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The persons who died and are lost way before oour time did they die or worship the beast ?
It would be good for you to reword that question and ask Zone because of how she believes.
 
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Isdaniel said:
Elin said:
My offer was for three from the ceremonial laws.
Ceremonial or sacrificial law of Moses

1. Was spoken by Moses t o the children of Israel (Deuteronomy 1:1-6).

2. Was written by Moses “in a book” (Deuteronomy 31:24).

3Was place in the side of the ark Deu 31:26

15. Was “appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator or Moses”
(Galatians 3:19).


please note the person who wrote it the placement and the how it was spoken
Now, to the business at hand.

I will also note its author.

First of all, the ceremonial laws included more than the sacrifices,
they also included the food laws and the purification laws.

1) The ceremonial laws were spoken by God to Moses (Lev 1:1, 4:1, 5:14, 6:1, 8, 19, 24,
7:22, 28, 8:1, 11:1, 12:1, 13:1, 14:1, 33, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1, 18:1, 19:1, 20:1, 21:1, 16,
22:1, 17, 26, 23:1, 9, 23, 26, 33, 24:1, 13, 25:1, 27:1), who then spoke them to the people.

The ceremonial laws did not originate with Moses, their author and giver is God.

2) Scripture does not state that Moses wrote in a book the ceremonial laws in Leviticus,
which were given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22; Lev 1:1).

Scriptures states that Moses wrote down everything the Lord had said on the mountain
in Ex 20-24 (Ex 24:4).

3) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus which were given in the Tabernacle were not placed beside the Ark.

The renewal of the law by Moses in the wilderness of Moab was placed beside the Ark.

15) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22, Lev 1:1) were not mediated
by angels.

You should know this.
 
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What it means to love God and To love your neighbour





First four God and Man

last six Man to man neighbour to neighbour
Matthew 22:36-40

King James Version (KJV)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
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Now, to the business at hand.

I will also note its author.

First of all, the ceremonial laws included more than the sacrifices,
they also included the food laws and the purification laws.

1) The ceremonial laws were spoken by God to Moses (Lev 1:1, 4:1, 5:14, 6:1, 8, 19, 24,
7:22, 28, 8:1, 11:1, 12:1, 13:1, 14:1, 33, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1, 18:1, 19:1, 20:1, 21:1, 16,
22:1, 17, 26, 23:1, 9, 23, 26, 33, 24:1, 13, 25:1, 27:1), who then spoke them to the people.

The ceremonial laws did not originate with Moses, their author and giver is God.

2) Scripture does not state that Moses wrote in a book the ceremonial laws in Leviticus,
which were given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22; Lev 1:1).

Scriptures states that Moses wrote down everything the Lord had said on the mountain
in Ex 20-24 (Ex 24:4).

3) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus which were given in the Tabernacle were not placed beside the Ark.

The renewal of the law by Moses in the wilderness of Moab was placed beside the Ark.

15) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22, Lev 1:1) were not mediated
by angels.

You should know this.

Where does the law of circucision falls ?
 
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Now, to the business at hand.

I will also note its author.

First of all, the ceremonial laws included more than the sacrifices,
they also included the food laws and the purification laws.

1) The ceremonial laws were spoken by God to Moses (Lev 1:1, 4:1, 5:14, 6:1, 8, 19, 24,
7:22, 28, 8:1, 11:1, 12:1, 13:1, 14:1, 33, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1, 18:1, 19:1, 20:1, 21:1, 16,
22:1, 17, 26, 23:1, 9, 23, 26, 33, 24:1, 13, 25:1, 27:1), who then spoke them to the people.

The ceremonial laws did not originate with Moses, their author and giver is God.

2) Scripture does not state that Moses wrote in a book the ceremonial laws in Leviticus,
which were given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22; Lev 1:1).

Scriptures states that Moses wrote down everything the Lord had said on the mountain
in Ex 20-24 (Ex 24:4).

3) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus which were given in the Tabernacle were not placed beside the Ark.

The renewal of the law by Moses in the wilderness of Moab was placed beside the Ark.

15) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22, Lev 1:1) were not mediated
by angels.

