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1 John 3:23-24
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."
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I see, again, more clearly here ... what I could not see before ...
Verse 23 sums up the Lord's commandments to us.
Verse 24 says that the works which follow (fruits of the HS) CONFIRM that we have done so.
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I find it interesting how verse 23 is laid out as two commands ...
It makes me remember what Jesus said about the two greatest commandments that fulfill the law:
Love your God with all your heart and soul and strength and mind
(Believe on the name of His son Jesus Christ)
&
love your neighbor as yourself
(love one another)
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."
***
I see, again, more clearly here ... what I could not see before ...
Verse 23 sums up the Lord's commandments to us.
Verse 24 says that the works which follow (fruits of the HS) CONFIRM that we have done so.
***********************************************************************
I find it interesting how verse 23 is laid out as two commands ...
It makes me remember what Jesus said about the two greatest commandments that fulfill the law:
Love your God with all your heart and soul and strength and mind
(Believe on the name of His son Jesus Christ)
&
love your neighbor as yourself
(love one another)
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No idea what that junk is at the top of your post. Yes. I really am a member here. Were you trying to out me? I'm guessing anyone who clicks my user name can get more info on who I am than whatever that is supposed to be on the top there.
Funny though. Want to know what you're really upset about?
I do this too.
"1. I do not like when people are hypocrites. A lot of the people you defend are quick to slam others. and slander them, But yell and scream if someone does it to them.
I POINT THIS OUT and IF THEY KEEP DOING IT. I POINT IT OUT MORE.."
You just hate it when it's being done to you, and expect free rein when you do it to whoever you dub the Hypocrite-of-the-Day.
So, seriously? What are you expecting from me? I'd really like to know now. I'm doing what you do, with these exceptions:
1. I don't pretend I'm the only one with some divine right to do this.
2. I really don't hassle all the time. Let's face it, there are those you attack every SINGLE time they say something. If HeRose (and others) says something, I can guarantee you will respond with your "I do not defend myself" spiel, right before launching into holier-than-thou that is no better. In truth, it's easy to rebuke HeRose. Why bother? He doesn't listen even more so than you don't listen. I rebuke you, on occasion, in the hope you will listen. At this point in time, I have as much hope of you listening as I have the Phillies will win the World Series next October, but they might and you might. I've dusted my feet from some folks on here. You aren't there yet. You're pushing it, but you aren't there yet. The day I ignore you all the time is the day I put you in the same category as all the people you nip at truly CONSTANTLY. So let's not pretend I go after you all the time.
3. I don't pretend anytime someone disagrees with me they're yelling at me. You just did yell and scream. (See caps in your quote above for yelling and screaming.) I'm one of six kids. You really think yelling or screaming (which are basically the same words, BTW lol) is going to make me react differently? Nada. And yet, you pretend your feelings are hurt when someone turns it around and does it to you. I'm not that.
But I am this:
"1. I do not like when people are hypocrites. A lot of the people you defend are quick to slam others. and slander them, But yell and scream if someone does it to them.
I POINT THIS OUT and IF THEY KEEP DOING IT. I POINT IT OUT MORE.."
I merely don't do it as a constant loop.
Therefore, I AM practicing what I preach. Want to try it? It beats being the hypocrite you truly are.
And remember, I'm holding out hope that you can change. I hold that out because I've seen you be as nice as you are mean. We have much in common. When you get off your high horse you really are a soldier for Christ. Sometimes you think you are the only one. Sometimes you think you alone are winning the war. When you step back and see who already won the war, you aren't like this. That is the guy I'd like to see more often, but you go on autopilot with this junk on deaf ears!
If you ever switch off that autopilot, I suspect, since we have the same personality, we could stand side by side and actually have the freedom to tell the other one when he/she hits autopilot.
We are BOTH this:
"1. I do not like when people are hypocrites. A lot of the people you defend are quick to slam others. and slander them, But yell and scream if someone does it to them.
I POINT THIS OUT and IF THEY KEEP DOING IT. I POINT IT OUT MORE.."
It's NOT from the Lord. It is from the stubbornness of our sinful self. Who better to tell you something is wrong with something you do then someone else who has the same problem?
