Speaking in tongues

[7seasrekeyed]

1 Corinthians 12:7-11
To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another a gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

1 Corinthians 12:27-30
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

Conclusion

As you can see from 1 Corinthians 12:7-11, each of us are given different gifts, for the common good of all. But all our gifts come from the one and the same Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:30 confirms that not all will speak in tongues.

If you cannot speak in tongues, it does not mean you are not filled with the Holy Spirit. It just means you do not have that particular gift. That's all.

(I found this response on a message forum and this is basically what I am saying and I copy/pasted to save time so I did not have to type it all out. it is not copyrighted or even original material)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Why do we have discussions? Why do we even bother?

it appears to me that what you are actually saying here, is that if someone does not believe just like you do, and you cannot convince them otherwise, they are not worth talking to

you might give that more consideration

 

[7seasrekeyed]

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

please note here that Paul says he would like ALL to speak in tongues but he does not say that ALL do speak in tongues. it is also clear that tongues are indicated as speaking to God and not to people so perhaps those who say otherwise should give that consideration it is in the Bible after all

6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

here Paul gives instruction because of the disorderly way tongues were being used in the meetings. as you continue to read you will see that Paul says DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. he does not put a time limit on it and he does not say it will pass away or will no longer be needed. that, is only going to happen when God steps into time and says 'enough'

13For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

I said in another post that I do often understand what it is I am praying about and I have actually had a word for a church...but in English...I might be praying in tongues but I do not give a message in tongues. this is also biblical

18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

20Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:

“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”

22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

do you see here what I have been saying regarding tongues being a sign? it does not say what some here are saying. the purpose was for unbelievers. so then, in this chapter we have revealed many uses for tongues and when the word prophecy is used, it is meant as FORTHTELLING a word from God...not future events. if someone speaks in a language understood by the congregation...home Bible study...whatever...by the power of the Holy Spirit, they ARE bypassing tongues and have the faith given by God to speak what He has laid on their heart. there should be others...as the chapter says...by 2 or 3...who will agree

Good Order in Worship

26What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

34Womenf should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.g

36Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.h

39Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

a person could just exhaust themselves trying to explain it all piecemeal, so I just put in the whole chapter and you can agree or disagree with the word

I Corinthians 14


( I see what Paul says here regarding women but we have enough threads on that one already so would those who wish all women to be silent kindly take it to one of those threads?)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Let the blind, the false teachers, the confused, and the ignorant, lead the blind.

who, in your opinion, needs this admonition

from what I can see, you are not exactly following the line of thought very well

for example, you seem to think I am trashing the gifts when I practice them and have written much about them

for another, you seem to want to garee stop talking

now if I am wrong there, you can correct me

 

[7seasrekeyed]

All Christians have the gift of God's interpretation, the Bible. God is no longer bringing any new revelations.

well, in my experience in my journey through this life, the Holy Spirit provides guidance, instruction, help in understanding the word...which is sometimes revelation in the sense that what you did not understand before the Holy Spirit makes clearer or reveals to you....

we also have the gift of words of knowledge..that is someone knowing what they could not possibly know by themself

that has happened to me a good number of times.

I stick within the parameters of scripture and do not follow dreams/visions/ or anything contrary to what is written, HOWEVER...

we can conduct ourselves by the word and have similar experiences as though living when these things were written as the Bible indicates that our lives should be lived by the Holy Spirit and not just out of our own understanding

 

[Noose]

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

please note here that Paul says he would like ALL to speak in tongues but he does not say that ALL do speak in tongues. it is also clear that tongues are indicated as speaking to God and not to people so perhaps those who say otherwise should give that consideration it is in the Bible after all

6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

here Paul gives instruction because of the disorderly way tongues were being used in the meetings. as you continue to read you will see that Paul says DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. he does not put a time limit on it and he does not say it will pass away or will no longer be needed. that, is only going to happen when God steps into time and says 'enough'

13For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

I said in another post that I do often understand what it is I am praying about and I have actually had a word for a church...but in English...I might be praying in tongues but I do not give a message in tongues. this is also biblical

18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

20Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:

“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”

22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

do you see here what I have been saying regarding tongues being a sign? it does not say what some here are saying. the purpose was for unbelievers. so then, in this chapter we have revealed many uses for tongues and when the word prophecy is used, it is meant as FORTHTELLING a word from God...not future events. if someone speaks in a language understood by the congregation...home Bible study...whatever...by the power of the Holy Spirit, they ARE bypassing tongues and have the faith given by God to speak what He has laid on their heart. there should be others...as the chapter says...by 2 or 3...who will agree

Good Order in Worship

26What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.


I Corinthians 14


( I see what Paul says here regarding women but we have enough threads on that one already so would those who wish all women to be silent kindly take it to one of those threads?)