You should know this.
When and what place were the ceremonial laws first spoken to Moses by God
 
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What it means to love God and To love your neighbour





First four God and Man

last six Man to man neighbour to neighbour
Matthew 22:36-40

King James Version (KJV)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Agreed. . .

If I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols, nor fail to assemble to worship him.

If I love my parents, I will not dishonor them.

If I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.

Love fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6, 14).
 
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Elin said:
Now, to the business at hand.

I will also note its author.

First of all, the ceremonial laws included more than the sacrifices,
they also included the food laws and the purification laws.

1) The ceremonial laws were spoken by God to Moses (Lev 1:1, 4:1, 5:14, 6:1, 8, 19, 24,
7:22, 28, 8:1, 11:1, 12:1, 13:1, 14:1, 33, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1, 18:1, 19:1, 20:1, 21:1, 16,
22:1, 17, 26, 23:1, 9, 23, 26, 33, 24:1, 13, 25:1, 27:1), who then spoke them to the people.

The ceremonial laws did not originate with Moses, their author and giver is God.

2) Scripture does not state that Moses wrote in a book the ceremonial laws in Leviticus,
which were given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22; Lev 1:1).

Scriptures states that Moses wrote down everything the Lord had said on the mountain
in Ex 20-24 (Ex 24:4).

3) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus which were given in the Tabernacle were not placed beside the Ark.

The renewal of the law by Moses in the wilderness of Moab was placed beside the Ark.

15) The ceremonial laws of Leviticus given in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:22, Lev 1:1) were not mediated
by angels.

You should know this.
When and what place were the ceremonial laws first spoken to Moses by God
Answered above. . .pay attention.

The ceremonial laws in Leviticus were given after Sinai and before the people refused to go into Canaan,
when everything was then put on hold for 40 years until that generation died,
and then Deuteronomy was given at the end of their 39-year sojourn, before going into Canaan.

You should know this.

If you are asking these questions to sort out your own understanding, for whatever reason, I am available to discuss them.

If you are asking these questions just for the sake of argument, I am not interested.
 
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Agreed. . .

If I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols, nor fail to assemble to worship him.

If I love my parents, I will not dishonor them.

If I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.

Love fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6, 14).
But you keep telling us it does away with the Law. Paul says we establidh the Law...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Which Law is he speaking to?

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

What Law is holy and just and good?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

What Law contains the tenth Commandment? What Law contains these Commandments...


Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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But you keep telling us it does away with the Law. Paul says we establidh the Law...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Which Law is he speaking to?

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

What Law is holy and just and good?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

What Law contains the tenth Commandment? What Law contains these Commandments...


Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

She is confusing herself seriously i think she does not even understand what she is posting no disrepect to her like her zeal but wisdom hmmmmmmm
 
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Answered above. . .pay attention.

The ceremonial laws in Leviticus were given after Sinai and before the people refused to go into Canaan,
when everything was then put on hold for 40 years until that generation died,
and then Deuteronomy was given at the end of their 39-year sojourn, before going into Canaan.

You should know this.

If you are asking these questions to sort out your own understanding, for whatever reason, I am available to discuss them.

If you are asking these questions just for the sake of argument, I am not interested.

lets see what the bible says when the first ceremonial laws were given

Mark this well the tabernacle hmmmmm

Exodus 24:7And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.


[h=3]Hebrews 9:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

 
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To Elin

[h=3]Deuteronomy 4:5-14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lordour God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thylife: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when theLord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.
11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14 And the Lord commanded me at that time ( the same time on the mount ) to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.



You will note the first set of precepts and statutes were given on Mt Sinai at the same time the law was given

God gave Moses the tables of stone while the angel gave Moses the book for the services of the tabernacle
 
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Agreed. . .

If I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols, nor fail to assemble to worship him.

If I love my parents, I will not dishonor them.

If I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.

Love fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6, 14).
If your neighbor was your enemy and they ask you to walk with them a mile down the road, would you do it and walk with them an additional mile if they asked? Do you love you neighbor? If your neighbor was your enemy and asked you for 100 dollars to buy some food, would you give it to them and give them more if they asked without expecting anything in return? Do you love your neighbor as yourself? If a wicked and evil man spent all his days as a drunk and causing trouble in your neighborhood, if he asked you for mercy would you give it without demanding any change on his part? Do we love the unlovely? Do we give more abundant grace to those who weakest and need it the most? Is our love so unconditional that we would take the blame for the guilt of another, knowing that is exactly what Christ did on the cross when he was judged through death for our sins? Do we know the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of the Father that sent him?
 
