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Here's an "As in the days of Noah..." update:

The CRISPR twins had their brains altered
New research suggests that a controversial gene-editing experiment to make children resistant to HIV may also have enhanced their ability to learn and form memories.

The brains of two genetically edited girls born in China last year may have been changed in ways that enhance cognition and memory, scientists say.
The twins, called Lulu and Nana, reportedly had their genes modified before birth by a Chinese scientific team using the new editing tool CRISPR. The goal was to make the girls immune to infection by HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Now, new research shows that the same alteration introduced into the girls’ DNA, to a gene called CCR5, not only makes mice smarter but also improves human brain recovery after stroke, and could be linked to greater success in school.
“The answer is likely yes, it did affect their brains,” says Alcino J. Silva, a neurobiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, whose lab has been uncovering a major new role for the CCR5 gene in memory and the brain’s ability to form new connections.
“The simplest interpretation is that those mutations will probably have an impact on cognitive function in the twins,” says Silva. He says the exact effect on the girls’ cognition is impossible to predict, and “that is why it should not be done.”


He Jiankui poses for the cameras of the Associated Press in the days before his gene-editing experiments became known.
MARK SCHIEFELBEIN | AP
The Chinese team, led by He Jiankui of the Southern University of Science and Technology in Shenzhen, claimed it used CRISPR to delete CCR5 from human embryos, some of which were later used to create pregnancies. HIV requires the CCR5 gene to enter human blood cells.
The experiment has been widely condemned as irresponsible, and He is under investigation in China. News of the first gene-edited babies also inflamed speculation about whether CRISPR technology could one day be used to create super-intelligent humans, perhaps as part of a biotechnology race between the US and China.
There is no evidence that He actually set out to modify the twins’ intelligence. MIT Technology Review contacted scientists studying the effects of CCR5 on cognition, and they say the Chinese scientist never reached out to them, as he did to others from whom he hoped to get scientific advice or support.
  • “As far as I know, we never heard from him,” says Miou Zhou, a professor at the Western University of Health Sciences in California.
Although He never consulted the brain researchers, the Chinese scientist was certainly aware of link between CCR5 and cognition. It was first shown in 2016 by Zhou and Silva, who found that removing the gene from mice significantly improved their memory. The team had looked at more than 140 different genetic alterations to find which made mice smarter.
Silva says because of his research, he sometimes interacts with figures in Silicon Valley and elsewhere who have, in his opinion, an unhealthy interest in designer babies with better brains. That’s why, when the birth of the twins became public on November 25, Silva says he immediately wondered if it had been an attempt at this kind of alteration. “I suddenly realized—Oh, holy shit, they are really serious about this bullshit,” says Silva. “My reaction was visceral repulsion and sadness.”
Whatever He’s true aims, evidence continues to build that CCR5 plays a major role in the brain. Today, for example, Silva and a large team from the US and Israel say they have new proof that CCR5 acts as a suppressor of memories and synaptic connections.
According to their new report, appearing in the journal Cell, people who naturally lack CCR5 recover more quickly from strokes. What’s more, people missing at least one copy of the gene seem to go further in school, suggesting a possible role in everyday intelligence.
“We are the first to report a function of CCR5 in the human brain, and the first to report a higher level of education,” says UCLA biologist S. Thomas Carmichael, who led the new study. He calls the link to educational success “tantalizing” but says it needs further study.
The discoveries about CCR5 are already being followed up in drug trials on both stroke patients and people with HIV, who sometimes suffer memory problems. In those studies, one of which is under way at UCLA, people are being given an anti-HIV drug, Maraviroc, which chemically blocks CCR5, to see if it improves their cognition.
Silva says there is a big difference between trying to correct deficits in such patients and trying to create enhancement. “Cognitive problems are one of the biggest unmet needs in medicine. We need drugs, but it’s another thing to take normal people and muck with the DNA or chemistry to improve them,” he says. “We simply don’t know enough to do it. Nature has struck a very fine balance.”
Just because we shouldn’t alter normal intelligence doesn’t mean we can’t. Silva says the genetic manipulations used to make “smart mice” show not only that it is possible, but that changing CCR5 has particularly big effects.
“Could it be conceivable that at one point in the future we could increase the average IQ of the population? I would not be a scientist if I said no. The work in mice demonstrates the answer may be yes,” he says. “But mice are not people. We simply don’t know what the consequences will be in mucking around. We are not ready for it yet.”
here is another guy thats into the same field of work:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Garis

his name is Hugo de Garis and he thinks we need to get our brain nanoteched which will make us superior beings. one would no longer be a human but would become an artilect. if you listen to one of his lectures he sounds like he has already done this to himself. when you listen to him talk you get a cold shiver, sounds very cold and inhuman. he says with this technology "we can create gods".
 
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The Epistle of Barnabas is not an inspired document either and I have absolutely no regard for the opinions of the so-called "Church fathers" regarding the "Book of Enoch." Like Jude, Jesus quotes the prophet Enoch, not the Book of Enoch.
I don't see any book of Enoch as prophecy. I see some words that he declared that the Holy Spirit revealed to Jude that he had previously put on the tongue of Enoch . Why go above that which is written as adding to it?
 
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I can't help but think that Paul was thinking of Genesis 6 when we wrote this. Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; I am fully persuaded that Paul knew about this Jewish fable concerning the idea that sons of God in Gen 6 were angels who had sex with women and Paul did not teach that but taught the correct interrpretation about godly and ungodly which he is thinking of when he wrote this verse.
 
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jaybird88

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I can't help but think that Paul was thinking of Genesis 6 when we wrote this. Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; I am fully persuaded that Paul knew about this Jewish fable concerning the idea that sons of God in Gen 6 were angels who had sex with women and Paul did not teach that but taught the correct interrpretation about godly and ungodly which he is thinking of when he wrote this verse.
are those sons of the Most High mentioned by Paul still walking the earth today? Jesus said a son of the Most High does not die.

Luke 20:36
for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
 
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Matt 24: 36-39
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

How do we know that they were marrying and given in marraige until Noah entered the Ark? From Gen 6 the sons of god saw the daughters of men etc... This saying of Jesus is another scripture that prooves that Jesus taught that these were men marrying women (not angels.) Gen 6 connects the marrying of the daughters of men (of all which they choose, probably polygamy) with the proclamation of the coming flood in 120 years. The godly marrying the ungodly because of their lusts is the flashpoint of the judgement foretold. This is a truth that we need to pay attention too.

Another comment not necessarily related but it could be:
Today men are demanding to be given the legal right to marry men, and women are demanding the right to marry women. Laws are being passed to give them the right to do so. Men are going to go on marrying and giving in marraige until the Lord suddenly returns and the wrath of the Lamb comes suddenly upon them and in that day the Lord will have the final say about this marriage perversion issue won't He?