Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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pottersclay

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Ya. I certainly am not disagreeing. I wouldn't bet against you being correct. My point was that it's absurd for a Christian to ask a jew's opinion on matters of scripture. I'd be most inclined to believe the opposite of whatever the jew is telling me. They hated Jesus and they hate me because of Jesus. So whatever they say is likely for the purpose of causing me harm or damaging Christianity.

Oh you are so right....them jews what would they know about christianity.

Take paul for example......no no no a jew
Peter...naaaa...jew
John....nope
Jude yeah jude....no
Mark.....nope
Matthew......shucks
Better stick with jesus....yeah he's a he's a....nope...jew.
 

Roughsoul1991

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No Context Is Missed Whatsoever, It Clearly States 62 weeks to build the wall and street, "Very Clear" you cant wave a magic wand and change this truth before your eyes

Using the day/year theory the claim it took (62 weeks/434 years) to "build again" a wall and street in Jerusalem, and the troublous time lasted the same?

As you can see in this alone the day/year theory is a farce, defying history and common sense

Daniel's seventy weeks are future, and will be four hundred and ninety days, a precursor to the coming of the Antichrist

Daniel 9:25KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
You are ignoring my post and clearly every post that shows your interpretation as wrong. I will dust off my feet and keep on trucking...
 

Roughsoul1991

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The text does NOT state what you suggest, here ^ . NO.


"62 Weeks to build the wall" NO, the text DOES NOT STATE that.

Read it again, carefully... coz you are completely missing what it actually DOES say:




25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be [certain length of time]...



[a certain length of time BETWEEN "Point A" and "Point B"]
It is as plain as day I mean year 🥁🤣
 
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I agree, the day/year teaching is just that :ROFL:
You parade your ignorance like a trophy. Its getting embarrassing.
Numbers 14:34. The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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The 62 weeks are future, and will take 434 days of building the wall and street, and it is stopped by the prince to fulfill the future time of the gentiles, as Jerusalem is surrounded by armies and tread under foot for 42 months
"The 62 weeks are future, and will take 434 days of ..."




You totally made that up on your own.


You wanna know how I know you made it up (besides the other points I've already mentioned)?


The text itself states "7 weeks/sevens AND 62 weeks/sevens"... and you have only mentioned the "62 weeks [/sevens]" and completely LEFT OUT *any mention* of what the text itself refers to ALSO: the "7 weeks/sevens"...

WHY IS that??

...where ARE they, in your supposed scenario??



[and that's not even getting to the "FOR ONE WEEK [one set of 7 yrs]" part, further down in v.27a ;) ]
 

Roughsoul1991

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"The 62 weeks are future, and will take 434 days of ..."




You totally made that up on your own.


You wanna know how I know you made it up (besides the other points I've already mentioned)?


The text itself states "7 weeks/sevens AND 62 weeks/sevens"... and you have only mentioned the "62 weeks [/sevens]" and completely LEFT OUT *any mention* of what the text itself refers to ALSO: the "7 weeks/sevens"...

WHY IS that??

...where ARE they, in your supposed scenario??



[and that's not even getting to the "FOR ONE WEEK [one set of 7 yrs]" part, further down in v.27a ;) ]
Agree. It is in context where we find understanding.
 
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pottersclay

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By the way saints I saved a lot of money by switching to Geico....😁😁😁😱


Just thought you all should know...😄😄😄
 

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They aren't using hatred and violence. They are defending their land. It's not up to them to solve the problem, they want peace, the terrorists Hamas do not.

Muslims weren't given the promise. Israel belongs to the Jews.

Then Hamas terrorists need to stop attacking Israel.

They didn't expel Palestinians, you don't know history. Are you saying it's ok for Hamas to hate but not the Jews?
So tell me, If they didn't expel Palestinians, Why Hamas to hate Jews?
I'm confused.
So why ?
 

soberxp

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By the way, I do not support violence on either side.
I just follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
All the law is contained in loving others as yourself
 

soberxp

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If we believe in Jesus Christ is The Savior of the world, Justice by faith,but our behavior of moth say that "Muslims cannot be saved".or "someone cannot be saved." Is this not hypocritical?
 
