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Ah... wrong until proven right, guilty until proven innocent. It's good that your legal system isn't based on such poor reasoning.
Given that you have an a priori belief against the miraculous, as your many posts show, I suspect that you would find a way to reject all manner of evidence given you. That is good reason not to bother discussing the matter with you further.
Given that you have an a priori belief against the miraculous, as your many posts show, I suspect that you would find a way to reject all manner of evidence given you. That is good reason not to bother discussing the matter with you further.
Claimants are neither wrong nor right, they are simply making claims. When these claimants offer physical evidence for their claims of physical acts we can make a reasonable decision of the validity of said claims. Until then all this banter is at best speculation. I strongly believe this desire to dance around the obvious answer to this question is in part to sustain these debates.
On your labelling me guilty of a bias against the miraculous, you are quite wrong. I believe in the miraculous with every fiber in my being. I pray for its return and deeply desire to see it in my lifetime. In my ministry with the sick and disabled I am surrounded by those who both believe and are in desperate need of the miraculous. For many, the miraculous is all the hope they have left. If you are ever in Baton Rouge, LA please PM me and I will show you what I mean.
On your labelling me guilty of a bias against the miraculous, you are quite wrong. I believe in the miraculous with every fiber in my being. I pray for its return and deeply desire to see it in my lifetime. In my ministry with the sick and disabled I am surrounded by those who both believe and are in desperate need of the miraculous. For many, the miraculous is all the hope they have left. If you are ever in Baton Rouge, LA please PM me and I will show you what I mean.
You don't believe your bible if you don't accept what God put there. Men will accept the traditions of a dead denomination and men educated in dead tradition rather than the words of God. Being taught to believe that the Bible is untrue, or parts are not for today, are false teachings or works of the devil. Thank God the Father for fetching me Himself rather than the cold denominational pew warmers that wanted me to come to their church.
I'm so tired of hearing this anti baptism in the Holy Spirit false teaching for the forty years I've been saved, then baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaking, praying in the spirit. Your argument whosoever declares these things are;
1. Not for today
2.Not from God
3. Of the devil
4. Not needed
5. Other denominational traditional anti scripture teachings.
I see much discussion in many places about this gift. Strangely most comes from those denying and not comprehending it's use or value. Believers in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues are attacked with vigor so many times that they hesitate to even comment or give testimony. Such things among believers ought not to be. Amen
The tongues spoken aloud in a church meeting are for interpretation. One person gives a message in tongues and the Holy Spirit gives the interpretation to another. This will be a prophetic word for encouragement, correction or whatever the Lord wants said. Believers in a service may pray quietly to themselves in tongues so as not to interfere with God's moving. Let everything be done decently and in order. Amen
The gift is primarily for the building up of the believer as brother Jude says in Jude vs. 20. Everywhere in the new testament "letters" that refers to prayer in the spirit is referring to prayer in tongues. This is the way that we who have this gift normally refer to it. Prayer in the spirit.
As I prayed in the spirit on Tuesday, October 29,1979 at my home I realized that the Holy Spirit was giving me the translation. In short He was telling me that my wife was pregnant. This was after fourteen years of a childless marriage and doctors had told us my wife could not conceive. After being saved and afterwards being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the accompanying gift of tongues the Lord had begun to tell us of the son He was going to send us. This was the ending chapter of many things. Our son was born about nine months later. We'd heard from God and it came to pass. Our son is a man of God.
When we pray in the spirit it is a wonderful pouring out of your spirit man to the Lord that the devil cannot understand. The enemy tries everything to hinder your praying in the spirit. Thoughts come, distractions, all sorts of things to try and stop your prayers. Anytime you are praying in the spirit it is as if you were dropping spiritual bombs on the darkness. God gave this gift not as some bauble or curiosity or for idle discussion but as a serious weapon and wonderful gift for building up your spirit man. It is a GIFT from God. Amen
Paul tells us that we "give thanks well" by prayer in the spirit - speaking in tongues. After prayer in the spirit for half an hour or hour your spirit is joyful and energized. Again we think back to brother Jude, verse 20. Keep yourself built up by prayer in the spirit. What of unbelievers?
