Speaking in tongues

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

ok this got me interested enough to read more about it. from my understanding, the whole point of the tongues was for going into a region of non believers, they would see the tongues as a sign. nothing more.
tongues would serve no purpose for believers. tongues have nothing to do with proving your faith and i see nothing saying the Lord sends tongue speech to elevate one to a higher level of spirituality.
i can only come to one conclusion, if you are in church and start speaking in tongues, something is very wrong because this is not the purpose of tongues.

I answered this in a writing here, or in the other tongues thread, but I'll write it again.

In Acts 19-1-7, all those disciples knew each other and most certainly only spoke the language of Hebrew/Aramaic. They were Jews who were disciples of John the Baptist. There were no strangers in the area when this event transpired.

Here's the account:

Act 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples.
Act 19:2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Act 19:3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Act 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Act 19:7 There were in all about twelve men.


Now Jaybird, all these guys began speaking in tongues. They were not speaking a language of another region, nor were there any strangers from foreign lands in their midst. They spoke in a language that was to no man's benefit, save the person who was speaking. It edified themselves, they also experienced a great power from the Holy Spirit, they began to have greater sense and faith about the living God they believed in. Yes, supernatural.

Again, they only knew Hebrew/Aramaic, and the bible says they began speaking in tongues, and there were no strangers there to benefit from a known language of the earth.

So, Jaybird. Read and understand. Tongues was NOT to foreigners for evangelistic purpose here.

Okay?

 

[ember]

1 Tim 6:6 Godliness with contentment is great gain.

the consuming quest for Spiritual gifts is more akin to manipulation of God than being content in the presence of God.

! Corinthians 13:8 tongues will cease.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So even though the Bible says we should EARNESTLY seek after spiritual gifts, you come along and say we should not and say we are manipulating God

Well, someone is manipulating the word here and it's not God

tongues have not ceasesd. You are in error and it is false teaching to state that tongues have ceased.

 

[KJV1611]

I answered this in a writing here, or in the other tongues thread, but I'll write it again.

In Acts 19-1-7, all those disciples knew each other and most certainly only spoke the language of Hebrew/Aramaic. They were Jews who were disciples of John the Baptist. There were no strangers in the area when this event transpired.

Here's the account:

Act 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples.
Act 19:2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Act 19:3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Act 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Act 19:7 There were in all about twelve men.


Now Jaybird, all these guys began speaking in tongues. They were not speaking a language of another region, nor were there any strangers from foreign lands in their midst. They spoke in a language that was to no man's benefit, save the person who was speaking. It edified themselves, they also experienced a great power from the Holy Spirit, they began to have greater sense and faith about the living God they believed in. Yes, supernatural.

Again, they only knew Hebrew/Aramaic, and the bible says they began speaking in tongues, and there were no strangers there to benefit from a known language of the earth.

So, Jaybird. Read and understand. Tongues was NOT to foreigners for evangelistic purpose here.

Okay?

The bible doesn't say whether or not these men were speaking a language of another region and it doesn't say that there weren't any strangers from foreign lands in their midst. We can't just assume they were can we?

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

KJV1611,

You are correct in calling me out on that. It is not written what I said. 'Seems likely, since there is no mention of being in a public place (Paul met these guys while travelling through the upper country).

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

But I would like add, regarding this record in Acts 19:1-7, that of all the things the apostle Paul could have spoken about with these disciples he met (Salvation, predestination, free will, sanctification, the origins of man, the stars and heavens, thoughts about the afterlife, etc.) Paul puts his finger on something that he realizes is extremely important.

The first thing Paul says to these guys, is "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"


Now, unlike several writing their own viewpoints about tongues and its importance, Paul saw it as the most important thing to talk about with these disciples, having never met them before.

Paul discern's the lack, the need, the importance of getting the Holy Spirit and so, he does his job and ministers the truth to these guys.

How many on this site think that the importance of the Holy Spirit is not such a big thing, as much as LOVE is?

Why did not Paul talk to these guys about LOVE???

You see? They all have importance, but in this case, Paul makes the Holy Spirit the most important thing.

 

[KJV1611]

KJV1611,

You are correct in calling me out on that. It is not written what I said. 'Seems likely, since there is no mention of being in a public place (Paul met these guys while travelling through the upper country).

I'm very interested in tongues and I was trying to follow your logic there but I don't think we can go where you went to truly understand the biblical meaning of tongues.

 

[jaybird88]

I answered this in a writing here, or in the other tongues thread, but I'll write it again.

In Acts 19-1-7, all those disciples knew each other and most certainly only spoke the language of Hebrew/Aramaic. They were Jews who were disciples of John the Baptist. There were no strangers in the area when this event transpired.

Here's the account:

Act 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples.
Act 19:2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Act 19:3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Act 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Act 19:7 There were in all about twelve men.


