We are to be light with all the attacks on this site you would think this a site for children of the world. We need to reach out in love. You can state what you believe in a loving way. Please think what you are doing to your brother and what you are showing nonbelievers. Would you want to be a Christian with all the hate going on in this site. Jesus was always kind when trying to help someone understand something.
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I agree completely. WAY too many people come here just to argue, and it really makes Christianity look bad. We are called to be Jesus' earthly ambassadors, and I don't see much of that going on in this part of the site. Too many vain disputes..........Seekers and young Christians are watching, people. Are all these arguments helping them accept Christ, or grow in Him?
Yeah, didn't think so.........
Yeah, didn't think so.........
I completely agree, this really turned into a war forum rather than a love forum. Many forums is one denomination against another denomination and divide and conquer (example: seems like those who are not a member of protestant Christianity are considered an enemy). I really wish we all can love one another regardless of denomination whether its christian or not. I definitely would not recommend this place to a lost person. This place used to be good in the early 21st century but it has really gone downhill
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I agree completely. WAY too many people come here just to argue, and it really makes Christianity look bad. We are called to be Jesus' earthly ambassadors, and I don't see much of that going on in this part of the site. Too many vain disputes..........Seekers and young Christians are watching, people. Are all these arguments helping them accept Christ, or grow in Him?
Yeah, didn't think so.........
Yeah, didn't think so.........
most debates if you watch the participants are either between seekers and young Christians. with maybe one or two "mature" Christians adding their knowledge to it (I still consider myself young. I think anyone under the age of 40 is young no matter when they became a Christian. it took 40 years for Moses at least in the desert)
Just because someone claims to be Christian for 30 years does not mean they are born again adopted Children of God being lead by the Holy Spirit.
Just a thought.
If you don't see much of Christian behavior happening around here, its because YOU have not been displaying it.
Grace forgives even those who fight and devour with their words
and Grace teaches them God's truth and how to WALK in the Spirit of God not just speak empty words.
Are you displaying grace not only with your words but your Thoughts?
2 Corinthians 10:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
PS. the "you" was directed at myself too. Just thoughts and ramblings... I'm going to read the rest of the responses now and apologized if it has already been said.
I'll ask for forgiveness if I offended and trust that all do the Christian thing and forgives me as God has instructed us to forgive others and ourselves. too often people hold unto guilt and forget to forgive themselves. which goes against that commandment too.
Who are you to accuse even yourself if GOD has said you are forgiven?
this song has been going through my head all day so I thought I'd share
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyc-M_Xv5TI[/video]
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This is my second day on this site, and I haven't yet seen any arguments only because I've only posted on the intro. and the singles forum so far. But I don't doubt there are arguments. I agree with Shilo and the rest-- that Christians exercise self-control and be slow to speak when impatience or upsetion (a word I made up is behind the speaking. Ananda mentioned that most who argue are new, young, not born again. Maybe Galatians 6:1 summarizes it best: "Brethren, if anyone is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness." The 'spiritual' are those mature or maturing in Christ who are patient and not given to arguing. As Trust quoted: "A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth" (2Tim. 2:24-25). The mature who know how to "speak a word in season" (Isa. 50:4) and intervene when people begin to argue and get hostile should do so. I hope this helps.
is behind the speaking. Ananda mentioned that most who argue are new, young, not born again. Maybe Galatians 6:1 summarizes it best: "Brethren, if anyone is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness." The 'spiritual' are those mature or maturing in Christ who are patient and not given to arguing. As Trust quoted: "A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth" (2Tim. 2:24-25). The mature who know how to "speak a word in season" (Isa. 50:4) and intervene when people begin to argue and get hostile should do so. I hope this helps.
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welcome to CC Allin
the mods help out but they follow this principle at times....
Luke 13:6-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’ 8 But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. 9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that[a] you can cut it down.’”
we have to remember the patience of God when we were lost in our trespasses and have patience and forgivness and gentleness with others when they stumble as God and others showed us His mercy and grace.
the mods help out but they follow this principle at times....
Luke 13:6-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’ 8 But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. 9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that[a] you can cut it down.’”
we have to remember the patience of God when we were lost in our trespasses and have patience and forgivness and gentleness with others when they stumble as God and others showed us His mercy and grace.
There is a very big difference between forgiveness and a petition to stop a certain behavior.
Very true.
Good verse.
Yay.
1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise your youth; but be an example of the believers, in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity."
I would like to use your own "logic" here, and point out that you are also under 30. But, we both know that doesn't matter... right?
Very true.
Good verse.
Yay.
1 Timothy 4:12 "Let no man despise your youth; but be an example of the believers, in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity."
I would like to use your own "logic" here, and point out that you are also under 30. But, we both know that doesn't matter... right?
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I believe God can use people no matter what the age but there are verses people tend to forget and there should be respect to the elderly that is sadly lacking in the younger generation.
1 Timothy 5
1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity.
So what is the difference between rebuke and exhortation?
I'm not sure if I can put it into words. maybe another day...
Truthfully only the Holy Spirit teaches spiritual things. we are just conversing and affirming and comforting one another with His Holy Words and seek Him.