Jude 1:18-19 (NKJV)
18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
There is so much more to this gift than I can discuss in a short time. I was not going to church when Jesus came for me (read Ezekiel chapter 34 where God goes to fetch His own sheep).He saved me, caused me to be born again them baptized me in His Holy Spirit. I had to search out what had happened to me in the Bible. I was 33 years old. This all happen outside church walls. No church people ever told me about God's love, just "come to our church". Remember that age of 33? Jesus chose to start living in me at the same age He gave His life for us. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift!
In the old testament there are many scriptures that pertain to this gift and it's use. I will just mention a few. These in Job are awaiting the gift of tongues.
Job 29:21 — Job 29:23 (NKJV)
“Men listened to me and waited,
And kept silence for my counsel.
After my words they did not speak again,
And my speech settled on them as dew.
They waited for me as for the rain,
And they opened their mouth wide as for the spring rain.
The following verses are regarding a call by the Holy Spirit to intercessory prayer in the spirit - tongues...
Job 32:18 — Job 32:20 (NKJV)
For I am full of words;
The spirit within me compels me.
Indeed my belly is like wine that has no vent;
It is ready to burst like new wineskins.
I will speak, that I may find relief;
I must open my lips and answer.
The internal pressure lessens as God's call to prayer is fulfilled. This is something that has to be experienced in order to deepen understanding of it.
These scriptures refer to the building up, the rest that comes as we pray in the spirit as brother Jude says...
Isaiah 28:11-12 KJVS
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
We see that unbelievers are referred to in the last line.
The PURE language. The gift of tongues cannot be perverted as it is a pure prayer directly from our spirit man to God. No thinking is involved.
Zephaniah 3:9 KJVS
then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord , to serve him with one consent.
The pure language mentioned is praying in the spirit, tongues. Reference Jude, Ephesians 6th chapter, 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, Mark 16th chapter.
Job 37:19 KJVS
Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.
How long can you pray with your mere understanding? Not long. Not for hours on end. Only prayer in the prayer language, tongues, can continue without ceasing. The language may be either a known one or an unknown one. Tongues of men AND of angels Paul says in 1Corinthians 13.
"Forbid not" he states in 1Corinthians 14. This tells us that there were already present those false teachers attempting to throw out this gift of God. He was admonishing them to stop this discouragement of the gift. Amen
1 Corinthians 14:34, 38-39 (NKJV)
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
I have been praying in tongues - the spirit - for forty years this October. Often after praying for a good while (we are told by brother Paul to pray and sing both in the spirit, tongues that is, and with our understanding) in the spirit the Lord will give you scriptures, a word or insight to scriptures or some problem you've been dealing with or etc. It's a wonderful thing and I know that through this gift the Holy Spirit has us shown many things and brought down works of the enemy.
It really is distressing to see so much of the body of Christ deprived of the gift of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues by unbelief and tradition. The foolish things of the world it is written are used by God to pull down the fleshly wisdom of men. He takes ignorant men such as I was and he's them to broadcast his wonderful message. Denominational tradition and men having not the Holy Spirit or the gift, many not even saved, teach against the word of God. America's churches are in a sad state. We need Revival. When God's spirit sweeps in you won't have to ask if it's real. Amen
The Holy Spirit is the powerful helper Jesus promised us. Jesus is the baptizer. Every instance of men being baptized in the Holy Spirit in the new testament they are given the gift of tongues. All of those on the day of Pentecost were already believers. Those men in Acts chapter 19 that were brought to paul were already believers. Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit SINCE they believed. They hadn't. They received the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues.
In Acts chapter 10 Cornelius and the gentiles with him, were baptized in the Holy Spirit (He fell on them as Peter preached) and began to speak in tongues. Afterwards they were water baptized. The Lord saved me at home, baptized me in the Holy Spirit at home and some time later I was water baptized when we joined a church that taught the Holy Spirit baptism.
As Paul, I can only speak the things I've seen and heard and experienced as they agree completely with the written word. Everything God gives us is for the good of the believer, is for us His children. I would urge all believers to simply follow these new testament believers in Acts 17 and not traditions of men or denominations.
