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AuntieAnt

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The op says: "something is wrong...."

More importantly, something is RIGHT.... because of Jesus in us, we are righteous. :D

I'm learning daily that the best way to teach anything is to BE the thing. Notice I said I'm learning.... I haven't arrived. But I'm getting there from glory to glory. We all are. Thanks to Jesus our Lord in us!

Like the famous quote says: "The world is changed by our examples, not by our opinions."

And as Jesus says:


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I would teach others the uncompromising truth. Would be a novel thing if they would teach the same to me.
 
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I would teach others the uncompromising truth. Would be a novel thing if they would teach the same to me.
Indeed that should be a inspirational quote for don't we all have a teacher in our self :)
 
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JesusIsAll

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Let's just look at the reality. The Bible teaches there are wheat and tares. Parables of Matthew 13 speak of leaven in the lump, etc. The devil has his in the Christian congregation. So, it's a reality. There are false prophets, doctrines of demons. And some of the worst are those who pull the love card, claiming that rebuke isn't Christ-like, as if those of truth should have accommodation with lies. It's the likes of the Pope proclaiming a big, ecumenical religion, but a religion that the world will believe, straight into hell. There are these Lone Rangers on message boards with their own legalistic, self-righteous religions, who don't understand scripture harmony, and refuse to listen to the long line of God's faithful servants the past couple thousand years, Spirit-filled theologians who agreed and agree on certain truths they foolishly dispute.

When lies are exposed, when the truth, the message, can't be attacked, attack the messenger. If you are an agent of God's truth, you are going to be attacked by the devil's own, right in the congregation, and the Bible was never politically correct as to lies and liars. Again, wheat and tares: it's a reality, as well as persecution of the righteous by the phony, unrighteous world. This situation is in scripture, so what are some of you expecting, who are, as if, proclaiming there should be no divisions, when the Lord Jesus, Himself, said the truth is divisive? If everybody were truly of the Holy Spirit, there wouldn't be a truth problem, but this will not happen until glory. It is what it is in the here and now, and a situation where those of Holy Spirit truth are much out numbered. You of gospel truth, when everybody starts liking you, better check your message and repent.

Matthew 10:34-39
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 5:10-12
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

That said, I do believe much of what goes on in these forums is silly, the repetitive debates. Suppose you're evangelizing: you never park yourself on an unbeliever's doorstep, or stand in their face, arguing all day, do you? The Lord told His disciples to move along, shake the dust off their feet, if not received. The Bible states we should avoid such endless disputing. On both sides of any issue, what do you who repeat yourselves, all day long, across repetitive thread clones, hope to accomplish, or think you're accomplishing?

As always, I wonder if a lot of people just like to bicker, have anger issues, mental issues. Otherwise, why don't you get bored, repeating yourself, or think anybody else wants to read you repeating yourselves? Christianity aside, does this make any sense, in terms of simply normal human behavior? In person, do you repeat yourself and argue in peoples' faces all day, or would that be aberrant, antisocial behavior, even to you? Would you think you're doing God any service and a good representative of Christ? Is there anybody here, but those bickering, who even read the endless pages of all that stuff?
 
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Let's just look at the reality. The Bible teaches there are wheat and tares. Parables of Matthew 13 speak of leaven in the lump, etc. The devil has his in the Christian congregation. So, it's a reality. There are false prophets, doctrines of demons. And some of the worst are those who pull the love card, claiming that rebuke isn't Christ-like, as if those of truth should have accommodation with lies. It's the likes of the Pope proclaiming a big, ecumenical religion, but a religion that the world will believe, straight into hell. There are these Lone Rangers on message boards with their own legalistic, self-righteous religions, who don't understand scripture harmony, and refuse to listen to the long line of God's faithful servants the past couple thousand years, Spirit-filled theologians who agreed and agree on certain truths they foolishly dispute.

