Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[Oseas3]

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

You are a follower of a religion that is linked to the spiritism , and you don't believe JESUS is come in flesh, don't you?

Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

[Oseas3]

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

Revelation 5:v.10

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Oseas3]

but no one could live a thousand years on Earth even Adam 10X100 . 1=10 in bible

Do you believe in JESUS?

JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world-the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[soberxp]

Do you believe in JESUS?

JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world-the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

I believe in Jesus.
So you think a thousand years in Heaven after resurrection.but I think maybe both on earth and heaven.

 

[Oseas3]

I believe in Jesus.
So you think a thousand years in Heaven after resurrection.but I think maybe both on earth and heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:v.13-16

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel - Michael-, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...to meet the Lord... and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Ephesians 13:
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth:

See, It is 1 Corinthins 13, not Ephesians 13

 

[soberxp]

1 Thessalonians 4:v.13-16

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel - Michael-, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...to meet the Lord... and so shall we ever be with the Lord.




See, It is 1 Corinthins 13, not Ephesians 13

I don't know why I wrote it wrong,Maybe I don't like read bible,LOL

 

[Truth7t7]

According Scriptures it is god;

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and who will oppose and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And for this cause GOD shall send them -shall send to the people of Israel- strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth-believed not in JESUS-, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thes.2:v.11-12

JESUS said to the Jews: John 5:v.42 o 46

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. (If JESUS said we cannot deny and contradict JESUS)

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another (AN IMPOSTER, a false messiah, a false god) shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. -(If JESUS said we cannot deny and contradict JESUS)-

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

And for this cause GOD shall send them -shall send to the people of Israel- strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth-believed not in JESUS-, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thes.2:v.11-12

When a person is speaking of God the father its capital "G" showing deity

To put it in lower caps is claiming God the father is a false god

 

[Evmur]

Fulfillment theology is really a total non-starter though I would have thought,
(assuming one reads the whole Bible, and not merely 3 Chapters of Galatians + excerpts from Romans),
since God makes it clear (Leviticus/Deuteronomy), that the curse on Israel serves a purpose.
(Really as a kind of manifestation of the reality of God).

....so, to clarify - God has not thrown Israel away as he is using them for a purpose.

That is great ... the Jews are witnesses to Christ, negative witnesses. They PROVE that God's word always comes to pass.

 

[Truth7t7]

What prevails is the Word of GOD.

The Word is GOD, understand?

Revelation 11:v.15
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.


And the nations were angry, and thy wrath-GOD's wrath-is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.


JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world-the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

There will be resurrection in the days ahead, I mean in this decade-from 2020 to 2030. Daniel 12:v.1-3:

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.


1 Thessalonians 4:v.16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel-MICHAEL-, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1 Corinthians 14:v.8
8 - If the Trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?


1 Corinthians 15:v.24 to 28
24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD-Revelation 11:v.15-, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.

25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Be careful and get ready

Not one word posted shows a Millennial Kingdom on this Earth with mortal humans present, not a one

 

[Evmur]

Are you Jewish in your ethnic heritage Evmur?

Are you looking at my nose?

 

[Evmur]

Direct Questions:

1. Do you believe in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth for 1,000 years at the return of Jesus Christ?

If So?

2. Will this kingdom see a renewed Jewish priesthood in a temple in Jerusalem?

Yes you can't say you believe in the new Heavens and new earth of Revs 21 but won't believe in the 1, 000 years when satan is bound and Christ reigns with His saints in Revs 20. It is a progressive prophetic narrative.

 

[Evmur]

Your suggestion that "All fleshly Jews" based upon race and ethnic heritage are Gods chosen people is false

The Church is the elect of God, and the remnant when saved will become part of the Elect Church, the chosen of God, children of the promised seed

They Which Are The Children Of The Flesh (Jews) These Are Not The Children Of God

Its That Simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

No God could not be clearer in His promise to Abe, the promise is to those who are born from his loins ... can't get more fleshly than that.