Acts 17:11-13 (NKJV)
11 These were MORE FAIR-MINDED than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and SEARCHED the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
12 Therefore MANY of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.
13 BUT when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
Brothers and sisters, follow those in verse 11, not those in verse 13. Amen
And I think that I also have the spirit of God, Amen
I'm so tired of hearing this anti baptism in the Holy Spirit false teaching for the forty years I've been saved, then baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaking, praying in the spirit. Your argument whosoever declares these things are;
1. Not for today
2.Not from God
3. Of the devil
4. Not needed
5. Other denominational traditional anti scripture teachings.
I see much discussion in many places about this gift. Strangely most comes from those denying and not comprehending it's use or value. Believers in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues are attacked with vigor so many times that they hesitate to even comment or give testimony. Such things among believers ought not to be. Amen
The tongues spoken aloud in a church meeting are for interpretation. One person gives a message in tongues and the Holy Spirit gives the interpretation to another. This will be a prophetic word for encouragement, correction or whatever the Lord wants said. Believers in a service may pray quietly to themselves in tongues so as not to interfere with God's moving. Let everything be done decently and in order. Amen
The gift is primarily for the building up of the believer as brother Jude says in Jude vs. 20. Everywhere in the new testament "letters" that refers to prayer in the spirit is referring to prayer in tongues. This is the way that we who have this gift normally refer to it. Prayer in the spirit.
As I prayed in the spirit on Tuesday, October 29,1979 at my home I realized that the Holy Spirit was giving me the translation. In short He was telling me that my wife was pregnant. This was after fourteen years of a childless marriage and doctors had told us my wife could not conceive. After being saved and afterwards being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the accompanying gift of tongues the Lord had begun to tell us of the son He was going to send us. This was the ending chapter of many things. Our son was born about nine months later. We'd heard from God and it came to pass. Our son is a man of God.
When we pray in the spirit it is a wonderful pouring out of your spirit man to the Lord that the devil cannot understand. The enemy tries everything to hinder your praying in the spirit. Thoughts come, distractions, all sorts of things to try and stop your prayers. Anytime you are praying in the spirit it is as if you were dropping spiritual bombs on the darkness. God gave this gift not as some bauble or curiosity or for idle discussion but as a serious weapon and wonderful gift for building up your spirit man. It is a GIFT from God. Amen
Paul tells us that we "give thanks well" by prayer in the spirit - speaking in tongues. After prayer in the spirit for half an hour or hour your spirit is joyful and energized. Again we think back to brother Jude, verse 20. Keep yourself built up by prayer in the spirit. What of unbelievers?
Jude 1:18-19 (NKJV)
18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
There is so much more to this gift than I can discuss in a short time. I was not going to church when Jesus came for me (read Ezekiel chapter 34 where God goes to fetch His own sheep).He saved me, caused me to be born again them baptized me in His Holy Spirit. I had to search out what had happened to me in the Bible. I was 33 years old. This all happen outside church walls. No church people ever told me about God's love, just "come to our church". Remember that age of 33? Jesus chose to start living in me at the same age He gave His life for us. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift!
In the old testament there are many scriptures that pertain to this gift and it's use. I will just mention a few. These in Job are awaiting the gift of tongues.
Job 29:21 — Job 29:23 (NKJV)
“Men listened to me and waited,
And kept silence for my counsel.
After my words they did not speak again,
And my speech settled on them as dew.
They waited for me as for the rain,
And they opened their mouth wide as for the spring rain.
The following verses are regarding a call by the Holy Spirit to intercessory prayer in the spirit - tongues...
Job 32:18 — Job 32:20 (NKJV)
For I am full of words;
The spirit within me compels me.
Indeed my belly is like wine that has no vent;
It is ready to burst like new wineskins.
I will speak, that I may find relief;
I must open my lips and answer.
The internal pressure lessens as God's call to prayer is fulfilled. This is something that has to be experienced in order to deepen understanding of it.
These scriptures refer to the building up, the rest that comes as we pray in the spirit as brother Jude says...
Isaiah 28:11-12 KJVS
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
We see that unbelievers are referred to in the last line.
The PURE language. The gift of tongues cannot be perverted as it is a pure prayer directly from our spirit man to God. No thinking is involved.
Zephaniah 3:9 KJVS
then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord , to serve him with one consent.
The pure language mentioned is praying in the spirit, tongues. Reference Jude, Ephesians 6th chapter, 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, Mark 16th chapter.