When lies are exposed, when the truth, the message, can't be attacked, attack the messenger. If you are an agent of God's truth, you are going to be attacked by the devil's own, right in the congregation, and the Bible was never politically correct as to lies and liars. Again, wheat and tares: it's a reality, as well as persecution of the righteous by the phony, unrighteous world. This situation is in scripture, so what are some of you expecting, who are, as if, proclaiming there should be no divisions, when the Lord Jesus, Himself, said the truth is divisive? If everybody were truly of the Holy Spirit, there wouldn't be a truth problem, but this will not happen until glory. It is what it is in the here and now, and a situation where those of Holy Spirit truth are much out numbered. You of gospel truth, when everybody starts liking you, better check your message and repent.

Matthew 10:34-39
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 5:10-12
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

That said, I do believe much of what goes on in these forums is silly, the repetitive debates. Suppose you're evangelizing: you never park yourself on an unbeliever's doorstep, or stand in their face, arguing all day, do you? The Lord told His disciples to move along, shake the dust off their feet, if not received. The Bible states we should avoid such endless disputing. On both sides of any issue, what do you who repeat yourselves, all day long, across repetitive thread clones, hope to accomplish, or think you're accomplishing?

As always, I wonder if a lot of people just like to bicker, have anger issues, mental issues. Otherwise, why don't you get bored, repeating yourself, or think anybody else wants to read you repeating yourselves? Christianity aside, does this make any sense, in terms of simply normal human behavior? In person, do you repeat yourself and argue in peoples' faces all day, or would that be aberrant, antisocial behavior, even to you? Would you think you're doing God any service and a good representative of Christ? Is there anybody here, but those bickering, who even read the endless pages of all that stuff?
Amen!
The devil is the father of lies!
 
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Amen...well said...now the tares will be offended because they will think you are talking about them..

....kinda like the song " you're so vain " by Carly Simon .."I bet you think this song is about you..don't you?..don't you? " ( the funny thing is about that song..it was all about that person...:confused: )

Let's just look at the reality. The Bible teaches there are wheat and tares. Parables of Matthew 13 speak of leaven in the lump, etc. The devil has his in the Christian congregation.representative of Christ? ?
 

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when believers are driven apart by scripture. the church is in chaos, everyone thinks they know the truth and oppose the other guy who thinks he knows. scripture should divide non believers with believers, never should it divide Gods chosen believers. The world has long ago corrupted the churches doctrine, otherwise there would never be so many denominations and arguments. how can we agree on Jesus, and let the details kill the unity he calls us to? how is his prayer that believers in Him are one and yet we cant discuss scripture without it turning to childish insults and no one hearing and everyone speaking different "truths" its silly to think we have things figured out when we cant mature because of the bitterness one man "youre a false teacher"..the other " nope, you are"...im rubber your glue ??? it is no wonder to me the church in large is unappealing to people. where is the family? the Love? who holds their tongue when no fruit is to be had? if everyone is contending for the true faith, yet no one agrees......its a shame to me that we have a bond as great as Christ, and cast stones and place stumbling blocks rather than encourage, and lift up. The truth is the ones out there acting in the words and teachings of Christ are far greater to God than any that argue and pretend they alone understand the gospel. knowledge raises YOUR bar, lack of knowledge and simply doing what He taught is the only true Gospel. Go Love people and share The simple gospel and trust God to work out the details and transform the mind. we should ever examine our own behavior and not only the "doctrines" we think are right. If we aren't doing what Jesus taught, we are fooling ourselves plainly. and storing up judgement for our own self and any who follow our example.

I Love discussion about scripture for the purpose of reaching truth in a mature and humble manner, its extremely hard to find in my world. I am wondering who is slow to speak and humble to listen? who prays for the ones we condemn? who will actually lay down our extra for those who need all around us in the world? who is it that truly follows the teachings of Christ. I believe with all I am, not everyone is called to teach, or edify others, the majority of us are called to humbly listen and learn from Christ. If you aren't praying daily for Gods wisdom and understanding of His word, you don't understand. If you are so learned in scripture that you are beyond correction, either you are called of God to teach based on the wisdom you pray for daily in humility, or you know so little that you should forget it and just work on Loving another person. I cant imagine Jesus is too happy with the behavior of at least a majority of His people. If your Christianity is words it is useless. if it is all about you, it is useless. if it doesn't bring a major change to your life, you are not yet there. everythong is done with arguing backbiting, murmuring, criticizing, arguing some more, we make enemies of those who are eternally bound to us.