Now Jaybird, all these guys began speaking in tongues. They were not speaking a language of another region, nor were there any strangers from foreign lands in their midst. They spoke in a language that was to no man's benefit, save the person who was speaking. It edified themselves, they also experienced a great power from the Holy Spirit, they began to have greater sense and faith about the living God they believed in. Yes, supernatural.

Again, they only knew Hebrew/Aramaic, and the bible says they began speaking in tongues, and there were no strangers there to benefit from a known language of the earth.

So, Jaybird. Read and understand. Tongues was NOT to foreigners for evangelistic purpose here.

Okay?

tongue means language plain and simple. but its like you want it to mean more than that and i just dont get why its so important to go on a quest like this. im not sure i would want to put so much faith into speculation.
when John baptized Jesus there is no mention of Jesus or anyone else present speaking in tongues. in all of the teachings of Jesus, the greatest of all teachers, he mentioned it one time, and this when he was sending out the disciples. and most important to me, when Jesus Himself was teaching, he never mentions tongues. if tongues had the significance you claim they do then Jesus would have taught this in His ministry. i do not think it wise to add to his teaching. if you add one thing whats to stop you from adding more and more and more . . ..

 

[Cruisyazz]

I suppose there needs to be discernment when it comes to speaking in tongues than. Not only discernment as in when to do it or not but whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not.
The church I attended also had people just dropping to the floor also without being touched.I wwondered why God was not doing that to me. Although I felt the presence of God and felt convicted yet loved I never had the feeling of falling over or speaking in tongues. I wondered if I was missing something at the time.
If people truly are speaking in tongues and filled with the Holy Spirit why is there no healing and miracles? If there is what have you seen that was an undeniable miracle? Like a limb growing or something like that.

 

[KJV1611]

I suppose there needs to be discernment when it comes to speaking in tongues than. Not only discernment as in when to do it or not but whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not.
The church I attended also had people just dropping to the floor also without being touched.I wwondered why God was not doing that to me. Although I felt the presence of God and felt convicted yet loved I never had the feeling of falling over or speaking in tongues. I wondered if I was missing something at the time.
If people truly are speaking in tongues and filled with the Holy Spirit why is there no healing and miracles? If there is what have you seen that was an undeniable miracle? Like a limb growing or something like that.

Because people are not truly speaking in tongues. Tongues like almost every other doctrine in the bible is totally misunderstood. Tongues is not "jibber-jabber" like we see the Pentecostals do, it's speaking the hidden mysteries of God through the symbolic language of the bible. A person who truly speaks in tongues will be ridiculed and charged as a heretic by most "Christians".


[h=1]1 Corinthians 2:7King James Version (KJV)[/h]7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

 

[Stephen63]

i follow the teachings of the Father and Son. i consider myself a Christian but i do not put a lot of focus on religious and denomination labels. again, Jesus didnt teach this, this is a custom of man. Jesus warned against teachings of man.

John 1:1-3 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Since Jesus IS the Word, yes He taught it. ALL of it.
The writers of the NT wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Guess who sends the Holy Spirit with the Word?

also i i dont think its proper to falsely accuse people nor suggest they are wrong when they dont worship the exact same way that i do.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

that was not the question
no, and i dont add to what he taught
IMO i dont think its smart to practice or teach something Jesus did not teach or do.

Jesus while on earth didn't teach about the order of ministry (elders, deacons, bishops, etc.)
Jesus while on earth didn't teach about the Apostles, teachers, evangelists, etc.
Jesus while on earth didn't teach about the Gifts of the Spirit.
Soooooo, cuz Jesus didn't teach it, you still don't believe it?

the teachings of Jesus works for me. i dont need to create a flip side to it nor add to his teachings, i feel it creates divisions among His followers.

Since Jesus IS the Word, HE added it.

i do not do everything Jesus did. I am a simple man and Jesus was the Son of the All High. He is an example for me to follow. if i could walk around doing all the great things Jesus did i am afraid it would make it difficult to practice humility, a virtue the Father said he loved most, referring to Moses. humility keeps one far from arrogance/haughtiness, a quality our Lord says is detestable.

Here's what Jesus had to say about doing works like Him.....
John 14:12-14 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

[Stephen63]

Hardly my friend. Your attempt to manipulate God is shameful. The gifts given by the Holy Spirit are at the discretion of God not the will of man. How hard you believe if it is without fidelity toward God and His word the out come will not be of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The Op gives scripture to prove his point, & you judge & accuse of manipulation.

You make groundless accusations, & use no scripture at all, as usual.

So..... who's really the manipulator here?