Job 37:19 KJVS
Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.
How long can you pray with your mere understanding? Not long. Not for hours on end. Only prayer in the prayer language, tongues, can continue without ceasing. The language may be either a known one or an unknown one. Tongues of men AND of angels Paul says in 1Corinthians 13.
"Forbid not" he states in 1Corinthians 14. This tells us that there were already present those false teachers attempting to throw out this gift of God. He was admonishing them to stop this discouragement of the gift. Amen
1 Corinthians 14:34, 38-39 (NKJV)
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
I have been praying in tongues - the spirit - for forty years this October. Often after praying for a good while (we are told by brother Paul to pray and sing both in the spirit, tongues that is, and with our understanding) in the spirit the Lord will give you scriptures, a word or insight to scriptures or some problem you've been dealing with or etc. It's a wonderful thing and I know that through this gift the Holy Spirit has us shown many things and brought down works of the enemy.
It really is distressing to see so much of the body of Christ deprived of the gift of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues by unbelief and tradition. The foolish things of the world it is written are used by God to pull down the fleshly wisdom of men. He takes ignorant men such as I was and he's them to broadcast his wonderful message. Denominational tradition and men having not the Holy Spirit or the gift, many not even saved, teach against the word of God. America's churches are in a sad state. We need Revival. When God's spirit sweeps in you won't have to ask if it's real. Amen
The Holy Spirit is the powerful helper Jesus promised us. Jesus is the baptizer. Every instance of men being baptized in the Holy Spirit in the new testament they are given the gift of tongues. All of those on the day of Pentecost were already believers. Those men in Acts chapter 19 that were brought to paul were already believers. Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit SINCE they believed. They hadn't. They received the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues.
In Acts chapter 10 Cornelius and the gentiles with him, were baptized in the Holy Spirit (He fell on them as Peter preached) and began to speak in tongues. Afterwards they were water baptized. The Lord saved me at home, baptized me in the Holy Spirit at home and some time later I was water baptized when we joined a church that taught the Holy Spirit baptism.
As Paul, I can only speak the things I've seen and heard and experienced as they agree completely with the written word. Everything God gives us is for the good of the believer, is for us His children. I would urge all believers to simply follow these new testament believers in Acts 17 and not traditions of men or denominations.
Acts 17:11-13 (NKJV)
11 These were MORE FAIR-MINDED than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and SEARCHED the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
12 Therefore MANY of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.
13 BUT when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
Brothers and sisters, follow those in verse 11, not those in verse 13. Amen
And I think that I also have the spirit of God, Amen
Please explain your ignorance ... have you read post # 124 by Frank Lee?
1Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
That is a pretty good start!
1Corinthians 2:
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things,
yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.
Thus the indwelling Holy Spirit prays on our behalf directly to God the Son and God the Father
for our benefit, our needs, our faith, our salvation, and so much more.
When a true worshipper prays in new or other tongues then they activate the power
of the Holy Ghost within themselves and our chaff is burned up over time and our works of
the flesh are diminished and overcome.
Read Romans 8
1Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
That is a pretty good start!
1Corinthians 2:
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things,
yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.
Thus the indwelling Holy Spirit prays on our behalf directly to God the Son and God the Father
for our benefit, our needs, our faith, our salvation, and so much more.
When a true worshipper prays in new or other tongues then they activate the power
of the Holy Ghost within themselves and our chaff is burned up over time and our works of
the flesh are diminished and overcome.
Read Romans 8
When I compare this against what Christ did in the garden I get a true picture of what all this Pentecostal and charismatic stuff really represents. Jesus prayed and sweat as it were great drops of blood. Laboring in prayer glorifies God.
Paul was writing to the Corinthians to correct them not to laud them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Paul was writing to the Corinthians to correct them not to laud them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Prophecy is for the believer .The seeking of signs before a person believes are designed for those who rebel , called natural unconverted man or what Jesus calls an evil generation. (no faith)
so that the tongues are for "a sign", not to the believing, but to the unbelieving; and the prophesy [is] not for the unbelieving, but for the believing,1 Cor 14;22
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Tongues are for a sign against those who do not believe prophecy. No such thing as an outward sign gift. We walk by faith the unseen not by sight after some experience we have in this life.