My heart hurts when I Look too closely at modern Christians for the most part. wonderful people all, who lack maturity to know what is worth arguing about, and what is best left to prayer and petition. if we do not learn to Love one another, all the details and word for word scripture is powerless to us, and pointless to discern. There is a purpose in this life for Christians...to be a light in darkness, to offer true Love where the worlds love is long cold. that is the most powerful thing to affect another person for Jesus Christ. help a single mother put food on her table, help an elderly widow pay a monthly bill, take that friend of your kids who has no dad around to the ball game, encourage Him....visit the lonely in nursing homes......if we do things like this and the many more we think of....when we speak about Jesus, it will have weight to the person because we are offering Love that they may not really know elsewhere. to Love people in truth with action, putting in time, effort, even when it isn't conveinient for us or we may miss a ball game or tv show ect this alone reaches the heart hardened by the world. those mistreated respond to love, those who are poor and needy respond to help and kindness, those who are cast aside or overlooked, they respond to someones company and even a shoulder to cry on......Love in truth by laying our desires, wants, our extra for the sake of others. however we are able that will bring people to Christ, not shouting scripture, nor pointing out their sin while overlooking our own. God bless and if I don't see yall again, may the peace and Love of Christ abound from Him to you and also to all of them. I emplore you to examine yourself with a magnifier, and with honesty according to all the knowledge that you possess. and act upon what you find, act in what you know to be true. action is the truth of what we are called to. to Love, not to say I love everyone but to go love others who need it. without this, there is no church.
"Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know".

Therein lies a huge part of the problem. People hold to their positions like a marine holds a hill. They skim posts for things they can argue against, instead of reading for things to expand their understanding. Even when shown that they are in clear error, they REFUSE to budge even a tiny bit. satan has closed our minds to the possibility that we may be wrong, and in doing so, has assured that millions will continue to do wrong.

"Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know".

Learn it. Live it. Only by acknowledging that you may be wrong, can you be assured of when you are right.
 

Magenta

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That said, I do believe much of what goes on in these forums is silly, the repetitive debates. Suppose you're evangelizing: you never park yourself on an unbeliever's doorstep, or stand in their face, arguing all day, do you? The Lord told His disciples to move along, shake the dust off their feet, if not received. The Bible states we should avoid such endless disputing. On both sides of any issue, what do you who repeat yourselves, all day long, across repetitive thread clones, hope to accomplish, or think you're accomplishing?

As always, I wonder if a lot of people just like to bicker, have anger issues, mental issues. Otherwise, why don't you get bored, repeating yourself, or think anybody else wants to read you repeating yourselves? Christianity aside, does this make any sense, in terms of simply normal human behavior? In person, do you repeat yourself and argue in peoples' faces all day, or would that be aberrant, antisocial behavior, even to you? Would you think you're doing God any service and a good representative of Christ? Is there anybody here, but those bickering, who even read the endless pages of all that stuff?
You are so right, and I do hate repeating myself, though at the same time I wonder how many times Jesus repeated Himself, and muse, could that be the source of what some see as contradictions when of course they are not... one day He may have said something a certain way and another day expressed the same idea using different words, or a similar idea but not identical... we do it all the time, and also God, gosh, how many times has He repeated Himself? I wonder does He ever get fed up haha, and think, yes, He is silent for a reason, He has said most of what He has to say for now, why repeat it endlessly? We have His testament and testimony from the prophets, in the revealed written Word of God, and the recorded deeds and words of Jesus Christ. This is not to say He is silent all the time for He does reveal Himself to those whom He chooses. This medium is an interesting one where we see through a glass even more darkly even as some things are starkly exposed.
 
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You are so right, and I do hate repeating myself, though at the same time I wonder how many times Jesus repeated Himself, and muse, could that be the source of what some see as contradictions when of course they are not... one day He may have said something a certain way and another day expressed the same idea using different words, or a similar idea but not identical... we do it all the time, and also God, gosh, how many times has He repeated Himself? I wonder does He ever get fed up haha, and think, yes, He is silent for a reason, He has said most of what He has to say for now, why repeat it endlessly? We have His testament and testimony from the prophets, in the revealed written Word of God, and the recorded deeds and words of Jesus Christ. This is not to say He is silent all the time for He does reveal Himself to those whom He chooses. This medium is an interesting one where we see through a glass even more darkly even as some things are starkly exposed.
And again, I reiterate, indubidably. In other words, ditto! ;)
 
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"Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know".

