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ember

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What's really odd ? I mean really really odd?

Is repeating the same demonic lie over and over that ANYONE has said its ok to sin

of course when that lie seems to work so well for those who believe it, the devil is not going to change tactics

There are no new false doctrines..
its always the same devil...only the flesh is new because...well..who is going to listen to a bag of bones flapping its mandibles?

Are you a murderer or a rapist? I wonder why you keep talking about them

However...the grace of God will cover those sins as well if you repent

Its so much harder to stop false accusations that create the only real...in your own mind...case you think you have

Its pretty greasy to keep repeating falsehoods when anyone can read that no one here says what certain members accuse others of
 
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Lost_sheep

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Kind of funny it's almost always the same members getting into these bickering matches, and really funny that the members are always men. *sniff, sniff* smells like male pattern insecurity.

You boys have at it. Beat your chests and grunt while you're arguing about stuff to show dominance. If I wanted to see that kind of behavior, I could always just watch an episode of Planet Earth on TV and at least I'd have David Attenborough's narration to listen to rather than you boys bolding and underlining this piece of text or that to make your point.

I'm going to go share recipes. At least those don't descend into a "me right, you wrong" type of argument.
 
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KennethC

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ember said:
What's really odd ? I mean really really odd?

Is repeating the same demonic lie over and over that ANYONE has said its ok to sin

of course when that lie seems to work so well for those who believe it, the devil is not going to change tactics

There are no new false doctrines..
its always the same devil...only the flesh is new because...well..who is going to listen to a bag of bones flapping its mandibles?

Are you a murderer or a rapist? I wonder why you keep talking about them

However...the grace of God will cover those sins as well if you repent

Its so much harder to stop false accusations that create the only real...in your own mind...case you think you have

Its pretty greasy to keep repeating falsehoods when anyone can read that no one here says what certain members accuse others of
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Okay simple question then, and lets see if you can give a simple yes or no answer with out rambling on !!!


When a believer turns back away from the Truth and departs from the Faith are they still saved ???


Please do not give me that generic Calvinistic lie that they were never a believer to begin with, that is a cop-out that goes against Jesus teachings of the Sower and the Seed !!!
 
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God's Word should be sufficient.
If people come for other reasons fine but the Churches basic duty is to feed and equip the sheep.
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The Church is the Sheep.
 
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Like omniscience, omnipresent and omnipotent? Ahh, let God be God.
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Honestly? Exactly like those ones. That and God always always gets his way. Downright drives me nuts! (And now you know why I'm nuts... since we both already have established I am. lol)
 
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Lost_sheep said:
Kind of funny it's almost always the same members getting into these bickering matches, and really funny that the members are always men. *sniff, sniff* smells like male pattern insecurity.

You boys have at it. Beat your chests and grunt while you're arguing about stuff to show dominance. If I wanted to see that kind of behavior, I could always just watch an episode of Planet Earth on TV and at least I'd have David Attenborough's narration to listen to rather than you boys bolding and underlining this piece of text or that to make your point.

I'm going to go share recipes. At least those don't descend into a "me right, you wrong" type of argument.
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It's okay. I found the recipe for bolognese now. lol

(BTW, not all men. 98%, but not all are men.)
 
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KennethC said:
Okay simple question then, and lets see if you can give a simple yes or no answer with out rambling on !!!


When a believer turns back away from the Truth and departs from the Faith are they still saved ???


Please do not give me that generic Calvinistic lie that they were never a believer to begin with, that is a cop-out that goes against Jesus teachings of the Sower and the Seed !!!
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Actually, since she mentioned the murderers and rapists thingy, that didn't come from you, so she's probably not talking to you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KennethC said:
Okay simple question then, and lets see if you can give a simple yes or no answer with out rambling on !!!


When a believer turns back away from the Truth and departs from the Faith are they still saved ???


Please do not give me that generic Calvinistic lie that they were never a believer to begin with, that is a cop-out that goes against Jesus teachings of the Sower and the Seed !!!
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You have a major flaw in your question

A believer can turn from truth and fall away.

A child of God saved by FAITH can not, nor would they ever have any desire to do so (I know you can not comprehend why. Most likely, because you have yet to have true unadulterated faith in God. )

So is a BELIEVER who fell away and turned from truth saved? No..
 
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KennethC

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Actually, since she mentioned the murderers and rapists thingy, that didn't come from you, so she's probably not talking to you.
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The point is she wants to come in here and state people are making false accusations on others, when she has been doing exactly the same thing.