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[h=2]What is the Ceremonial Law?[/h]When God
led
the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, He delivered to them in fiery majesty the Ten Commandments. This Holy law was spoken by God, written by God, recorded on tables of stone, and is of eternal duration.

At the same time the ceremonial law, of temporary usage, was also delivered to the children of Israel. This law dealt with the ceremonial rites of the Jewish sanctuary
service
, and concerned itself with a system of religion that passed away at the cross. Large sections of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy describe in detail this temporary law.

The ceremonial law can easily be identified in scripture. It talks about circumcision (a
religious Jewish
rite), sacrifices, offerings, purifications, holy days and other rites associated with the Hebrew sanctuary service.
 
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If the Israelite sinned, he broke the first law. To make atonement for his sin he had to obey the second law. As can be clearly seen, here are two very distinct laws of which this fact is unmistakable. Jesus Christ permanently took the place of law number 2 when He cried out “It is finished” and bowed His head and died. When the unseen hand tore the temple curtain from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51), this signified that this sacrificial law system was once and for all time nailed to the cross.
 
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If the Israelite sinned, he broke the first law. To make atonement for his sin he had to obey the second law. As can be clearly seen, here are two very distinct laws of which this fact is unmistakable. Jesus Christ permanently took the place of law number 2 when He cried out “It is finished” and bowed His head and died. When the unseen hand tore the temple curtain from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51), this signified that this sacrificial law system was once and for all time nailed to the cross.
Is that what GOD's grace is to you? Jesus dying a brutal death simply so you won't have to pay anything for your animal sacrifices?
 
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Is that what GOD's grace is to you? Jesus dying a brutal death simply so you won't have to pay anything for your animal sacrifices?
you need to stop drink sour milk Sunday keeper hmmm What did Jesus die for in the first place hmmmm think think oppps that is to hard for you to do ok lets see i think it is because of sin hmmmm but wait is that not breakinh the law hmmmm
 
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Is that what GOD's grace is to you? Jesus dying a brutal death simply so you won't have to pay anything for your animal sacrifices?

this is what you asked for ok

here we go and that is just one in the Nt

Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, orto do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
 
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Elin said:
Agreed. . .

If I love God, I will not take his name in vain, nor worship idols, nor fail to assemble to worship him.

If I love my parents, I will not dishonor them.

If I love my neighbors, I will not steal from them, nor murder them,
nor commit adultery with their spouses, nor lust after their possessions.

Love fulfills (accomplishes) the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6, 14).
If your neighbor was your enemy and they ask you to walk with them a mile down the road, would you do it and walk with them an additional mile if they asked?
For what reason?

I also wouldn't clean his pool, nor go to the ball game with him.

Do you love you neighbor? If your neighbor was your enemy and asked you for 100 dollars to buy some food, would you give it to them and give them more if they asked without expecting anything in return?
If he needed money for food, I would take him to the grocery store and I would pay for the food he needed.

Do you love your neighbor as yourself? If a wicked and evil man spent all his days as a drunk and causing trouble in your neighborhood, if he asked you for mercy would you give it without demanding any change on his part?
What mercy?

What authority do I have for which I would grant mercy?

Do we love the unlovely? Do we give more abundant grace to those who weakest and need it the most?
You've got me confused with someone else.

In the Biblical sense, grace is not mine to give.

Is our love so unconditional that we would take the blame for the guilt of another, knowing that is exactly what Christ did on the cross when he was judged through death for our sins?
Biblically, 'tis not my job to take anyone's guilt.

God has assigned that job to one person only, and it isn't me.

Do we know the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of the Father that sent him?
These are your man-made notions of love, they are not God's notions.

You want to be holier than God.
 
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But you keep telling us it does away with the Law. Paul says we establidh the Law...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Pay attention.

Already covered this with you here, after second quote.

You like to go 'round the same bush repeatedly.

Not interested.