Therein lies a huge part of the problem. People hold to their positions like a marine holds a hill. They skim posts for things they can argue against, instead of reading for things to expand their understanding. Even when shown that they are in clear error, they REFUSE to budge even a tiny bit. satan has closed our minds to the possibility that we may be wrong, and in doing so, has assured that millions will continue to do wrong.

"Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know".

Learn it. Live it. Only by acknowledging that you may be wrong, can you be assured of when you are right.
This is so true! We must approach scripture with a completely open mind, be willing to humbly submit to truths we may not even like, that is, be able to understand that can go against our limited thinking, have the attitude that only truth is important, that only the Lord's opinion is important.

I only want truth, whatever that truth is, as lies are less than nothing, a waste of mental space. Also, I was always very grateful and delighted when a better theologian set me straight and things made more sense, as a result.

Proverbs 3:3-7 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: so shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
 
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AuntieAnt

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Ya know, thousands upon thousands of broken, messed-up people hungering to know the truth followed after Jesus because they recognized He not only taught truth, He WAS the truth. And He spoke the truth in love. Jesus' kind of love never fails. Because He is kind and compassionate and gentle and meek and humble and faithful. People weren't afraid to be around Jesus because He didn't put Himself above them. He had a servant's heart.

Nobody reacts well to someone spouting copious amounts of scripture by some stubborn, self-righteous Pharisee who doesn't recognize fault in themselves. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm talking about myself. I feel sick to my stomach when I see that my flesh got in the way of loving someone.

We're a family for real. Literally one body in Christ. When someone gets hurt, we all get hurt. When one gets blessed, we're all blessed. That's pretty awesome. I want more blessings! :D
 
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Ya know, thousands upon thousands of broken, messed-up people hungering to know the truth followed after Jesus because they recognized He not only taught truth, He WAS the truth. And He spoke the truth in love. Jesus' kind of love never fails. Because He is kind and compassionate and gentle and meek and humble and faithful. People weren't afraid to be around Jesus because He didn't put Himself above them. He had a servant's heart.

Nobody reacts well to someone spouting copious amounts of scripture by some stubborn, self-righteous Pharisee who doesn't recognize fault in themselves. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm talking about myself. I feel sick to my stomach when I see that my flesh got in the way of loving someone.

We're a family for real. Literally one body in Christ. When someone gets hurt, we all get hurt. When one gets blessed, we're all blessed. That's pretty awesome. I want more blessings! :D
I was just thinking about this also. We all experience pain in our lives around our sense of being loved, or not loved, and how we love others; our failings in this regard can be so glaringly obvious to us as we stumble through our day to day, while God's love as shown through Jesus Christ stands as a testament throughout all time as to what love truly entails, and how it looks, and what it means. It really does seem to me that love is the crux of consciousness, and the purpose of all creation...
 
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Well said..

..imagine the "stuff" Luther had to go through to take his stand on " the just shall live by faith.."..

The religious hierarchy of his day told him that the things they believe are truth and has been for over 1,500 years. ( of course they wanted to kill him for saying that we live by faith in Christ and only He makes us righteous - which went against the organized church of the day )


"Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know".

Therein lies a huge part of the problem. People hold to their positions like a marine holds a hill. They skim posts for things they can argue against, instead of reading for things to expand their understanding. Even when shown that they are in clear error, they REFUSE to budge even a tiny bit. satan has closed our minds to the possibility that we may be wrong, and in doing so, has assured that millions will continue to do wrong.

"Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know".

Learn it. Live it. Only by acknowledging that you may be wrong, can you be assured of when you are right.
 

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Well said..

..imagine the "stuff" Luther had to go through to take his stand on " the just shall live by faith.."..

