse only three saw the vision with their physical eyes and heard the voice with their physical ears.

We ourselves heard the voice from heaven,
bright cloud.

 

[KnowMe]

God can reveal things in the physical that no one else can see but one person if God chooses too.

 

[Noose]

Of coarse only three saw the vision with their physical eyes and heard the voice with their physical ears.

We ourselves heard the voice from heaven,
bright cloud.

You don't understand, the spirit is the mind or at least inseparable with the mind and what resides in the mind is only understanding and nothing else. Ears and eyes are only physical receptors of what is to be understood in the mind but what comes from the mind (spirit) doesn't need these physical receptors. So the whole thing was playing in their mind as opposed to physical even though it might have appeared to them as if it was a physical happening. It was more of a vision and they were in that vision thinking that they heard and saw it physically.

It was simply a prophesy put in them, the reason Jesus told them not to proclaim it to anyone until He was risen- only after Jesus had risen would they proclaim the kingdom because as at that point, it was a prophesy in them waiting to be released.

It is even clear with John the baptism, the dove descended and the voice spoke but only John saw and heard the voice a midst many people because it happened in the spirit. It was so because he was the man to identify Jesus.

John 1:32Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. 33I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34I have seen and testified that this is the Sone of God.”

As much as there was a loud voice from heaven and what appeared to be a physical dove, it was only in John's spirit. Same thing with Jesus' transfiguration, it was a vision and they were to proclaim it but at a later stage.

 

[KnowMe]

You don't understand, the spirit is the mind or at least inseparable with the mind and what resides in the mind is only understanding and nothing else. Ears and eyes are only physical receptors of what is to be understood in the mind but what comes from the mind (spirit) doesn't need these physical receptors. So the whole thing was playing in their mind as opposed to physical even though it might have appeared to them as if it was a physical happening. It was more of a vision and they were in that vision thinking that they heard and saw it physically.

It was simply a prophesy put in them, the reason Jesus told them not to proclaim it to anyone until He was risen- only after Jesus had risen would they proclaim the kingdom because as at that point, it was a prophesy in them waiting to be released.

It is even clear with John the baptism, the dove descended and the voice spoke but only John saw and heard the voice a midst many people because it happened in the spirit. It was so because he was the man to identify Jesus.

John 1:32Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. 33I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34I have seen and testified that this is the Sone of God.”

As much as there was a loud voice from heaven and what appeared to be a physical dove, it was only in John's spirit. Same thing with Jesus' transfiguration, it was a vision and they were to proclaim it but at a later stage.

Do you think God could do that for real in our physical lives?

 

[SIMON55]

Interpretation of scripture IS debatable - it has been since it was penned.

And specifically the portions regarding "some here will not taste of death" and the "companion" verses that Christ spoke to the Sanhedrin:

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How can the council "see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" if some of them would not be alive to see Him?

Also with this Jesus practiced a habit of speaking figuratively and symbolicly to the temple priests as in destroy this temple.....etc.
So taking the word " see "
Literally... could possibly be a mistake......He could have meant it as " this shall come to pass "......and one could speculate that because of all his followers and believers they sent Saul-Paul after to persecute.....that the new church getting established in front of their eyes literally was them seeing it come to pass......😀