You have done a good job of giving us what you think but these are only your thoughts because if all that can be put in summary, Paul is insisting on 'understanding' and verse 9 says it all:

1 Cor 14:9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

What does Paul mean with 'speak intelligible words with your tongue'?

 

[garee]

Paul and Peter raised the dead (i stand to be corrected)- so you are saying it is God who raised the dead through them; i agree with you and i would also say that it is God that heal through people and Peter and Paul spoke in tongues by the same God- so it is the same God that utters in new tongues through the people.
My question was very simple, why is it that in your church there's utterance of tongues but there's no raising of the dead; aren't they from the same God?

Paul and Peter raised the dead (i stand to be corrected)- so you are saying it is God who raised the dead through them; i agree with you and i would also say that it is God that heal through people and Peter and Paul spoke in tongues by the same God- so it is the same God that utters in new tongues through the people.
My question was very simple, why is it that in your church there's utterance of tongues but there's no raising of the dead; aren't they from the same God?
Good question. I would offer that the time of reformation must be considered as to the change of government. Like that of the Exodus a historically true parable of salvation.... Exiting the world under the control of the father of this world using the Pharaoh to represent the father of lies not seen as the spirit of the antichrist ...heading for the promised land.
Same kind of condition of the first century reformation the introduction of the new restored government.

Deuteronomy 26:8And the Lord brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:

Signs are against those who believe not prophecy (God's word). Those who were trusting prophecy in that example as well as the reformation knew the promise was near.

Jesus clearly said its an evil generation (natural man) that does seek after a signs and wonders gospel . whet is occring today is the father of lies in brining lying sign and wonder . New prophecy has ceased what we had in part till the last word in Revelation today we have the whole . why go above that which is written ?

While those who mix what God say with faith are given the spiritual understand hid from natural man that walks by sight.
A good w example is given in Luke.All the metaphors(blind see, lame walk,dead are raised etc in that parable point to the power of the gospel

Luke 7:22Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

John was not asking Christ to come rescue him. John had some doubt of who Christ was and his purpose. He was not hoping Christ would heal him by attaching his head back on his body only to die a little latter. He heard the good news as to the fulfillment of the prophecy

The gospel is not that God temporally heals men only to die the next day, week or year.temproal healing have nothing to do with the gospel . God heals in discriminately. He is not served by human hands

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf "hear the words of the book", and the eyes of the blind shall see out of

The fulfilment..

John 9:39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not (no faith) might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

 

[garee]

well, in my experience in my journey through this life, the Holy Spirit provides guidance, instruction, help in understanding the word...which is sometimes revelation in the sense that what you did not understand before the Holy Spirit makes clearer or reveals to you....

we also have the gift of words of knowledge..that is someone knowing what they could not possibly know by themself

that has happened to me a good number of times.

I stick within the parameters of scripture and do not follow dreams/visions/ or anything contrary to what is written, HOWEVER...

we can conduct ourselves by the word and have similar experiences as though living when these things were written as the Bible indicates that our lives should be lived by the Holy Spirit and not just out of our own understanding

Well said . Experience is personal as we seek His approval. But we do not know God after our experiences rather than as it is written alone , But continue to walk in a living hope waiting for our new incorruptible bodies in the new heavens and earth

For who hopes for something they already have by making a noise, falling backward etc ?we have a living hope as Christ our confidence .

Galatians 3:3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Chris

 

[notuptome]

let me add to this (apart from my cynicism of late last night which I would still write even with the sun up )

hello!! Paul was Jewish and dealing with a revelation from a someone he thought was dead who had also lived as a Jew and Paul had been persecuting the Jews

who should he have gone to first? it was not Paul's custom to do anything but persecute the Jews who believed in Jesus. He did confer with the other Apostles who had been with Jesus physically and it was agreed his teaching was genuine

now as for you saying he went to the Gentiles because the Jews rejected him? well this is what Paul says about it himself:


1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

when Paul says 'through him' he is referring, of course, to Jesus (v. 1-4) and what does he say? he says that he received grace and apostleship. for what? to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name's sake (and so on)

Paul was sent to the Gentiles by Christ.

he did not go to the Gentiles because the Jews rejected him

it's plainly and simply written in Paul's own words and frankly, once again, you manage to come up with your own version of the events

I will just let scripture speak for itself as anyone can read why Paul went to the Gentiles. It's really not up for debate

If we read about the missionary journeys of Paul we see that he went into the synagogues to preach to the Jews. After they tossed him out he preached outside and many Jews and Gentiles got saved. Look what Paul writes in Romans wishing he could give himself up that his brethren the Jews would get saved.