The religious hierarchy of his day told him that the things they believe are truth and has been for over 1,500 years. ( of course they wanted to kill him for saying that we live by faith in Christ and only He makes us righteous - which went against the organized church of the day )

Luther never had it easy that is for sure. He brought the church back to what it 'actually' had believed before becoming corrupt (in its view of Justification etc). I often hear people who have erroneous theological convictions use this type of reasoning... fortunately unlike Luther, their views where never held by the church.

There is an aweful lot of confusion in the church by Law and Grace.. its a shame really.. It is nothing new, Legalists and antinimoians have always been about ;)
 
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Amen...well said....I see a lot of that happening too in some things...

.Wycliffe was on the "hit list" as well as Luther just because he was printing the Bible in everyday english ...but the Lord is faithful to us. The Holy Spirit will lead us in all truth and reveal Jesus to us. We have a good, loving Father and a great salvation in our Lord!

Luther never had it easy that is for sure. He brought the church back to what it 'actually' had believed before becoming corrupt (in its view of Justification etc). I often hear people who have erroneous theological convictions use this type of reasoning... fortunately unlike Luther, their views where never held by the church.

There is an aweful lot of confusion in the church by Law and Grace.. its a shame really.. It is nothing new, Legalists and antinimoians have always been about ;)
 

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We need to hold to our positions if those positions are clearly marked in His word.

REPETITION is needed to expose 1700 years worth of heresy. Not to mention the problem of hardened hearts, the result of deception.

Peter gave God a hard time over the roof top vision in Joppa. Given to him THREE times because Judaism was fully baked into his thinkology. The bible is replete with repetiveness. But, sad to say, just because God repeats Himself over and over does not guarantee His people will eventually grow a clue.

The prophets of old REPEATED the judgments of God that would come upon Israel unless they repented of their wicked ways.

We all know how that turned out. But God continued to repeat things nonetheless.

The NT mentions the last days apostasy more than once. The organized 'church' with the traditions and commandments of men fully baked into the body of believer's thinkology.

God wants us to 'get it'. So He uses REPETITION, leaving no stone unturned.

So personally, I'll keep teaching His word till more folks 'get it'. We are in the last hour. The NT is smack full of warnings of the apostate condition of Christendom before His return.

Ill stop speaking when God pulls the plug.
 
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As parents we certainly repeat ourselves a lot to our children, constantly enforcing the do's and don'ts of what is permissible and what is not, as they are disciplined, and also in our dearest relationships, we are not loathe to repeatedly tell those we care about that we love them, if we know it is welcomed and well received, or maybe even if it is not, hoping it will have some desired effect some day... as well, teachers understand the value of having to repeat themselves, as they go through the course material year after year, but that is not a daily basis sort of repetition, but cyclic, so somewhat different. Also, I attend 12 step meetings, and I do marvel at those who never tire of the bare bones basic telling of their story and how it relates to the recovery process and the value of submitting one's self to the process regardless of the number of times you may at first negatively react to the mention of the word "God," as newcomers often do... and so there is this element of embracing a need for repetition, and an acknowledgement of the requirement to stay in touch with the purpose for the constant reiteration of such things, though never just for the purpose of having one's gums flap to hear one's own voice...
 
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As parents we certainly repeat ourselves a lot to our children, constantly enforcing the do's and don'ts of what is permissible and what is not, as they are disciplined, and also in our dearest relationships, we are not loathe to repeatedly tell those we care about that we love them, if we know it is welcomed and well received, or maybe even if it is not, hoping it will have some desired effect some day... as well, teachers understand the value of having to repeat themselves, as they go through the course material year after year, but that is not a daily basis sort of repetition, but cyclic, so somewhat different. Also, I attend 12 step meetings, and I do marvel at those who never tire of the bare bones basic telling of their story and how it relates to the recovery process and the value of submitting one's self to the process regardless of the number of times you may at first negatively react to the mention of the word "God," as newcomers often do... and so there is this element of embracing a need for repetition, and an acknowledgement of the requirement to stay in touch with the purpose for the constant reiteration of such things, though never just for the purpose of having one's gums flap to hear one's own voice...
You mean like this? .....
I love you.
[SIZE=+1]I love you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I LOVE YOU![/SIZE]
:rolleyes::eek:;)
 
