Stop all the rules about Christian dating. 1 Corinthians 7:25

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Cameron143

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If they are not angels, who are the sons of GOD in this verse? Please don't say it's the line of Cain marrying the line of Seth. That would mean the daughters of Cain must have been ugly.
I believe they just men. I noticed you didn't address the rest of what I wrote.
Not just Calvary, but pastors I've heard online. Telling singles to wait on GOD's perfect choice for you. GOD does not choose your spouse. No where in the scripture does it say that. If a multi millionaire walked into a church, many of the woman would say that's GOD's perfect choice for her. Having Christians tell me if you as a single person even think you sex you have sinned. That is ridiculous. If thinking about sex is the same as having sex, you may as well go out and have sex. They are teaching things that actually keep people apart.
Matthew 5:27-28...Ye have heard it said of them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultry: But I say unto you whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
 

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I believe they just men. I noticed you didn't address the rest of what I wrote.

Matthew 5:27-28...Ye have heard it said of them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adulatory: But I say unto you whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
If you're going to interpret that as just thinking about sex is a sin, you may as well go out and have sex. Jesus was talking about adultery,. Adultery is about having sex with someone who is not your spouse. It's not about 2 single people. The Greek word for a single woman and married woman is the same. Look at the context of what he said,
 

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People have that union even if they are not married.
Actually, if they have that union, that makes them married. Biblical marriage is not standing in front of a minister and saying vows. Biblical marriage is the sexual union of two becoming one flesh.
 

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If you're going to interpret that as just thinking about sex is a sin, you may as well go out and have sex. Jesus was talking about adultery,. Adultery is about having sex with someone who is not your spouse. It's not about 2 single people. The Greek word for a single woman and married woman is the same. Look at the context of what he said,
Perhaps another explanation is in order as I believe your understanding comes from to narrow a focus.
What was God's original design in marriage and procreation?
Having made man in His image He gave them the command to be fruitful and multiply. Why? To fulfill His purpose as stated in Habakkuk 2:14...For the earth shall be filled with the glory of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. How would this come to be? As the image of the LORD was proliferated by mankind so would the knowledge of God expand until the earth was full of His glory. Obviously this planned had to be altered as sin entered the equation and the image of God was marred in man.
The point I'm attempting to make is that your concerns about intimacy are in the flesh. Your desire is not to see God glorified but to fulfill your fleshly desires.
You mentioned others who have sought to be helpful. My opinion is that they were very well meaning and truly desirous of helping you. When they said that you should wait upon the Lord to choose a mate for you, they were probably thinking about Proverbs 3:5-6. Here we are exhorted to trust the Lord in all things and He will direct our paths.
I truly hope you will at least attempt to understand my line of reasoning and at least prayerfully consider this post.
 

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Perhaps another explanation is in order as I believe your understanding comes from to narrow a focus.
What was God's original design in marriage and procreation?
Having made man in His image He gave them the command to be fruitful and multiply. Why? To fulfill His purpose as stated in Habakkuk 2:14...For the earth shall be filled with the glory of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. How would this come to be? As the image of the LORD was proliferated by mankind so would the knowledge of God expand until the earth was full of His glory. Obviously this planned had to be altered as sin entered the equation and the image of God was marred in man.
The point I'm attempting to make is that your concerns about intimacy are in the flesh. Your desire is not to see God glorified but to fulfill your fleshly desires.
You mentioned others who have sought to be helpful. My opinion is that they were very well meaning and truly desirous of helping you. When they said that you should wait upon the Lord to choose a mate for you, they were probably thinking about Proverbs 3:5-6. Here we are exhorted to trust the Lord in all things and He will direct our paths.
I truly hope you will at least attempt to understand my line of reasoning and at least prayerfully consider this post.
It is not good for man to be alone, GOD said this when there was just him and Adam., and there was no sin. You don't get much closer than that. This was GOD saying....."I GOD alone am not enough for man"
 

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It is not good for man to be alone, GOD said this when there was just him and Adam., and there was no sin. You don't get much closer than that. This was GOD saying....."I GOD alone am not enough for man"
I appreciate you sharing. Psalm 23 actually says otherwise in verse 1...the Lord is my Shepherd...I shall not want. Blessings.
 

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I appreciate you sharing. Psalm 23 actually says otherwise in verse 1...the Lord is my Shepherd...I shall not want. Blessings.
So GOD was wrong in Genesis? or he changed his mind?
 

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I appreciate you sharing. Psalm 23 actually says otherwise in verse 1...the Lord is my Shepherd...I shall not want. Blessings.
David wrote Psalm 23, and he had 8 wives and many children.
 

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Neither. Your premise that God isn't sufficient for a person is wrong.
GOD said so himself....it is not good for man to be alone. GOD was with Adam and that wasn't enough for Adam.
 