Yes Paul persecuted the newly born church until he was converted on the road to Emmaus. Paul was used of God to bring Gentiles to Christ far more than the other apostles. That did not lessen the burden that Paul had for his own people the Jews.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

Doesn't help much, when people who practice so called 'true/real' tongues start arguing about real tongues.

lol yep. The idea of what is "real tongues" changes with who is for it as today biblically or it is not for today biblically.

I do not care if one think it is or not . The context of 1cor 12, 13, and 14 is not tongues But the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " And tongues is the only one out of 9 named we have issue with. If someone stand up or sits down and speaks a what is an unlearned language , that is not an easy think to do. Has anyone ever tried to make up language ? And to it this very strong as the KJV says Unction to speak out and when you do you are then wondering who is going to interpret or will that same unction inspire you to speak.
Once this has happen as strange as it is to the flesh and carnal mind, what is the result? It has been my experience the call for salvation and response to it was to a person what was said . They immediately jumped up after the interpretation and said I want to be saved.
This is only one of many and yes it is my experience. I am not asking to agree and it is ok if you don’t :”) the point is no matter what Gifts of the Holy Spirit is being used at the time , the end result is what will be judged . If they are in the flesh as times some do it is the job of the elders ( mature ) to correct them.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

lol yep. The idea of what is "real tongues" changes with who is for it as today biblically or it is not for today biblically.

I do not care if one think it is or not . The context of 1cor 12, 13, and 14 is not tongues But the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " And tongues is the only one out of 9 named we have issue with. If someone stand up or sits down and speaks a what is an unlearned language , that is not an easy think to do. Has anyone ever tried to make up language ? And to it this very strong as the KJV says Unction to speak out and when you do you are then wondering who is going to interpret or will that same unction inspire you to speak.
Once this has happen as strange as it is to the flesh and carnal mind, what is the result? It has been my experience the call for salvation and response to it was to a person what was said . They immediately jumped up after the interpretation and said I want to be saved.
This is only one of many and yes it is my experience. I am not asking to agree and it is ok if you don’t :”) the point is no matter what Gifts of the Holy Spirit is being used at the time , the end result is what will be judged . If they are in the flesh as times some do it is the job of the elders ( mature ) to correct them.

yes

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If we read about the missionary journeys of Paul we see that he went into the synagogues to preach to the Jews. After they tossed him out he preached outside and many Jews and Gentiles got saved. Look what Paul writes in Romans wishing he could give himself up that his brethren the Jews would get saved.

Yes Paul persecuted the newly born church until he was converted on the road to Emmaus. Paul was used of God to bring Gentiles to Christ far more than the other apostles. That did not lessen the burden that Paul had for his own people the Jews.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger (sigh)

do you or not agree with Romans 1 where Paul indicates he was SENT to the Gentiles and called to do so by God?

that, is the issue of why he went to the Gentiles

 

[Noose]

lol yep. The idea of what is "real tongues" changes with who is for it as today biblically or it is not for today biblically.

I do not care if one think it is or not . The context of 1cor 12, 13, and 14 is not tongues But the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " And tongues is the only one out of 9 named we have issue with. If someone stand up or sits down and speaks a what is an unlearned language , that is not an easy think to do. Has anyone ever tried to make up language ? And to it this very strong as the KJV says Unction to speak out and when you do you are then wondering who is going to interpret or will that same unction inspire you to speak.
Once this has happen as strange as it is to the flesh and carnal mind, what is the result? It has been my experience the call for salvation and response to it was to a person what was said . They immediately jumped up after the interpretation and said I want to be saved.
This is only one of many and yes it is my experience. I am not asking to agree and it is ok if you don’t :”) the point is no matter what Gifts of the Holy Spirit is being used at the time , the end result is what will be judged . If they are in the flesh as times some do it is the job of the elders ( mature ) to correct them.

And my thinking is that these (whatever you are saying) is not happening today, it ceased in the 1st century for reasons i have already explained. What is happening today is not real- i'm not trashing your experience but is not in our position to claim that a person is saved. Salvation is something that is purely in someone's heart- we can not say he is saved and this other one is not saved. Likewise, no one can claim that they want to get saved, salvation is God's doing.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Well said . Experience is personal as we seek His approval. But we do not know God after our experiences rather than as it is written alone , But continue to walk in a living hope waiting for our new incorruptible bodies in the new heavens and earth

For who hopes for something they already have by making a noise, falling backward etc ?we have a living hope as Christ our confidence .