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Let's just look at the reality. The Bible teaches there are wheat and tares. Parables of Matthew 13 speak of leaven in the lump, etc. The devil has his in the Christian congregation. So, it's a reality. There are false prophets, doctrines of demons. And some of the worst are those who pull the love card, claiming that rebuke isn't Christ-like, as if those of truth should have accommodation with lies. It's the likes of the Pope proclaiming a big, ecumenical religion, but a religion that the world will believe, straight into hell. There are these Lone Rangers on message boards with their own legalistic, self-righteous religions, who don't understand scripture harmony, and refuse to listen to the long line of God's faithful servants the past couple thousand years, Spirit-filled theologians who agreed and agree on certain truths they foolishly dispute.

When lies are exposed, when the truth, the message, can't be attacked, attack the messenger. If you are an agent of God's truth, you are going to be attacked by the devil's own, right in the congregation, and the Bible was never politically correct as to lies and liars. Again, wheat and tares: it's a reality, as well as persecution of the righteous by the phony, unrighteous world. This situation is in scripture, so what are some of you expecting, who are, as if, proclaiming there should be no divisions, when the Lord Jesus, Himself, said the truth is divisive? If everybody were truly of the Holy Spirit, there wouldn't be a truth problem, but this will not happen until glory. It is what it is in the here and now, and a situation where those of Holy Spirit truth are much out numbered. You of gospel truth, when everybody starts liking you, better check your message and repent.

Matthew 10:34-39
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 5:10-12
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

That said, I do believe much of what goes on in these forums is silly, the repetitive debates. Suppose you're evangelizing: you never park yourself on an unbeliever's doorstep, or stand in their face, arguing all day, do you? The Lord told His disciples to move along, shake the dust off their feet, if not received. The Bible states we should avoid such endless disputing. On both sides of any issue, what do you who repeat yourselves, all day long, across repetitive thread clones, hope to accomplish, or think you're accomplishing?

As always, I wonder if a lot of people just like to bicker, have anger issues, mental issues. Otherwise, why don't you get bored, repeating yourself, or think anybody else wants to read you repeating yourselves? Christianity aside, does this make any sense, in terms of simply normal human behavior? In person, do you repeat yourself and argue in peoples' faces all day, or would that be aberrant, antisocial behavior, even to you? Would you think you're doing God any service and a good representative of Christ? Is there anybody here, but those bickering, who even read the endless pages of all that stuff?
good point made endless debating can just lead to more debating the ever alluding how to approach people without being rejected how to park yourself on the doorstep of a unbeliever and share a message or receive one.
I say receive one from a non believer because I've learned spiritual things from non believers and they didn't even know they tault me something in my spiritual journey in those times its truely amazing to me.

Even Jesus wasn't able to master "the art of language harmony" imagine the Son of God being alluded but in all reality that's what happened we wouldn't have the Cross if it wasn't true thus showing division is still a reality today as yesterday and will be in people and anyone can be tempted even the ones who sent Jesus to his death. didn't Jesus say Forgive them father for they know not what they do, for Jesus also knew human limits even God himself conformed to the limits of the human mind.

So yes indeed if a person is going to take on a spiritual type life style or not either way be prepared for the battle can't avoid that it will happen rather we want it or not. once someone told me (I never meant for it to be this way) and I said I know its ok I still love ya surely God has felt that way before he sent Jesus to correct it if one so choices to believe. Religion/spiritual quest is a personal choice first and for most in my view.

Language barrier could be a reason why there are accounts of visions from God in scripture along with words "I heard these words from God" though there are more words being stated than visions in the bible no doubt but all of them are still words to discribe as for me I think it's impossible to fully discribe God and his majestic values.

In my view I will compare what is scripture to that that is in this world around me and through living people and people of the past etc.. and finally thru the small still voice I hear to complete my belief. All this I just said is my view I don't need anybody to agree with my ideas though I will hear anyones views and compare it to mine either I'll say you are right or I won't or I'll say nothing and move along to the next topic.

Even today when ever I hear that quite still voice it's like ok I hear you God but how do I explain it then the same quite still voice says I didn't create your language humans did, do the best you can its apart of your free will I've given you.