My hope? That one day, (maybe today), you catch hold of that so we can be the release valve for the other one. If we don't do this, God still has rocks he can use. I'd rather he use me than a rock because he loved me so well, I'd like to give some back. Can you not say the same thing?
Funny though. Want to know what you're really upset about?
I do this too.
"1. I do not like when people are hypocrites. A lot of the people you defend are quick to slam others. and slander them, But yell and scream if someone does it to them.
I POINT THIS OUT and IF THEY KEEP DOING IT. I POINT IT OUT MORE.."
You just hate it when it's being done to you, and expect free rein when you do it to whoever you dub the Hypocrite-of-the-Day.
So, seriously? What are you expecting from me? I'd really like to know now. I'm doing what you do, with these exceptions:
1. I don't pretend I'm the only one with some divine right to do this.
2. I really don't hassle all the time. Let's face it, there are those you attack every SINGLE time they say something. If HeRose (and others) says something, I can guarantee you will respond with your "I do not defend myself" spiel, right before launching into holier-than-thou that is no better. In truth, it's easy to rebuke HeRose. Why bother? He doesn't listen even more so than you don't listen. I rebuke you, on occasion, in the hope you will listen. At this point in time, I have as much hope of you listening as I have the Phillies will win the World Series next October, but they might and you might. I've dusted my feet from some folks on here. You aren't there yet. You're pushing it, but you aren't there yet. The day I ignore you all the time is the day I put you in the same category as all the people you nip at truly CONSTANTLY. So let's not pretend I go after you all the time.
3. I don't pretend anytime someone disagrees with me they're yelling at me. You just did yell and scream. (See caps in your quote above for yelling and screaming.) I'm one of six kids. You really think yelling or screaming (which are basically the same words, BTW lol) is going to make me react differently? Nada. And yet, you pretend your feelings are hurt when someone turns it around and does it to you. I'm not that.
But I am this:
"1. I do not like when people are hypocrites. A lot of the people you defend are quick to slam others. and slander them, But yell and scream if someone does it to them.
I POINT THIS OUT and IF THEY KEEP DOING IT. I POINT IT OUT MORE.."
I merely don't do it as a constant loop.
Therefore, I AM practicing what I preach. Want to try it? It beats being the hypocrite you truly are.
And remember, I'm holding out hope that you can change. I hold that out because I've seen you be as nice as you are mean. We have much in common. When you get off your high horse you really are a soldier for Christ. Sometimes you think you are the only one. Sometimes you think you alone are winning the war. When you step back and see who already won the war, you aren't like this. That is the guy I'd like to see more often, but you go on autopilot with this junk on deaf ears!
If you ever switch off that autopilot, I suspect, since we have the same personality, we could stand side by side and actually have the freedom to tell the other one when he/she hits autopilot.
We are BOTH this:
"1. I do not like when people are hypocrites. A lot of the people you defend are quick to slam others. and slander them, But yell and scream if someone does it to them.
I POINT THIS OUT and IF THEY KEEP DOING IT. I POINT IT OUT MORE.."
It's NOT from the Lord. It is from the stubbornness of our sinful self. Who better to tell you something is wrong with something you do then someone else who has the same problem?
My hope? That one day, (maybe today), you catch hold of that so we can be the release valve for the other one. If we don't do this, God still has rocks he can use. I'd rather he use me than a rock because he loved me so well, I'd like to give some back. Can you not say the same thing?
Thats what I'm talking about. The shepherds are to take care of the poor, not the other way around as it is done today. Acts 20.
The Babylonian hierarchy has an insatiable desire to be 'looked up to', adored, and financed for the privilege. Think: pope and exalted clergy. Same goes on in the local 'church'.
The Babylonian hierarchy has an insatiable desire to be 'looked up to', adored, and financed for the privilege. Think: pope and exalted clergy. Same goes on in the local 'church'.
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What if the shepherd is the one that is poor? I personally know several Pastors that struggle to care for their families because their income is only 25% to 50% of the income of the church members, yet they continue to fulfill their office as Pastor without ever complaining. Indeed, thay count it an honor and a priveledge to serve one of our Lord's churches.