Verse two below is not promoting when one man speaks the other has no idea of what the first is saying. The idea of self-edification is a form of false pride.
2 for he who is speaking in an [unknown] tongue -- to men he doth not speak, but to God, for no one doth hearken, and in spirit he doth speak secrets;1 Cor 14
If a person being moved to bring prophecy speaks in a language foreign to the one being spoken to the one spoken to will be as a Barbarian. And when he in return tries to commune with the one bringing the first prophecy and says I have no understanding , Then he would be a cave man to him . Two cave men sitting there not understanding the noises of each other. UGH UGH
if, then, I do not know the power of the voice, I shall be to him who is speaking a foreigner, and he who is speaking, is to me a foreigner;1 cor 14:11
It’s the same thing that those who the sign spoke of a rebels in respect to the apostate Jew they also required a sign before they would believe making the cross without effect. They have received their reward of false pride.
For who seeks after that in which they already believe they have other than those who have no faith..
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
so that the tongues are for "a sign", not to the believing, but to the unbelieving; and the prophesy [is] not for the unbelieving, but for the believing,1 Cor 14;22
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Tongues are for a sign against those who do not believe prophecy. No such thing as an outward sign gift. We walk by faith the unseen not by sight after some experience we have in this life.
Verse two below is not promoting when one man speaks the other has no idea of what the first is saying. The idea of self-edification is a form of false pride.
2 for he who is speaking in an [unknown] tongue -- to men he doth not speak, but to God, for no one doth hearken, and in spirit he doth speak secrets;1 Cor 14
If a person being moved to bring prophecy speaks in a language foreign to the one being spoken to the one spoken to will be as a Barbarian. And when he in return tries to commune with the one bringing the first prophecy and says I have no understanding , Then he would be a cave man to him . Two cave men sitting there not understanding the noises of each other. UGH UGH
if, then, I do not know the power of the voice, I shall be to him who is speaking a foreigner, and he who is speaking, is to me a foreigner;1 cor 14:11
It’s the same thing that those who the sign spoke of a rebels in respect to the apostate Jew they also required a sign before they would believe making the cross without effect. They have received their reward of false pride.
For who seeks after that in which they already believe they have other than those who have no faith..
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Especially when it comes with no interpretation, as they do not know what that tongue is doing when used privately.
Since God is not the author of confusion, then the real God's gift of tongues can only be of other men's lips to speak unto the people as it must comes with interpretation when used in the assembly and in a certain order too like 2 or 3 speak in tongues one by one and another interpret those tongues, but nobody does that. They certainly do not share that they do it the right way, but instead spend most of their time exhorting how tongues can be used it privately, gaining all those benefits but they cannot know what benefit they are actually receiving at the time they use that tongue privately.
So it does fall under the category of using tongues when it serves no practical purpose as you have posted, thus proving the Most High would never use tongues in that way les He be seen as the author of confusion which He is not; thus that tongue is not of Him; period.
Since God is not the author of confusion, then the real God's gift of tongues can only be of other men's lips to speak unto the people as it must comes with interpretation when used in the assembly and in a certain order too like 2 or 3 speak in tongues one by one and another interpret those tongues, but nobody does that. They certainly do not share that they do it the right way, but instead spend most of their time exhorting how tongues can be used it privately, gaining all those benefits but they cannot know what benefit they are actually receiving at the time they use that tongue privately.
So it does fall under the category of using tongues when it serves no practical purpose as you have posted, thus proving the Most High would never use tongues in that way les He be seen as the author of confusion which He is not; thus that tongue is not of Him; period.
He wouldn't. There are several practical uses for speaking in tongues.
1) God wants us to do it (1 Cor 14:5; Eph 6:18; Jude 20).
2) You are speaking divine secrets to God (1 Cor 14:2).
3) You are speaking the wonderful works of God, magnifying God (Acts 2:11; 10:46).
4) You are giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17).
5) You are edifying yourself (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20).
6) It is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:15).
1) God wants us to do it (1 Cor 14:5; Eph 6:18; Jude 20).
2) You are speaking divine secrets to God (1 Cor 14:2).
3) You are speaking the wonderful works of God, magnifying God (Acts 2:11; 10:46).
4) You are giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17).
5) You are edifying yourself (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20).