Then she avoids straight forward questions to keep rambling on, so I asked a simple one to see if it would get answered with a simple yes or no.

Anytime a question is posed that the bible can answer, if the answer will destroy their doctrine or understanding avoiding, not giving a simple answer to worm around the truth, or belittling and attacking the one who asked the question are usually the tactic's that follow.

Go look at the Pre-Trib destroys Catholic doctrine thread, I asked a easy simple question on page 4.

The last time I checked we were on page 20, and no pre-trib rapture believer has yet to answer it !!!

Instead it has been avoided, I have been attacked and called names, and they even went and twisted a scripture to try to force a different timing, or say can not be known. The bible gives a clear answer though !!!
 
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KennethC

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There is no such thing as a difference between a believer and a child of God !!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KennethC said:
The point is she wants to come in here and state people are making false accusations on others, when she has been doing exactly the same thing.

Then she avoids straight forward questions to keep rambling on, so I asked a simple one to see if it would get answered with a simple yes or no.

Anytime a question is posed that the bible can answer, if the answer will destroy their doctrine or understanding avoiding, not giving a simple answer to worm around the truth, or belittling and attacking the one who asked the question are usually the tactic's that follow.

Go look at the Pre-Trib destroys Catholic doctrine thread, I asked a easy simple question on page 4.

The last time I checked we were on page 20, and no pre-trib rapture believer has yet to answer it !!!

Instead it has been avoided, I have been attacked and called names, and they even went and twisted a scripture to try to force a different timing, or say can not be known. The bible gives a clear answer though !!!
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rolls eyes....

You did not ask the proper question..

And even if you did, Just because someone does not give you the answer YOU WANT< does not make them wrong.. All you do is keep puffing yourself up.

Demons believe are they saved? Faith saves, Not mere belief. Faith works, it has power. it will never faid away..

Belief will always crumble. because it has no power to change lives.
 
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John146

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Doctrine is simply teaching. There is Bible doctrine and false doctrine.

Sound doctrine is actually putting doctrine into action and it works. Doctrine is good for knowledge, knowing what to do. Sound doctrine is proving it works by doing it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KennethC said:
There is no such thing as a difference between a believer and a child of God !!!
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Um Yes there is..

Paul made this clear in Gal. many people believed in God but were not his children. He called some illigitament and not true children, as they who believed and did not get chastened by God. and James said if you believe you do well. But unless you have faith it is meaningless
 
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KennethC

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John146 said:
Doctrine is simply teaching. There is Bible doctrine and false doctrine.

Sound doctrine is actually putting doctrine into action and it works. Doctrine is good for knowledge, knowing what to do. Sound doctrine is proving it works by doing it.
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Exactly, in 1 Corinthians 12 Apostle Paul speaks on believers as being of One body.

How can that body function properly if the members are not doing their job ???

There is no insignificant or nonactive part of the body, they all have a purpose to serve.

If they don't serve their purpose or calling then all we have to do is go back to Matthew 25 and Luke 12 to see what Jesus said about these servants that refuse to serve their purpose !!!
 
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KennethC said:
The point is she wants to come in here and state people are making false accusations on others, when she has been doing exactly the same thing.

Then she avoids straight forward questions to keep rambling on, so I asked a simple one to see if it would get answered with a simple yes or no.

Anytime a question is posed that the bible can answer, if the answer will destroy their doctrine or understanding avoiding, not giving a simple answer to worm around the truth, or belittling and attacking the one who asked the question are usually the tactic's that follow.

Go look at the Pre-Trib destroys Catholic doctrine thread, I asked a easy simple question on page 4.

The last time I checked we were on page 20, and no pre-trib rapture believer has yet to answer it !!!

Instead it has been avoided, I have been attacked and called names, and they even went and twisted a scripture to try to force a different timing, or say can not be known. The bible gives a clear answer though !!!
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Oh, come on now! Do I really have to look? The same thing happens every time and this has been going on for nine months that I know of, (only because you two have been around longer than I have.) You get into your tizzy about people attacking you. She gets in a tizzy about no one cares what you think, (meaning she doesn't.) Back and forth, back and forth, then eventually she says she's not going to talk to you again, then more back and forth. It doesn't take a genius to realize neither one of you listen. Why do I have to go do the research?
 
