I'm not sure what you're wanting me to see exactly. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 still says that God brings with Jesus "those who are asleep" when He descends from Heaven. That isn't changing any time soon. Please take another prayerful look at 1 Thessalonians 4 and decide if you agree with Paul or not. @ewq1938 @DavidTree @Nehemiah6
Their souls are in Heaven with Christ = "God will bring with Him those who sleep/died in Jesus"
Christ is in Heaven = the Saints are in Heaven = there are NO Dead bodies in Heaven = there are NO Dead souls in Heaven.
But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. Mark 12:27
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
You cannot kill Eternal Life = Eternal Life never dies = there are no dead Saints in Heaven, only Living Souls of those who died on earth.
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
ALL Living Souls are those who died in Christ when they were on earth = these are who Jesus brings with Him at His Coming.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep/died, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep/died in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who are asleep/died.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake(rise/resurrection), some to everlasting life,
Only the dead bodies/bones of the Saints are "sleeping" in the earth, their souls are in Heaven with Jesus.
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