6) It is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:15).
Of course we do. Please see my previous post.
That is a direct contradiction of scripture.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Yes, when done in public, tongues must be interpreted so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5). Also, the person who speaks in tongues is to be the one to interpret (Again, 1 Cor 14:5). And tongues are to be done in order, one person at a time.
We do.
Some of us do.
Please read and believe what the Bible says a person is doing when he speaks in tongues.
Speaking in tongues serves several practical purposes.
You do not understand, nor do you want to understand.
That is a direct contradiction of scripture.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Yes, when done in public, tongues must be interpreted so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5). Also, the person who speaks in tongues is to be the one to interpret (Again, 1 Cor 14:5). And tongues are to be done in order, one person at a time.
We do.
Some of us do.
Please read and believe what the Bible says a person is doing when he speaks in tongues.
Speaking in tongues serves several practical purposes.
You do not understand, nor do you want to understand.
See all those benefits in using tongues privately that you claim out of context? How can you tell what that tongue is doing the last time you spoke in tongue for private use?
How is that not confusing for God to supposedly use tongues to speak unto you privately and then other times speak back unto God in prayer or giving of thanks? And yet God is not the author of confusion.
You can't prove what that tongue was doing the last time you had used tongues privately.
Therefore in context of 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, Paul wanted believers when they are zealous for spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesy starting in verse 1 , and began to explain why by comparing the gift of tongue against the gift of prophesy as that tongue in verse 2 is the same tongue talked about thru out that chapter as needing interpretations because the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people ( verse 20-21 ); not back to God for which you are in error for in taking those verses out of context.
"Unto God" phrase means that God understands it just as in verse 28, the man understands what he is saying as God does; not that he is speaking to himself like a crazy person. That is the image to avoid for the whole congregation as well as for the individual as a witness of Him in a fallen world, but you need to pray normally to Jesus at that throne of grace to ask Him if He is really okay with that supernatural tongue you are using and privately too.
How is that not confusing for God to supposedly use tongues to speak unto you privately and then other times speak back unto God in prayer or giving of thanks? And yet God is not the author of confusion.
You can't prove what that tongue was doing the last time you had used tongues privately.
Therefore in context of 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, Paul wanted believers when they are zealous for spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesy starting in verse 1 , and began to explain why by comparing the gift of tongue against the gift of prophesy as that tongue in verse 2 is the same tongue talked about thru out that chapter as needing interpretations because the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people ( verse 20-21 ); not back to God for which you are in error for in taking those verses out of context.
"Unto God" phrase means that God understands it just as in verse 28, the man understands what he is saying as God does; not that he is speaking to himself like a crazy person. That is the image to avoid for the whole congregation as well as for the individual as a witness of Him in a fallen world, but you need to pray normally to Jesus at that throne of grace to ask Him if He is really okay with that supernatural tongue you are using and privately too.
That doesn't fit the context. Paul contrasts edifying the church, which is good, with edifying the self, which is not as good. He does not even hint that self-edification is bad, just that it is not the best.
Further, Jude 20 says, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit", that is self-edification. Why would Jude advocate something sinful?
Prayer, study, and listening to preaching are all forms of self-edification. We do our part to build ourselves up so that we are more effective in our walk. Certainly, some will claim that their "superior" knowledge gives them authority, but that is a corruption. Those who edify themselves properly grow in humility as well as in knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
Further, Jude 20 says, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit", that is self-edification. Why would Jude advocate something sinful?
Prayer, study, and listening to preaching are all forms of self-edification. We do our part to build ourselves up so that we are more effective in our walk. Certainly, some will claim that their "superior" knowledge gives them authority, but that is a corruption. Those who edify themselves properly grow in humility as well as in knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
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God works in us with words that have meaning to both will and perform His good pleasure .
Divine secrets that even we know not of?
Wonderful works that come from understanding God or private secrets hidden from men.?
We give thanks by saying thanks.God understands all languages
5) You are edifying yourself (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20).
As in false pride?
Praying what thoughts in the spirit? In whose spirit?
Divine secrets that even we know not of?
Wonderful works that come from understanding God or private secrets hidden from men.?
We give thanks by saying thanks.God understands all languages
5) You are edifying yourself (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20).
As in false pride?