You may very well have experenced situations like you post, but to include all or even most of the Lord's churches is just wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself.
You may very well have experenced situations like you post, but to include all or even most of the Lord's churches is just wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Iet me say it's safe to assume I've been in plenty of churches.
You say there is not in your church a hierarchy. Great. Where are you located? If close enough, I'll come fellowship with you. I'm glad to hear that one man doesn't wear the title 'pastor' who pulls tithes for support in your assembly. And that every member uses their spiritual function in an open meeting. Wonderful, but that is not the norm. Would it be safe for me to say that you have not been to very many churches?
You say there is not in your church a hierarchy. Great. Where are you located? If close enough, I'll come fellowship with you. I'm glad to hear that one man doesn't wear the title 'pastor' who pulls tithes for support in your assembly. And that every member uses their spiritual function in an open meeting. Wonderful, but that is not the norm. Would it be safe for me to say that you have not been to very many churches?
First off, I am not ashamed of myself because I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and His full council. I said...FULL COUNCIL.
However, I am ashamed that I spent years just listening to the pulpit rather than studying God's word for myself. You'd be shocked to find out that most of what is lovingly called 'church' today, cannot be validated by the NT, God's holy and uncompromising word!
You use the term 'my Pastor'. With a capital P. Would I be safe to assume that he is addressed by others as Pastor so and so? If so, he and the folks are breaking God's command not to put a religious honorific title in front of his name. See: Matt. 23. I already provided this reference. Did you look it up in your bible?
You use the word 'office'. Did you check the Greek? It simply means service. Not some lofty, exalted position.
You seem to be saying that there is only one elder in your midst. Is that true?
If this one elder is poor, what kind of secular job does he work according to Acts 20? Maybe he needs to pray and look for a better paying secular job. I mentioned Acts 20 also. Did you look it up in your bible?
You used the term 'serve one of the Lord's churches'. There is only one 'church' and it's His people.
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Put a number on plenty if you dare.
Please understand that there is a huge difference in true churches and religious organizations.
Just because it say church on the sign, does not mean that God recognizes it as one of His churches.
I would suggest that you avoid those large buildings with large congregations and seek a small church in a rual area.
Please understand that there is a huge difference in true churches and religious organizations.
Just because it say church on the sign, does not mean that God recognizes it as one of His churches.
I would suggest that you avoid those large buildings with large congregations and seek a small church in a rual area.
P
A couple of points.
I did not say "my Pastor".
The office of Pastor is clearly taught by Paul and he gives the qualification for one who serves in that office.
Not everyone in the local church qualifies.
Notice I said it is a place of service, not a place of rule. It is a calling, not a career choice or job.
A better job is not always an option in rural areas. There is also the fact that many employers will not hire you if you will not work on Sunday.
I would also challange you to look up the original meaning of the greek word translated church. The original meaning refered to a LOCAL assembly that could physically assemble in one location.
All those who are saved are the children of God, but the word church refers to the local assembly of belivers.
To call all the saved "the church" is to misuse the word.
I did not say "my Pastor".
The office of Pastor is clearly taught by Paul and he gives the qualification for one who serves in that office.
Not everyone in the local church qualifies.
Notice I said it is a place of service, not a place of rule. It is a calling, not a career choice or job.
A better job is not always an option in rural areas. There is also the fact that many employers will not hire you if you will not work on Sunday.
I would also challange you to look up the original meaning of the greek word translated church. The original meaning refered to a LOCAL assembly that could physically assemble in one location.
All those who are saved are the children of God, but the word church refers to the local assembly of belivers.
To call all the saved "the church" is to misuse the word.
P
I never said single pastor. I said that Paul teaches in Tim. and Titus that there are qualifications for Pastors and that all do not qualify. It is a calling, an opportunity serve, not a job or a career. And many are not willing to serve a local church by putting that service before family, job, or self.
Just because you are saved does not qualify you to teach others.
Would you really want a new believer who has limited knowledge and understanding of God's Word to teach others?
Would you please respond to my other statements?
Just because you are saved does not qualify you to teach others.
Would you really want a new believer who has limited knowledge and understanding of God's Word to teach others?
Would you please respond to my other statements?