God unction is given to certain people to give them the power of rebuke and not just exhortation. they are mature in Christ given the ministry, entrusted with the Gospel. Good under shepherds not hirelies that allow the sheep to be devoured. who look always to the Head: Christ. They have sound doctrine and are root deeply in the Holy Spirit and display the fruits of walking with Christ daily. From their hearts flow living water, with their words they bring rain to a parched soul and life to a barren heart.
we are all to exhort but there is a difference between the two, rebuke and exhortation, that I'm too tired to voice right now maybe after a nap or something lol ... count down.. four hours to kids bed time yah....
1 Timothy 5
1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity.
So what is the difference between rebuke and exhortation?
I'm not sure if I can put it into words. maybe another day...
Truthfully only the Holy Spirit teaches spiritual things. we are just conversing and affirming and comforting one another with His Holy Words and seek Him.
God unction is given to certain people to give them the power of rebuke and not just exhortation. they are mature in Christ given the ministry, entrusted with the Gospel. Good under shepherds not hirelies that allow the sheep to be devoured. who look always to the Head: Christ. They have sound doctrine and are root deeply in the Holy Spirit and display the fruits of walking with Christ daily. From their hearts flow living water, with their words they bring rain to a parched soul and life to a barren heart.
we are all to exhort but there is a difference between the two, rebuke and exhortation, that I'm too tired to voice right now
maybe after a nap or something lol ... count down.. four hours to kids bed time yah....
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All the posting to this thread have been in line with our Father's ways, but I would like to add from the other side of the fence: That all the prophets we had before the day of pentecost were very emphatic when they came across something that wasn't in line with the path God sets for us.
Also, we all learn as we correct each other.
Also, we all learn as we correct each other.
It is also pertinent to note that even Jesus came across quite harsh often when he presented truth. John speaks of this the most. yet John perhaps out of all the apostles was drawn to the love of Jesus.
true love speaks the truth even if it hurts.
In saying that I agree that we should be careful about what we say. and what motive is behind it.
First of all love for God and love for our neighbour should be our motive.
Blessings.
true love speaks the truth even if it hurts.
In saying that I agree that we should be careful about what we say. and what motive is behind it.
First of all love for God and love for our neighbour should be our motive.
Blessings.
Ananda, I'm intrigued by your last post. The things you said are full of Life. I see that you are only 29 but that you've been 'growing in the Lord'. (And you've been on this site since last March and already have over 7,000 posts. Wowsers.) This is refreshing to see as it definitely isn't very common these days. I'm encouraged. You said, "Truthfully only the Holy Spirit teaches spiritual things. we are just conversing and affirming and comforting one another with His Holy Words and seek Him." Very true. And there is a difference between rebuke and exhortation. I think most times, it's easiest and best to leave the interpretation (or revelation or clarifying) of a thing to the Holy Spirit (eg. the difference between rebuke and exhortation) as He majors in teaching spiritual things.
Pop, I like the passage you quoted: "Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity" (1Tim. 4:12). This seems like a pretty good online forum to be on (at least so far). I'm glad to be here.
Hi, Red. You're right. There are also different callings and dispositions, and each one can see things from a different facet or aspect of God's heart or Jesus' ministry. All of the gifts and ministries are given to edify, and among them all, there are times when each one is most needed (whether prophetic or pastoral or teaching, etc.).
Pop, I like the passage you quoted: "Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity" (1Tim. 4:12). This seems like a pretty good online forum to be on (at least so far). I'm glad to be here.
Hi, Red. You're right. There are also different callings and dispositions, and each one can see things from a different facet or aspect of God's heart or Jesus' ministry. All of the gifts and ministries are given to edify, and among them all, there are times when each one is most needed (whether prophetic or pastoral or teaching, etc.).
Ananda, this post puzzles me, particularly the part I hi-lighted in red. I admit that my original post was made out of pent-up frustration, and perhaps I shouldn't have posted it. I'm not against discussions and disagreements, but I have seen a lot of disputes here in Bible-discussion that did not seem edifying. However, perhaps I should have kept my mouth shut about it. If I offended anyone or came across as judgmental, then I apologize. I was not speaking to anyone in particular when I posted it.
However, I am really wondering why you singled me out. Have I offended you in some way? Or, perhaps you have been bothered by something I said to someone else? I honestly don't know; it seemed like you were just randomly picking on me. If I have done something that bothered you, then please drop me a P.M. and tell me what it was. Because, without further information, I can't grow from what you said to me. It did not leave me feeling 'exhorted'. It did not leave me feeling convicted. It didn't even leave me feeling rebuked.
It just left me feeling confused, singled out, and picked on.
However, I am really wondering why you singled me out. Have I offended you in some way? Or, perhaps you have been bothered by something I said to someone else? I honestly don't know; it seemed like you were just randomly picking on me. If I have done something that bothered you, then please drop me a P.M. and tell me what it was. Because, without further information, I can't grow from what you said to me. It did not leave me feeling 'exhorted'. It did not leave me feeling convicted. It didn't even leave me feeling rebuked.
It just left me feeling confused, singled out, and picked on.