Praying what thoughts in the spirit? In whose spirit?
J
Paul is the Most High? the other 2 passages are praying in the spirit, one can pray in the spirit in their own language.
what secrets does the Most High not know that He needs us to tell Him?
we can praise the works of the Most High in our own language.
we can give thanks in our own language
one can improve themselves by praying in their own language
one can be in the spirit and still pray in their own language.
what secrets does the Most High not know that He needs us to tell Him?
we can praise the works of the Most High in our own language.
we can give thanks in our own language
one can improve themselves by praying in their own language
one can be in the spirit and still pray in their own language.
This takes us right back to the reason for the existence of spiritual gifts and how they should be exercised. An essential part of this teaching (as shown in 1 Corinthians 12-14) is that all believers are in one Body with Christ as the Head. Just as in the human body, all members are inter-dependent, so it must be within the Church. Therefore no spiritual gift has been given for self-edification, but always for the edification of others. In that way each one edifies someone else and is edified by someone else.
What was happening is Corinth was AN ABUSE OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS. Hence three chapters devoted to correcting the Corinthians, who had generally been designated by Paul as carnal. Modern tongues are also an abuse of spiritual gifts since they propagate the false idea that Christians who are filled with the Spirit must automatically speak in tongues. Which sets up a class system within the Church, with the non-tongues-speakers as inferior (not filled with the Spirit) to the "Spirit-filled" Christians.
What was happening is Corinth was AN ABUSE OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS. Hence three chapters devoted to correcting the Corinthians, who had generally been designated by Paul as carnal. Modern tongues are also an abuse of spiritual gifts since they propagate the false idea that Christians who are filled with the Spirit must automatically speak in tongues. Which sets up a class system within the Church, with the non-tongues-speakers as inferior (not filled with the Spirit) to the "Spirit-filled" Christians.
The part in bold is an unreasonable generalization. Not everyone who speaks in tongues believes that all Spirit-filled Christians must do so. Further, not all those who do so believe that Christians who don't are inferior.
When you generalize broadly like this, you are likely to step over the line into error. It is better to address specific beliefs or statements rather than assign wrongdoing to a broad class of people.
When you generalize broadly like this, you are likely to step over the line into error. It is better to address specific beliefs or statements rather than assign wrongdoing to a broad class of people.
For everybody wondering about tongues but yet do not speak in tongues; you do not need it. God prefers that you pray normally so that you know what you had prayed for so you can give genuine thanks normally to the Father in Jesus's name for known answers to prayers.
And you can be edified by the scripture and KNOW that you have been edified by the scripture whereas those who use tongues for self edification, do not know if they were praying or being self edified. See that as confusion? I do.
So don't feel like you are not complete in Christ or that you are lacking certain benefits from not speaking in tongues. You can give thanks; you can pray; you can read the scripture for edification; and you can grow for real that way in Christ.
Colossians 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 4:[SUP]2 [/SUP]Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;....[SUP]5 [/SUP]Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.........
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness......[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP] 25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Who would stop us from praying and the giving of thanks to God the Father in Jesus's name? The devil by way of tongues used privately where tongue speakers does not know what that tongue is doing for them to be really benefited by, and they are not, but cheating themselves of relating to God the Father personally thru the Lord Jesus Christ by His words & prayer.
And you can be edified by the scripture and KNOW that you have been edified by the scripture whereas those who use tongues for self edification, do not know if they were praying or being self edified. See that as confusion? I do.
So don't feel like you are not complete in Christ or that you are lacking certain benefits from not speaking in tongues. You can give thanks; you can pray; you can read the scripture for edification; and you can grow for real that way in Christ.
Colossians 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 4:[SUP]2 [/SUP]Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;....[SUP]5 [/SUP]Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.........
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness......[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP] 25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Who would stop us from praying and the giving of thanks to God the Father in Jesus's name? The devil by way of tongues used privately where tongue speakers does not know what that tongue is doing for them to be really benefited by, and they are not, but cheating themselves of relating to God the Father personally thru the Lord Jesus Christ by His words & prayer.
The origin of speaking in tongues is when people from other countries were when the believers were gathered in the midst of a crowd from many different countries.
Acts 2 New International Version (NIV)
The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
Acts 2 New International Version (NIV)
The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”