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

Because people are not truly speaking in tongues. Tongues like almost every other doctrine in the bible is totally misunderstood. Tongues is not "jibber-jabber" like we see the Pentecostals do, it's speaking the hidden mysteries of God through the symbolic language of the bible. A person who truly speaks in tongues will be ridiculed and charged as a heretic by most "Christians".


1 Corinthians 2:7King James Version (KJV)

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Now how do you know that?

If you heard Japanese for the first time, you'd call it jibber jabber.

When the saints speak in the tongues of angels, you would call it jibber jabber.

When the saints utter mysteries in the spirit and the mind is unfruitful, your natural instinct is to call it as you are calling it.

To the spiritual, it is not jibber jabber. To the spiritual, they are not even thinking or listening to their own "jibber jabber". What they are doing is as Paul said, and I quote:

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.


And again, those of you who have not this gift, not having the experience, and in no position to speak authoritatively on the matter. We who do have experience in this, should be consulted by you. AND, all the questions in your soul about this matter, we all have been addressing, quite adequately, from the bible the correct answers to your doubts.

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

The bible doesn't say whether or not these men were speaking a language of another region and it doesn't say that there weren't any strangers from foreign lands in their midst. We can't just assume they were can we?

And the spirit has brought to mind something I should have stated the first time to you, when addressing this post of yours.

As the apostle so clearly writes, that people who pray (or speak) in tongues should do so alone (not in the assembly, unless there is an interpreter), why would God have people speaking in a known earthly tongue while by themselves, if God even did that (I do not believe tongues is earthly language).

People who speak in tongues (even the ministers out there in TV land whom I might call heretics), I do not doubt there speaking in tongues. I do not think it is necessarily a false tongues, even if the minister is a "wolf". God only is able to judge this type of thing, unless we have true discernment on the matter.

You have to get past your natural, fleshly manner of judging things. You MUST. You will never enter into spiritual things with the natural mind. Jesus said it is IMPOSSIBLE.

If you wish to enter into the spiritual things and understand them from God, you must not ignore all the solid teaching that we have been pointing you to, and backing up with scripture. We do not speculate. We have entered into a marvelous thing that God wants for all His Body.


And for what it is worth, Galatians speaks about 9 fruit of the Spirit, and 1 Corinthians 12 speaks about 9 gifts of the Spirit, and I'm not 100% certain of this fact, but I heard a minister on the radio in the early 1980's who stated that a dove (bird) has 9 feathers on each wing. And so for the Body to fly straight (allegory about the bird representing Christ and His church) it needs to be utilizing all its gifts and fruit, to go forward in a straight path.

It was very interesting, to say the least.

 

[Saint-John]

Yeay Todd, at last someone who knows the truth and dosnt band about theology and religion, we know how to worship in the spirit, (tongues ) as ordered by the Lord Jesus Christ ( these signs follow believers ,not those who dont !) all we can do is tell them and pray with them that there NATURAL heart (stoney ) may be made a heart of flesh by the Holy Ghost.

If they look they will see Corinthians is how the CHURCH (people not a building) opperates (does theirs??) tongues is for private DIRECT prayer (undefiled by natural mind) Im glad I speak in Tongues more than you ALL (inferring all could)

God is not the author of confusion (but we know who is and how so many are sold short !)

you cant get the signs following without submitting to Jesus Christ..FULLY...no tongues, no spirit, no spirit , non of his....!

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

Thanks, Saint-John. Your words are encouraging to me, and reinforce me when I can become weak from the constant barrage of disagreements.

 

[jaybird88]

Jesus didnt teach this, this is a custom of man. Jesus warned against teachings of man.

John 1:1-3 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Since Jesus IS the Word, yes He taught it. ALL of it.
The writers of the NT wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Guess who sends the Holy Spirit with the Word?

again i ask, show mr a passage where Jesus teaches this? in other words i want to see the red print. and back to the point you danced around with no response, Jesus warned against teachings of man. why would Jesus say this??

also i i dont think its proper to falsely accuse people nor suggest they are wrong when they dont worship the exact same way that i do.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

nowhere does it say falsely accuse anyone. but the Lord the Father does warn of falsely accusing, its a detestable sin. one thing from that passage of yours that really sticks out to me, sound doctrine. my entire argument has been based on the teachings of Jesus and this is what you are disputing with your interpretations.

Jesus while on earth didn't teach about the order of ministry (elders, deacons, bishops, etc.)
Jesus while on earth didn't teach about the Apostles, teachers, evangelists, etc.
Jesus while on earth didn't teach about the Gifts of the Spirit.
Soooooo, cuz Jesus didn't teach it, you still don't believe it?
Since Jesus IS the Word, HE added it.

i dont believe this is how it works. you are making this "Jesus IS the Word" into a philosophy that can mean whatever one wants it to mean. there was a reason why Jesus was sent, Isiahi tells us a great teacher, when Jesus was here he was called great teacher, i believe his teachings are great and i choose not to add my own beliefs or doctrines to them.

