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you are free to do that. being as the bible makes no reference to Jesus doing it or teaching it i chose no to based on that.
you are not understanding my point but its ok.
i follow the teachings of the Father and Son. i consider myself a Christian but i do not put a lot of focus on religious and denomination labels. again, Jesus didnt teach this, this is a custom of man. Jesus warned against teachings of man.
also i i dont think its proper to falsely accuse people nor suggest they are wrong when they dont worship the exact same way that i do.
you are not understanding my point but its ok.
i follow the teachings of the Father and Son. i consider myself a Christian but i do not put a lot of focus on religious and denomination labels. again, Jesus didnt teach this, this is a custom of man. Jesus warned against teachings of man.
also i i dont think its proper to falsely accuse people nor suggest they are wrong when they dont worship the exact same way that i do.
Nope, Jesus did not speak in tongues. The gift of holy Spirit was not given until he ascended. Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God - he received from the Father the promised holy Spirit and poured out what happened on the day of Pentecost. That's why he told the apostles to tarry in Jerusalem and wait for the promise of the Father . . .
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The flip side of that, which I have tried to explain, is the question:
Do YOU do EVERYTHING Jesus did? No? Well is it smart NOT to do everything Jesus did?
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would be sent AFTER |He ascended
sorry if you cannot grasp that...seriously...it's really pretty simple
unless of course one WANTS to disbelieve
The very idea that Jesus did not do it, or teach it as an excuse to not speak in tongues yourself is an odd perspective to take. The reason being, is that everything in the Bible is of the Lord, it was Holy Spirit inspired. So, whether it was recorded out of the mouth of Jesus or out of the disciples, it all comes from the same Source. That is God. Holy Spirit inspired the four gospels just as much as he recorded the following epistles. Don't think I am equating the words of men with the words of Jesus, whom is God, but that it is in the Word means that its God approved, if you will.
I am not sure if I articulated that perfectly, but in summary if its in the Word you can't just ignore it. Especially on the grounds that Jesus didn't speak about it, considering He Himself said there were things he wanted to teach us but couldn't, and that we would have to wait for the Holy Spirit (as Teacher). So, while I understand what you are saying as a safeguard, we must rightly divide the word, and by divide I don't mean cut things out. Tongues is in the Word, and there is an importance to this gift as there is to all the gifts of the Spirit. If you don't want it, thats fine. However, don't discourage others from desiring it, because God may wish to use it to glorify Himself to others, because it is an edifying gift not only for the person using it, but to those who receive the interpretation.
I am not sure if I articulated that perfectly, but in summary if its in the Word you can't just ignore it. Especially on the grounds that Jesus didn't speak about it, considering He Himself said there were things he wanted to teach us but couldn't, and that we would have to wait for the Holy Spirit (as Teacher). So, while I understand what you are saying as a safeguard, we must rightly divide the word, and by divide I don't mean cut things out. Tongues is in the Word, and there is an importance to this gift as there is to all the gifts of the Spirit. If you don't want it, thats fine. However, don't discourage others from desiring it, because God may wish to use it to glorify Himself to others, because it is an edifying gift not only for the person using it, but to those who receive the interpretation.
1 Corinthians 14:1King James Version (KJV)
14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
Does not God give us the desires of the heart? Why would the Word tell us to desire something that is unattainable? It is at the discretion of the Spirit, but realize that you have the Spirit inside of you, and he holds all the gifts.
1 Corinthians 12:31King James Version (KJV)
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
I think the verse I am about to show, really applies to the topic at hand.
1 Corinthians 14:39King James Version (KJV)
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
I don't think the bible could be any clearer.
14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
Does not God give us the desires of the heart? Why would the Word tell us to desire something that is unattainable? It is at the discretion of the Spirit, but realize that you have the Spirit inside of you, and he holds all the gifts.
1 Corinthians 12:31King James Version (KJV)
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
I think the verse I am about to show, really applies to the topic at hand.
1 Corinthians 14:39King James Version (KJV)
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
I don't think the bible could be any clearer.
J
the teachings of Jesus works for me. i dont need to create a flip side to it nor add to his teachings, i feel it creates divisions among His followers.
i do not do everything Jesus did. I am a simple man and Jesus was the Son of the All High. He is an example for me to follow. if i could walk around doing all the great things Jesus did i am afraid it would make it difficult to practice humility, a virtue the Father said he loved most, referring to Moses. humility keeps one far from arrogance/haughtiness, a quality our Lord says is detestable.
i do not do everything Jesus did. I am a simple man and Jesus was the Son of the All High. He is an example for me to follow. if i could walk around doing all the great things Jesus did i am afraid it would make it difficult to practice humility, a virtue the Father said he loved most, referring to Moses. humility keeps one far from arrogance/haughtiness, a quality our Lord says is detestable.
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sure it does but my point of serving Jesus and learning His teachings is not to get the gift of tongues. i dont need to prove myself to other men by showing my speech of tongues. if this gift was given to me, fine, but until then i am not going to spend all my spiritual devotion seeking it.
where does Jesus teach it?
its in the bible, but i dont see it as a command, teaching or something we should pursue.
where does Jesus teach it?
its in the bible, but i dont see it as a command, teaching or something we should pursue.
J
ok this got me interested enough to read more about it. from my understanding, the whole point of the tongues was for going into a region of non believers, they would see the tongues as a sign. nothing more.
tongues would serve no purpose for believers. tongues have nothing to do with proving your faith and i see nothing saying the Lord sends tongue speech to elevate one to a higher level of spirituality.
i can only come to one conclusion, if you are in church and start speaking in tongues, something is very wrong because this is not the purpose of tongues.
tongues would serve no purpose for believers. tongues have nothing to do with proving your faith and i see nothing saying the Lord sends tongue speech to elevate one to a higher level of spirituality.
i can only come to one conclusion, if you are in church and start speaking in tongues, something is very wrong because this is not the purpose of tongues.
Here! Jesus talking, my friend!
Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;