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GOD said so himself....it is not good for man to be alone. GOD was with Adam and that wasn't enough for Adam.
It wasn't good because God couldn't fill the earth with His image if Adam was alone...not that God wasn't sufficient.
 

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Marriage is the sexual union of man and woman, two becoming one flesh.
Close.

The sexual union of a man and a woman creates a spousal relationship. Marriage is the public confession of that relationship.
 

John146

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Close.

The sexual union of a man and a woman creates a spousal relationship. Marriage is the public confession of that relationship.
Scripture please? Thanks.
 

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Close.

The sexual union of a man and a woman creates a spousal relationship. Marriage is the public confession of that relationship.
When Jacob slept with Leah that night mistakingly, they were marride, no public confession was needed.
 

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If everything reproduces after its own kind the sons of God cannot be referring to angels.
it is direct vs indirect. Angels and Adam were called the sons of God because God directly created them. In the old testament at various times talking to prophets God called them sons of man. He was calling them sons of Adam. As all of us born after Adam are a indirect creation of God but a direct creation of Adam or sons of man. As we are born of human hands. God is the creator, however, we are a indirect creation vs Adam was directly created of his hands.

When we are born again we become a direct creation of God and the Holy Spirit and why we are called the sons of God in the New Testament as God has created us. Why Nicodemus asked if we had to enter into again into our mothers womb. However, that is not the case as the new creation our spiritual rebirth is a direct creation by God himself and why there is a distinction in the bible of the use of sons of God and sons of men just shows the direct creation vs the indirect creation. When Christ comes for us we will receive a new body again a direct creation of God so that from body to spirit the whole man is new and a direct creation of God.

Reproduction is indirect or being reproduced is, but being born again is direct a direct production vs a reproduction. Not sure if you are a military person or have knowledge in that subject but we call infantry direct fire and artillery indirect fire. So is just a means of distinction so is the same for sons of God and sons of man just a distinction having to do with our old creation and our new creation. Just a distinction how we came to be and how we will come to be now after the price Christ paid.
 

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Scripture please? Thanks.
Would someone who had sex outside of marriage be married?

Why is a marriage not considered valid until the relationship is consummated?
 

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When Jacob slept with Leah that night mistakingly, they were marride, no public confession was needed.
This is an interesting read.

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We know that God does not equate sexual intercourse with marriage based on the fact that the Old Testament often distinguishes a wife from a concubine.

Also, 1 Corinthians 7:2 indicates that sex before marriage is immorality. If sexual intercourse causes a couple to become married, it could not be considered immoral, as the couple would be considered married the moment they engaged in sexual intercourse.

Some point to Genesis 24 and the story of Isaac and Rebekah as an example of a couple being married solely by sexual intercourse, without any type of ceremony. But the details that lead up the marriage reveal that a formal process was followed.
 

Cameron143

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it is direct vs indirect. Angels and Adam were called the sons of God because God directly created them. In the old testament at various times talking to prophets God called them sons of man. He was calling them sons of Adam. As all of us born after Adam are a indirect creation of God but a direct creation of Adam or sons of man. As we are born of human hands. God is the creator, however, we are a indirect creation vs Adam was directly created of his hands.

When we are born again we become a direct creation of God and the Holy Spirit and why we are called the sons of God in the New Testament as God has created us. Why Nicodemus asked if we had to enter into again into our mothers womb. However, that is not the case as the new creation our spiritual rebirth is a direct creation by God himself and why there is a distinction in the bible of the use of sons of God and sons of men just shows the direct creation vs the indirect creation. When Christ comes for us we will receive a new body again a direct creation of God so that from body to spirit the whole man is new and a direct creation of God.

Reproduction is indirect or being reproduced is, but being born again is direct a direct production vs a reproduction. Not sure if you are a military person or have knowledge in that subject but we call infantry direct fire and artillery indirect fire. So is just a means of distinction so is the same for sons of God and sons of man just a distinction having to do with our old creation and our new creation. Just a distinction how we came to be and how we will come to be now after the price Christ paid.
I appreciate the distinctions you made. Thanks for the edification
 

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This is an interesting read.

Excerpts:

We know that God does not equate sexual intercourse with marriage based on the fact that the Old Testament often distinguishes a wife from a concubine.

Also, 1 Corinthians 7:2 indicates that sex before marriage is immorality. If sexual intercourse causes a couple to become married, it could not be considered immoral, as the couple would be considered married the moment they engaged in sexual intercourse.

Some point to Genesis 24 and the story of Isaac and Rebekah as an example of a couple being married solely by sexual intercourse, without any type of ceremony. But the details that lead up the marriage reveal that a formal process was followed.
Mark 10
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.