Suicide

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I know his pain I got 53 of them of course not a whopping 345 LOL
I just find it, well, fitting, that he is crying about having his "biblical" post disagreed with, and is complaining about "dishonesty" and uh, "personal" issues to boot.

Um. Hmmm.
 
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EleventhHour

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Oh Lord you have received 344 RED X's before this . which now you have 345 I want CC to know I did not issue all 345 of them LOL

You want us to believe you HONESTLY disagreed with my post on the "Not by Works Thread" and the post by @dcontroversal on the "Suicide" thread....
 
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I really do not care if you do or not :) In fact, you can disagree and that is fine too :)
I've gotten 106 dreaded, heart breaking, terroristic, demeaning, painful, hurtful red X's (well, its really a white X in a red circle). Sniff. :cry: :LOL::ROFL:


...and have given an unbelievable amount in retaliation. A whopping 37. How horrific! :ROFL:
 
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EleventhHour

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I've gotten 106 dreaded, heart breaking, terroristic, demeaning, painful, hurtful red X's (well, its really a white X in a red circle). Sniff. :cry::LOL::ROFL:


...and have given an unbelievable amount in retaliation. A whopping 37. How horrific! :ROFL:
You should really stop that wasn't the point at all an you know it.
 
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I really do not care if you do or not :) In fact, you can disagree and that is fine too :)
Yes I can see that you have demonstrated this, I will keep it in mind for future reference.

Thank you for the clarification.
 

hornetguy

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I say that because I've heard it preached that it's our nature to seek happiness and in all we do that is object. Even when we decide to sacrifice our life for a friend it's not a matter of not seeking happiness but a matter of delayed gratification.

I was wondering if you think someone committing suicide is seeking to improve their state of being. That they are seeking well being.

Are you a hornet keeper?
hmmm.... I have never heard of anyone "keeping" hornets. As I explained about 4 or 5 years ago, my name was picked because of the gun/shooting forums I'm a member of. I like the .22 Hornet round, and have reloaded and shot it for several years.... so I am "hornetguy".

I suppose in a strange way they could be seen as wanting to "improve" their state of being..... although, the word "improve" is not one I'd use. They are seeking to CHANGE their state of being. I don't know of too many people that would think of death as an "improvement", unless death is preferable to the suffering they are undergoing.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Some believe that suicide is the same as murder, since one is murdering their own self. When someone takes their own life, they are rejecting our Lord's gift of life. The Roman Catholic Church believes if a Christian takes his or her life, it is unpardoned, therefore they are not saved. Other Church denominations have followed suit with this belief. What does the Bible say about suicide? There is not many that the Bible lists that took their own life. Most of them were the result of a prolonged life of depression and disobedience to God's word. Though there are times when believers may have to give their lives for Jesus, but voluntary martyrdom is not usually considered suicide. Here are a few people in the Bible that took their own lives, whether they were saved or not, that is God's judgement.

Abimelech He was a son of Gideon and became king of Shechem. He commanded by force, murdered all who opposed him, and was a leader in such a way that questions his allegiance to God.

Saul There is much debate on whether Saul was saved. Scripture tells us of Saul that, "the spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man." Sounds like a born again Christian. Also scripture tells us that, "God gave him another heart," or changed him. Saul was also God's choice to lead Israel.

Ahithophel He was one of king David's most trusted advisors, but also betrayed the king. Scholars debate if he was a man of God.

Zimri He burned a palace down with him inside it. Scripture says he, "sinned in doing evil in the sight of the Lord.....which he did to make Israel sin." Most agree, he was not a man of God.

Judas Ischariot He was one of the original 12 disciples of Jesus, and of course betrayed Jesus. Here is what Jesus said of him, "woe unto that man by whom the son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born." Pretty harsh words coming from our Savior. Judas was with Jesus for 3 years and was given ample opportunity for salvation and repentance. Some claim that by Judas giving the money back to the pharisees was an act of repentance. ***Interesting to note that Judas was given power and authority over demons, to proclaim the word of God, and to heal and perform miracles by Jesus. But did he have saving faith?

Samson "O Lord God remember me I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes." Its obvious that Samson believed in our Heavenly Father, though he lived in sin. The fact that Samson asked God to end his life, is quite different than someone taking their own life without communicating it to our Heavenly Father. Samson killed more people when he died than when he lived.
Did Christ die on the cross to pay for all sins, or just some sins. David committed all kinds of really bad sins, and David, the apple of God's eye, I think, will be in heaven.
 
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For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7). (These three only work when faith is placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified. Rom. 8:2/the help of the Holy Spirit) - Grace only flows when my faith is in the death of Jesus (Christ Crucified). The Holy Spirit will deliver this believer into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. 2 Cor. 4:11-12, Gal. 2:21, Romans 6:3-5

As servants of Righteousness (Romans 6:18), and the only way we can continue to serve that Righteousness is by the Grace of God (Galatians 2:21). Which means the Grace of God is flowing into that Believer because their Faith is placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified. If the Believer Faith is not in Christ and Him Crucified (the death of Christ who loved us and gave Himself for us - Galatians 2:20, 1 John 4:9-10) you are out of the will of God. Which means we have removed ourselves from Him (Galatians 1:6).