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pottersclay

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If we believe in Jesus Christ is The Savior of the world, Justice by faith,but our behavior of moth say that "Muslims cannot be saved".or "someone cannot be saved." Is this not hypocritical?
Muslims are being saved in Israel by the hundreds. Same with jews. But the fear is from the culture.
To not only be exiles but killed. It's a serious matter in the middle east it's not taken lightly.
Evangelical messianic rabbis are pouring into Israel as we speak. The power of the Holy Spirit is moving very fast.
There are even safe houses set up for converts.
The days of grace are getting short...God is calling to his people. Jesus is at the door.
 

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I agree with what is before your eyes :)

Only The Remnant Elect Jew, Those Whom God Foreknew, Will Be Saved And Added To "Israel The Church" On Earth

"Israel Is The Church", Children Of The Promised Seed

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Added To "Israel The Church" On Earth

Romans 11:2KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Romans 11:28KJV
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
... just a minute

You are saying that only those Jews who are saved are the election, but that is not what the scripture says.

As concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election they are beloved for the sakes of the fathers for the gifts and call of God are without repentance

So according to election it is the enemies [not the believing remnant] who are beloved.

And it was not the believing remnant who handed Jesus over to be crucified but the enemies of the gospel, without the enemies of the gospel we could not be saved.

THAT is why the gifts and call of God cannot be revoked, that is what election is all about.

ALL Israel will be saved .... that's what Paul said.
 

Truth7t7

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... just a minute

You are saying that only those Jews who are saved are the election, but that is not what the scripture says.

As concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election they are beloved for the sakes of the fathers for the gifts and call of God are without repentance

So according to election it is the enemies [not the believing remnant] who are beloved.

And it was not the believing remnant who handed Jesus over to be crucified but the enemies of the gospel, without the enemies of the gospel we could not be saved.

THAT is why the gifts and call of God cannot be revoked, that is what election is all about.

ALL Israel will be saved .... that's what Paul said.
Only those whom God foreknew will be elected to salvation, just as all believers in Jesus Christ are chosen and elected

You bend and twist the very clear words of God before your eyes, in suggesting all National Ethnic Jews will be saved

"Israel Hath Not Obtained"

"The Election Hath Obtained"

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

The Church Elect, According To Gods Forknowledge, As Seen In Romans 11:2 Above

1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
 
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You are struggling mightily with the language here 77/78

Your understanding of foreknew will colour you entire interpretation
 

Evmur

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Only those whom God foreknew will be elected to salvation, just as all believers in Jesus Christ are chosen and elected

You bend and twist the very clear words of God before your eyes, in suggesting all Natiinal Ethnic Jews will be saved

"Israel Hath Not Obtained"

"The Election Hath Obtained"

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

The Church Elect, According To Gods Forknowledge, As Seen In Romans 11:2 Above

1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
I am not twisting it at all ... YOU have quoted it as it stands in scripture

Hath God cast away His people God forbid
God has not cast away His people which He foreknew

Paul also speaks about the hardening or blindness as being partial and only until the full number of the Gentiles be come in

And so ALL Israel will be saved.

If you understand that the remnant is there to save the whole it makes sense for in Elijah's day it was the remnant which turned the whole nation back to Jevovah beginning at Mt Carmel.

What "all Israel" means is a debatable point I admit. But what is clear is that Israel has not fared as Sodom and Gomorrah, God didn't destroy them. He chucked them off the land as He said He would


... He also said He would bring them back in the latter days.
 

Truth7t7

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You are struggling mightily with the language here 77/78

Your understanding of foreknew will colour you entire interpretation
The Church Has Been Elected By God, He Foreknows All Who Will Be Saved And Elected To Salvation, Just As The Remnant Seen In Romans 11:2 Beliw

Gods Words Are Plain And Simple, You Have No Private Interpretation To Gods Words Below

1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

"Israel Hath Not Obtained"

"The Election Hath Obtained"

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Is Saved, And Added To The Church On Earth

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Romans 11:1-8KJV
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
 
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The 'foreknew' here goes back to what Paul has said in Romans 9. That he foreknew both Esau(Israel of the flesh) and Jacob (Israel of the Church)

11 Even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue