Sunday worship or Saturday Sabbath what day did God choose or is it Everday worship.

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eternally-gratefull said:
I have no beef with people who believe Saturday is a day of rest, I actually try to rest that day myself, although I can not always do it.

my beef is with those who want to judge people who do not believe it, and want to push that law to Moses on them
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I have no beef with people who want to rest on Saturday either or Sunday. It's the people who push "keep the sabbath day or else" that I have a beef with! I have a customer on my mail route who attends the Worldwide church of God (Armostrongism) and he once told me that I need to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday because it's the sabbath day and implied that if I continue to work on Saturday, then I will not be saved. He once gave me a pamphlet on the beliefs of his church and sure enough his gospel plan is "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" -- salvation by obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on obeying the 4th commandment). I've also heard the same thing from SDA's. Sounds like the same thing the OP (who sounds a lot like bud62) is pushing. :cautious:
 
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Do we do as Jesus's custom was to keep sabbath? Luke4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Do we follow fourth commandment that says remember the Sabbath to keep it holy or forget it? Are we to follow mans tradition which is Sunday worship? Are we part of same perpetual covenant sabbath as Israel as some imply? Or are we free from all this through life in Christ in new covenant? Your beliefs with biblical evidence please and also if I left out any other beliefs in Christianity feel free to share.
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It's good to have a day of rest on the Sabbath..

But it is NOT required for one to have salvation..

Do not put a stumbling stone before people, putting it into peoples minds that they must DO a law to be saved.. Once a person believes salvation is attained by doing the Sabbath on the correct day they have abandoned salvation by the Atonement of Jesus and returned to the bondage of law..
 
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Adstar said:
It's good to have a day of rest on the Sabbath..

But it is NOT required for one to have salvation..

Do not put a stumbling stone before people, putting it into peoples minds that they must DO a law to be saved.. Once a person believes salvation is attained by doing the Sabbath on the correct day they have abandoned salvation by the Atonement of Jesus and returned to the bondage of law..
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Well said Amen.
 
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mailmandan said:
I have no beef with people who want to rest on Saturday either or Sunday. It's the people who push "keep the sabbath day or else" that I have a beef with! I have a customer on my mail route who attends the Worldwide church of God (Armostrongism) and he once told me that I need to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday because it's the sabbath day and implied that if I continue to work on Saturday, then I will not be saved. He once gave me a pamphlet on the beliefs of his church and sure enough his gospel plan is "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" -- salvation by obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on obeying the 4th commandment). I've also heard the same thing from SDA's. Sounds like the same thing the OP (who sounds a lot like bud62) is pushing. :cautious:
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Amen, if we really look at it, this command was for our benefit. when we do it, we in fact are serving self, because we do it to rest so we can be refreshed for the next week.

thats why I asked about the law of love in another thread when someone asked me about the sabbath, how do I obey it in this law

in reality we are to love and serve other, which means if my neighbor needs me to do some work to serve him on Saturday, it would be a sin not to. Even though by defenition it would be considered work.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So it’s ok for him to sin???

that would make him a blemished lamb. We would all still be dead in our sin if that was the case
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Jesus never sinned and I never even insuated he did its almost like your trying to catch me in a snare watchout you might get caught in your own trap.
 
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Jesus never sinned and I never even insuated he did its almost like your trying to catch me in a snare watchout you might get caught in your own trap.
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Catch you?
what a joke man.

you said Jesus is lord of the sabbath in response to a poster who said he broke the sabbath,

so I asked you a sincere question

and your right he did not sin. and no not because he is Lord, that’s excusing his sin.

but because he obeyed Gods law of serving and loving others, which is a greater law than the sabbath
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Catch you?
what a joke man.

you said Jesus is lord of the sabbath in response to a poster who said he broke the sabbath,

so I asked you a sincere question

and your right he did not sin. and no not because he is Lord, that’s excusing his sin.

but because he obeyed Gods law of serving and loving others, which is a greater law than the sabbath
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You can't put words in my mouth I didn't excuse anything I just sayed Jesus is lord of the Sabbath Amen.
 
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mailmandan said:
I have no beef with people who want to rest on Saturday either or Sunday. It's the people who push "keep the sabbath day or else" that I have a beef with! I have a customer on my mail route who attends the Worldwide church of God (Armostrongism) and he once told me that I need to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday because it's the sabbath day and implied that if I continue to work on Saturday, then I will not be saved. He once gave me a pamphlet on the beliefs of his church and sure enough his gospel plan is "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" -- salvation by obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on obeying the 4th commandment). I've also heard the same thing from SDA's. Sounds like the same thing the OP (who sounds a lot like bud62) is pushing. :cautious:
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all the sda-hebrew roots stuff is basically the same, they just try to package it differently .

once you interact with a few of them ( or in you and i's case, many of them on here) you will catch on it to pretty fast.
 
