Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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TheDivineWatermark

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Yes, but the Number 1 promise to Israel was a Saviour. But I agree, there are promises plural as well.
...and I think we must study the passages in Genesis that speak of:

--SEED [SINGULAR]

--SEED [PLURAL]

...to ascertain what Paul meant in Galatians 3:16 re: "SEED [SINGULAR]"...

Just because Paul is making a point about "SEED [SINGULAR]," in Galatians 3, does not toss away the points in Genesis re: "SEED [PLURAL]"... no. Not at all.
 

Truth7t7

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Jesus is not a real door but HE is a real person who is God and is coming back. Learn what allegorizing is over and allegory.

You are welcome.
Nobody stated Jesus Christ wasn't God, or he wasn't coming back, as if I suggest such "False"

Jesus Is The Lord :)
 
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kaylagrl

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Kayla,
Would it be accurate to say that your view of "the holocaust" has played an instrumental role in how you interpret the Bible? That's kind of what I'm gathering based on your post. Would you guess that many people who subscribe to your views regarding Israel are also influenced by a similar view of the "holocaust"?

Not sure what you're getting at, can you be a little more clear? I have a pretty normal view of the Holocaust, that over 6 million Jews were murdered along with others Hitler saw as unfit.
 

Truth7t7

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I mean he was a type, insofar as he starts off as a little horn. This perhaps mirrors the antichrist figure in Daniel 7:
8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.

Lucy's post is very interesting. i hope she says more.
I believe the match would be found in Pharaoh of Egypt, as when the future two witnesses of Rev 11 come on the scene before the Antichrist, it's going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Do you believe in two literal future prophets returned, in literal plagues upon this literal earth, as seen in Rev chapters 11 & 16?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Of course you made the claim that Israel is living in peace, who you kidding :giggle:

Quote below eternally-grateful, post #651

Quote: "The church is not in the land of Israel living in peace because they obey Gods commands because the promise was not given to them."
Peace was promised to Israel for being obedient to the commands of God, and if they disobeyed God they would be punished, again if the church replaced Isreal, these things would apply to the church

of course if you studied Lev 26 you would know this, but I think you have exposed to everyone here you have utterly no understanding of Lev 26, written to Israel

if the church is obedient, then the promise made to Israel they should be living in peace in the land called Israel.

that was my point, please forgive me for saying something over your head. Again, that is why I do not respond to you much, you have serious co pretension issues,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What do you think parables are if not allegories?
A parable is a language used as an allegory to explain a biblical truth

we do not use that to interpret prophecy, a prophecy is a foretelling of a literal event, when you try to use it as an allegory, it ceases to be a prophetic event
 
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Not sure what you're getting at, can you be a little more clear? I have a pretty normal view of the Holocaust, that over 6 million Jews were murdered along with others Hitler saw as unfit.
I'm aware that your view is pretty conventional. What I'm asking is whether you think that it has played a part in your interpretation of this part of scripture that is currently being discussed. I ask because of your statement here:
I am talking about Replacement Theology from the church fathers that led directly to the Holocaust. The church has blood on it's hands, and that is why I fight this Replacement Heresy so much.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am grateful for @Truth7t7 kinda giving another view on things. I don't always agree with him. But I like how he's got an opinion and he isn't afraid to defend it. I don't think he looks bad at all.
He looks bad when he looks At something another person says, then comes back and totally twists what the person says, because he shows a lack of understanding

if your going to defend yourself do it. but don’t accuse or twist another person of saying things they never said, and if you do by accident, at least confess it. Don’t co it ue to deny it like he always does,

this is not my first go around with him, there is a reason I ignore hi l but when he accuses me of saying something t hat is not true, I will defend myself against his lie
 

Truth7t7

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in context and allegory is not the same thing as one who allegorizes the word of God.

The context can not be spiritualized to have a different meaning. That is what the gnostic did with the resurrection of Jesus.

he did not have to literally be raised from the dead because it happened Spiritually. That mindset in unbiblical Jesus literally die, buried and rose again and ascended and is literally coming back to the Geographical location known as Israel.
Do you believe the words (Seventy Weeks) below are literal weeks of (Four Hundred Ninety Days) Or Do You Have A Symbolic Representation Of The Literal Words (Seventy Weeks)? :giggle:

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dan 9.
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”


the man who makes a covenant is one who comes out of the ones who destroyed the city in ad 70. Rome, he will commit the abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus in matt 24,

he is not a Jew,
 
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I believe the match would be found in Pharaoh of Egypt, as when the future two witnesses of Rev 11 come on the scene before the Antichrist, it's going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Do you believe in two literal future prophets returned, in literal plagues upon this literal earth, as seen in Rev chapters 11 & 16?
I don't know 7 .... maybe yes
 

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Do you believe the words (Seventy Weeks) below are literal weeks of (Four Hundred Ninety Days) Or Do You Have A Symbolic Representation Of The Literal Words (Seventy Weeks)? :giggle:

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Are you incapable of understanding Context? Do you know the difference between allegorizing in what is Biblical method of ( wrongly) interpretation and an Allegory which the bible does have?
 

Truth7t7

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Peace was promised to Israel for being obedient to the commands of God, and if they disobeyed God they would be punished, again if the church replaced Isreal, these things would apply to the church

of course if you studied Lev 26 you would know this, but I think you have exposed to everyone here you have utterly no understanding of Lev 26, written to Israel

if the church is obedient, then the promise made to Israel they should be living in peace in the land called Israel.

that was my point, please forgive me for saying something over your head. Again, that is why I do not respond to you much, you have serious co pretension issues,
God currently has no covenant with National Ethnic Israel, it's this point you dont want to accept

The Kingdom of God has been taken from them, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit

It appears that Dispensationalism's Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth

The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple :)

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again :)

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'm aware that your view is pretty conventional. What I'm asking is whether you think that it has played a part in your interpretation of this part of scripture that is currently being discussed. I ask because of your statement here:

Still not sure what you're getting at. You understand the Replacement Theology and what it teaches? It is contrary to what the Bible teaches. These early church fathers, especially Luther, came from the Catholic church and held on to their anti- Semitic views. You do realize the Nazi's weren't the first to put Jews in ghettos and make them wear a distinguishing sign. Satan doesn't want God to keep His promise to Israel. The Jews have been persecuted, exiled, and murdered, the devil is trying his hardest to destroy God's chosen people. So no, I interpret Scripture from the view of God's promises in the Abrahamic covenant, and that they are both unconditional and everlasting. He will fulfill His promises. If He doesn't, would make God and liar, and we know that is not possible.
 
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kaylagrl

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God currently gas no covenant with National Ethnic Israel, it's this point you dont want to accept

The Kingdom of God has been taken from them, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit

It appears that Dispensationalism's Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth

The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional and everlasting. It was made to the Jew. They lost use of the land but they never lost the deed to the land. There is a remnant of Jews and the promises belong to them. Romans isn't talking to the church, it's talking to the Jews.