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KennethC

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Oh, come on now! Do I really have to look? The same thing happens every time and this has been going on for nine months that I know of, (only because you two have been around longer than I have.) You get into your tizzy about people attacking you. She gets in a tizzy about no one cares what you think, (meaning she doesn't.) Back and forth, back and forth, then eventually she says she's not going to talk to you again, then more back and forth. It doesn't take a genius to realize neither one of you listen. Why do I have to go do the research?
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I listen just fine, I am just not going to sit back and let contrary teaching go unchallenged !!!

We have new believers to the faith that come here on this site, should we sit back and let these new one's come in here and think the false teaching or bad behavior is acceptable. Their salvation is at stake, and we are called to be overseers of the rest of the flock (Acts 20:28-31).

My question was: When does the Word of God show when the man of sin is revealed ???

I asked this because Paul stated that this revealing takes place before any gathering/rapture of the Church takes place !!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KennethC said:
I listen just fine, I am just not going to sit back and let contrary teaching go unchallenged !!!

We have new believers to the faith that come here on this site, should we sit back and let these new one's come in here and think the false teaching or bad behavior is acceptable. Their salvation is at stake, and we are called to be overseers of the rest of the flock (Acts 20:28-31).

My question was: When does the Word of God show when the man of sin is revealed ???

I asked this because Paul stated that this revealing takes place before any gathering/rapture of the Church takes place !!!
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that's exactly why you can ignore me and others like me all you want. We will continually expose your false teaching..

So please. Stop getting mad at us when we are doing what you just stated we need to do.
 
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KennethC

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eternally-gratefull said:
that's exactly why you can ignore me and others like me all you want. We will continually expose your false teaching..

So please. Stop getting mad at us when we are doing what you just stated we need to do.
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I am not mad at all and you lie why I have you on ignore !!!

I have you on ignore because you are a back-biter, judgmental, condemning, and false accuser of the brethren !!!

Your constant back-biting of me shows truly what spirit is in you, and it is not the Holy Spirit for He would not have you go around attacking and belittling people behind their back knowing you are on ignore.

He would have you dust off your feet and move on !!!

You speak from pride way to much in your "you are always right" attitude !!!

You have so much pride and hatred in you that you don't even read what I post any more, and thus get caught making up lies about me that has already been squashed !!!

You need to pray for God to soften your heart, and I will pray for you to as I always do !!!

Because this attitude you keep throwing towards me is not one of love !!!

God bless
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KennethC said:
I am not mad at all and you lie why I have you on ignore !!!

I have you on ignore because you are a back-biter, judgmental, condemning, and false accuser of the brethren !!!
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No. In order for that to be true, I would have to lie about people. I prove everything I say.

Your constant back-biting of me shows truly what spirit is in you, and it is not the Holy Spirit for He would not have you go around attacking and belittling people behind their back knowing you are on ignore.

He would have you dust off your feet and move on !!!

You speak from pride way to much in your "you are always right" attitude !!!

You have so much pride and hatred in you that you don't even read what I post any more, and thus get caught making up lies about me that has already been squashed !!!

You need to pray for God to soften your heart, and I will pray for you to as I always do !!!

Because this attitude you keep throwing towards me is not one of love !!!

God bless
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So. You are helping people from being lost by lying abut what I believe, bearing false witness against me, and backbiting me and those like me., and that is perfectly ok.

But if we disagree with you, we are liars and backbiters.

That my friend is the pure definition of hypocrisy..

You do the very thing you always judge me of doing, yet you can not even see it..

I keep coming after you HOPIN you will see truth, but also to make sure everyone who reads what you post gets both your view and the other view. so they can chose.
 
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ember said:
Is repeating the same demonic lie over and over that ANYONE has said its ok to sin
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There is a simple problem here.
People claim to believe a believer cannot walk in righteousness, therefore they continue in sin.
It is an either/or. You cannot have both.

We started with its impossible to follow the law, to walk as Jesus walked because we sin every-day.

Now its a demonic lie to suggest this is true. It gets a little confusing saying we do not believe walking in righteousness is possible and sin is this impossible high bar, and how dare you say we said that.

I am just looking for some consistency here. Screaming foul continuously just makes you look stupid, equally saying satan is involved in your convoluted and failed argument is equally stupid. I suggest your side gets your story straight.

I am seriously happy if through grace and love working in your heart you can walk righteously. If the answer is yes, then amen we agree. If no, what is stopping us and which benchmark are you using.

I hope this makes things clear, rather than flinging denegration around, I just want to praise my Lord.
 
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