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all the sda-hebrew roots stuff is basically the same, they just try to package it differently .

once you interact with a few of them ( or in you and i's case, many of them on here) you will catch on it to pretty fast.
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It’s a huge difference in trying to study the law to see how it completely pointed to Christ and learn from it. And trying to push people to try to start acting like the jews, and take them back to follow the schoolmaster after it lead us to Christ.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
Its that fourth command God wrote with his finger that said remember Sabbath keep it holy and yes Saturday is seventh day of week. The Sabbath keeping Jews haven't forgot its from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Its a time of rest so all your attention can be focused on Lord.
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“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 20:8‭, ‬10‭-‬11 ESV

Yes, I know what is written, and what the words mean. Your insistence on church on Saturday just isn't there. That is one of the pharisaic traditions in the Mishnah, in fact if you bother to read Deuteronomy you will see that there are certain times of the year commanded to go to synagogue, but they are certainly not weekly.

So let's see some directives given in the new testament about the church.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:1-2
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
So the Corinthians and the Galatians were taking collections for the saints on Sunday and putting it aside for when Paul came so no collection would be made while he was there. Interesting.

Also look at this levitical command to do worship on Sunday

Leviticus 23:11
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He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

So why do you insist on a tradition of the pharisees on Saturday, saying keep the commandment when you break this one.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Exodus 20:4 ESV
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Hi brother Dan, as I understand it we can't comply with the ceremonial laws today because we don't have the temple anymore (or tabernacle for that matter). We have to now adhere to the moral laws (ten commandments) but still do it in love without judgment. God bless my friend :)
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you do not keep the Sabbath law because if you broke one law (the 10) you have broken them all. You are saved by Grace through faith not of works( that os the law)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It’s a huge difference in trying to study the law to see how it completely pointed to Christ and learn from it. And trying to push people to try to start acting like the jews, and take them back to follow the schoolmaster after it lead us to Christ.
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i am almost done reading through the Old Testament. ( about 90 pages to go).

it just amazes me that anyone can read it and not understand that God gave the Law to Israel , and only Isreal.

the gentile world was not under the Law.

could not be more clear..
 
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gb9 said:
i am almost done reading through the Old Testament. ( about 90 pages to go).

it just amazes me that anyone can read it and not understand that God gave the Law to Israel , and only Isreal.

the gentile world was not under the Law.

could not be more clear..
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Yep, Jonah did not go tell ninivah to repent and obey the law.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Amen, if we really look at it, this command was for our benefit. when we do it, we in fact are serving self, because we do it to rest so we can be refreshed for the next week.

thats why I asked about the law of love in another thread when someone asked me about the sabbath, how do I obey it in this law

in reality we are to love and serve other, which means if my neighbor needs me to do some work to serve him on Saturday, it would be a sin not to. Even though by defenition it would be considered work.
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That I believe was the point Jesus was making to the Pharisees...
...xox...
 
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That I believe was the point Jesus was making to the Pharisees...
...xox...
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Amen, and that is why Jesus did not sin by breaking the sabbath. (Not because he is lord of the sabbath as someone suggested) but Because he was obeying a more important law.

most doctors nurses and other medical staff work to serve others, in doing this, they must at times work on Saturday, according to the law they would be in sin, but the law of love trumps the law of moses

civil authorities (police and fire) same difference

if my unbelieving neighbor needs help doing something that will take about 6 hours of hard labor. do I say, sorry, I must obey the sabbath I can’t help you, or do look To Jesus as an example, and serve my neighbor as a witness to God, even though by defenition I am breaking mosaic law?

The law was given to Israel, who as a nation was supposed to trust God for giving them all their needs, so,they were commanded not to do anything on Saturday to serve self but to trust God,

Sadly, Israel as well as many modern day 7th sabbath pushers. took this command to trust God completely for one day, and twisted it to mean something totally different than what God intended,
 
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See! The Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.”
Exodus 16:29 ESV

Wouldn't staying in your place preclude going out and assembling? So going to church would be an actual violation, unless it is one of the feast days or sacrifice days God commands.
 
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The calendars have changed ;)
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many people don't realize how much was actually changed when they changed calenders in 1752. 11 days were dropped from the calendar year.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
you said Jesus is lord of the sabbath in response to a poster who said he broke the sabbath,
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Not quite ;) I said, according to the experts of the law, Jesus broke the Sabbath ;) Obviously the Lord of the Sabbath did not break the Sabbath :D The point I was making was that those who put great emphasis on the law to the exclusion of more important matters of faith are in the wrong. And of course we see a lot of that here with law pushers and you-must-keep-the-Sabbath sayers :oops::rolleyes::oops:

The Sabbath has always pointed to our resting in the completed work of Jesus :):love::)
 
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