Galatians 3:3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Chris

well, I think I am beginning to understand you better

yes experience is personal...and God reveals Himself personally

I would disagree with where you say we do not know God after our experiences. I have had some that have really clarified God for me. His love, His patience and so on

I do not believe we are perfected by what we do, but rather in Him who has accomplished our salvation...but even so...each day we make decisions as to how that is worked out in our personal lives

 

[PS]

Paul and Peter raised the dead (i stand to be corrected)- so you are saying it is God who raised the dead through them; i agree with you and i would also say that it is God that heal through people and Peter and Paul spoke in tongues by the same God- so it is the same God that utters in new tongues through the people.
My question was very simple, why is it that in your church there's utterance of tongues but there's no raising of the dead; aren't they from the same God?

Seeing as it is God who does the work, then maybe you could ask Him when you see him. Maybe the raising of the dead was for a sign to the people of the day? I really do not know.

 

[PS]

The disagreement begins when men attach another foundation to the law of tongues other than that of Isaiah 28 . Making it about something they can seek after as if God was served by human hands.

The law of Isaiah 28 is repeated in 1 Corinthians 14 making the deeds of the flesh without effect. No man can serve two masters both the flesh and the new born again spirit of grace.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe(God) , but to them that believe not: (God) but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14: 21-22

The mystery to me is how and why do men turn the law upside down so that can serve the flesh when faced with the word of God like in the portion above again....."not to them that believe, but to them that believe not."

Our agreement is with God and not us. He is fully capable of setting it straight when he divides the sheep from the goats in the end .

Scripture defines the us in Christ. We all have the same fullness of the Holy Spirit .(one body)

Its his loving commandment that moves us to study by seeking His approval. In that way there must be heresies as private interpretations of men called person commentaries .God would never have us seek after the approval of men .That describes the spirit of the antichrists(many)

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


Again God does not give partial power, or grace .Not like a gas tank running on fumes... and a person better work a miracle, make a noise or fall backward and fill it to the brim .Its never about the feelings of the flesh

2 Corinthians 4:7 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us

The problem as I see it is men either refuse to "mix faith" in what they hear coming from prophecy or have not learned what it means to "mix faith" when hearing the gospel, the spiritual meaning is hid from natural man the sign seekers .

In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to the unbelieving: but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to them that believe. (1Co 14:21-22)

It says quite clearly that tongues are a sign to unbelievers, and prophesying in tongues is for believers. So if you believe, you or at least your church should be prophesying in tongues.

 

[PS]

And my thinking is that these (whatever you are saying) is not happening today, it ceased in the 1st century for reasons i have already explained. What is happening today is not real- i'm not trashing your experience but is not in our position to claim that a person is saved. Salvation is something that is purely in someone's heart- we can not say he is saved and this other one is not saved. Likewise, no one can claim that they want to get saved, salvation is God's doing.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (Joh 14:16 KJV)

 

[shrume]

................Likewise, no one can claim that they want to get saved, salvation is God's doing.

So you're a Calvinist too?

Acts 16:
30) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[Noose]

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (Joh 14:16 KJV)

When the comforter came to the disciples, He manifest and was physically symbolized by what looked like a tongue of fire on each one of them, what about you?
That's exactly my point, the physical manifestation in signs and wonders ceased in the 1st century and that includes the speaking of tongues, if you want claim that what is happening today is genuine, you'll also have to explain other physical manifestations that don't happen today.

 

[notuptome]

lol yep. The idea of what is "real tongues" changes with who is for it as today biblically or it is not for today biblically.

I do not care if one think it is or not . The context of 1cor 12, 13, and 14 is not tongues But the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " And tongues is the only one out of 9 named we have issue with. If someone stand up or sits down and speaks a what is an unlearned language , that is not an easy think to do. Has anyone ever tried to make up language ? And to it this very strong as the KJV says Unction to speak out and when you do you are then wondering who is going to interpret or will that same unction inspire you to speak.
Once this has happen as strange as it is to the flesh and carnal mind, what is the result? It has been my experience the call for salvation and response to it was to a person what was said . They immediately jumped up after the interpretation and said I want to be saved.
This is only one of many and yes it is my experience. I am not asking to agree and it is ok if you don’t :”) the point is no matter what Gifts of the Holy Spirit is being used at the time , the end result is what will be judged . If they are in the flesh as times some do it is the job of the elders ( mature ) to correct them.

Sort of but not entirely. The context is proper use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. There are as you say nine but three are slated to go away. Yes tongues are one of the three.

Tongues in Acts did not require an interpreter. In Corinth they require an interpreter. Tongues at the end of the day are languages. Paul was likely multi lingual. Paul would have learned Hebrew, Aramaic Greek, and Latin.

Paul chides those who claim unknown tongues as unfruitful and speaking into the air. Lots of stuff going on in Corinth that was not present in Acts. Barely mentioned by Jesus if you accept the long ending of Mark. Paul chides Gentiles over their tendency toward idolatry.

For the cause of Christ
Roger