Here's what Jesus had to say about doing works like Him.....
John 14:12-14 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

and again i will repeat what i said to this last time. I am not greater than Jesus and i do not stride to be mightier than Jesus. according to this passage above it teaches it would be possible to do greater works than Jesus and i dont reject that but as of now i do not and i will not boast to others that i one day will do greater works than Jesus himself. IMO that does not glorify the Father, it glorifies ones own self vanity.
just so you understand me, i am not great, i am not greater than Jesus, i am not a final authority on interpreting the scriptures. i am a man i study the bible and let the words of the Father and the Son make my decisions, not the word of man. i dont tell people what to think, one should be able to think for themselves. there are to many (men) in this world telling others what to think.

 

[Todd_TruthSeeker]

again i ask, show mr a passage where Jesus teaches this? in other words i want to see the red print. and back to the point you danced around with no response, Jesus warned against teachings of man. why would Jesus say this??




nowhere does it say falsely accuse anyone. but the Lord the Father does warn of falsely accusing, its a detestable sin. one thing from that passage of yours that really sticks out to me, sound doctrine. my entire argument has been based on the teachings of Jesus and this is what you are disputing with your interpretations.

i dont believe this is how it works. you are making this "Jesus IS the Word" into a philosophy that can mean whatever one wants it to mean. there was a reason why Jesus was sent, Isiahi tells us a great teacher, when Jesus was here he was called great teacher, i believe his teachings are great and i choose not to add my own beliefs or doctrines to them.



and again i will repeat what i said to this last time. I am not greater than Jesus and i do not stride to be mightier than Jesus. according to this passage above it teaches it would be possible to do greater works than Jesus and i dont reject that but as of now i do not and i will not boast to others that i one day will do greater works than Jesus himself. IMO that does not glorify the Father, it glorifies ones own self vanity.
just so you understand me, i am not great, i am not greater than Jesus, i am not a final authority on interpreting the scriptures. i am a man i study the bible and let the words of the Father and the Son make my decisions, not the word of man. i dont tell people what to think, one should be able to think for themselves. there are to many (men) in this world telling others what to think.

Jaybird, I'm telling ya dude. I'm about to ignore you as a dissenter and factious person.

I have written you already on your specific question (page 3, post #60) showing that Jesus Christ did in fact teach on tongues at the end of the gospel of Mark, and you refuse to believe or ignore God's word.

You are walking a fine line now, dude. Either acknowledge your error from the answer I supplied you to your specific question, or we are done.

 

[Saint-John]

G'Day TODD, Dont worry you are on very safe Ground , natural man just wants to argue, rather than submit to Jesus Christ,

just like when Jesus tried to speak to his own (religious NATURAL people) and eventually not satisfied with mocking he was beaten, etc and finally put on the cross by THEM ( the letter of the LAW killeth, and man cant keep it anyway)

he gave himself for all who MIGHT accept HIS WAY (not their own pie in the sky ,find out your wrong when you die, nonsense !) Just keep on keeping on ,for threir sakes , and aviod arguments..just give a scripture or two..let the LORD work on them, if they be willing and mold-able !?

 

[jaybird88]

Jaybird, I'm telling ya dude. I'm about to ignore you as a dissenter and factious person.

I have written you already on your specific question (page 3, post #60) showing that Jesus Christ did in fact teach on tongues at the end of the gospel of Mark, and you refuse to believe or ignore God's word.

You are walking a fine line now, dude. Either acknowledge your error from the answer I supplied you to your specific question, or we are done.

and i responded to it on #67.
what you call a fine line i am happy to walk. i will never be bullied nor threatened by man to turn away from the teachings of the Father or Son.
feel free to practice what you believe. im not telling you how to serve.

 

[gotime]

Do all spirit filled Christians do this?

No. the spirit gives to each as He wills.

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

notice Paul makes it clear that not all receive the same gifts and He lists tongues last in the list of importance. it is man who makes it first not God. People feel that they have made it if they speak in tongues but this is just a lie of the Devil.

and again:

1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

tongue last.

1Co_14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Prophesying is greater than tongues. Paul wishes all but clearly not all do as is inferred by the wish that all would and by his statement earlier.



1Co_14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

Here tongues has not benefit if it does not bring some revelation or knowledge etc.

1Co_14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are for non believers so that they can understand the Gospel case in point people are not helped with jiberish but on the day of Pentecost everyone that heard understood the message. Thus we see it was given to communicate the Gospel.

blessings study it out. not everyone gets it, I never have but I have had other gifts as needed to edify the church or preach the Gospel to non believers. but as Yet I have not needed the gift of tongues to communicate the Gospel cause people speak my language or someone is there who can translate for me. so no need.