God has two programs and two witnesses. His two programs are Heaven and Earth, there are heavenly promises and there are earthly promises. Jesus is Lord of both Heaven and Earth.

God's plan says Paul for the fulness of time is UNITE in Christ all things whether they be things in Heaven or things on Earth ... as the prayer goes "Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in Heaven..."

 

[Evmur]

Direct Questions:

1. Do you believe in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth for 1,000 years at the return of Jesus Christ?

If So?

2. Will this kingdom see a renewed Jewish priesthood in a temple in Jerusalem?

As to the 2nd question I say this, nobody in the OT days really knew what gospel age would be like, it was shrouded in mystery. We see it now but they did not see it. So I say we can see that there will be 1, 000 years when Christ will reign on Earth with His saints when the glory of the knowledge of the Lord will cover the Earth as waters cover the seas.

It does appear to be a reign of Righteousness, Peace and Prosperity when Paul says the creation will be SET FREE from it's bondage to decay. It will also be a time of instant retribution for sinners when the wicked will be pushed ever back to the four corners of the earth. And this will be administered through the Jews. That is what Revelations is all about.

 

[Truth7t7]

No God could not be clearer in His promise to Abe, the promise is to those who are born from his loins ... can't get more fleshly than that.

God has two programs and two witnesses. His two programs are Heaven and Earth, there are heavenly promises and there are earthly promises. Jesus is Lord of both Heaven and Earth.

God's plan says Paul for the fulness of time is UNITE in Christ all things whether they be things in Heaven or things on Earth ... as the prayer goes "Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in Heaven..."

Your claim is "False", the promise was fulfilled in "One Seed" Jesus Christ, as you suggest "Those" plural "False" and only based upon ethnic Heritage in fleshly (Jews)

The Church is fulfillment by "Faith" in Jesus Christ, and are the children of God

Unsaved Jews of The flesh are not the children of God

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes you can't say you believe in the new Heavens and new earth of Revs 21 but won't believe in the 1, 000 years when satan is bound and Christ reigns with His saints in Revs 20. It is a progressive prophetic narrative.

No Place In Revelation 20:1-6, Is Jesus Christ Seen Reigning On This Earth, A Flase Claim

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

So I say we can see that there will be 1, 000 years when Christ will reign on Earth with His saints when the glory of the knowledge of the Lord will cover the Earth as waters cover the seas.

It does appear to be a reign of Righteousness, Peace and Prosperity when Paul says the creation will be SET FREE from it's bondage to decay. It will also be a time of instant retribution for sinners when the wicked will be pushed ever back to the four corners of the earth. And this will be administered through the Jews. That is what Revelations is all about.

No Place In Revelation 20:1-6, Is Jesus Christ Seen Reigning On This Earth, A Flase Claim

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Evmur]

Your claim is "False", the promise was fulfilled in "One Seed" Jesus Christ, as you suggest "Those" plural "False" and only based upon ethnic Heritage in fleshly (Jews)

The Church is fulfillment by "Faith" in Jesus Christ, and are the children of God

Unsaved Jews of The flesh are not the children of God

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You must not mix up the covenant God made to Abe and the law which came 430 years after and which Paul says cannot annul the promises made to Abe and his seed. The promise made to Abe is an everlasting covenant that through his seed which would be as innumerable as the stars in heaven [the heavenly seed the church] and as innumerable as the sand of the seashore [the earthly] the nations of the Earth shall bless themselves.

I am not denying the pre-eminence of the heavenly seed [Christ] the church which is Jewish as well as Gentile.

But yet there are promises yet outstanding made to the Jews.

See the devil knows it, he knows better than the church that he is to bound and cast into the bottomless pit ... that is why he is so set on destroying the Jews for it is through them [the angelic mediation or the law] that he will be bound.

"After this I saw a great angel descend from heaven with a key to the bottomless pit"

 

[Evmur]

No Place In Revelation 20:1-6, Is Jesus Christ Seen Reigning On This Earth, A Flase Claim

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You see that there are nations during the 1, 000 years and again after the 1, 000 years the devil is loosed to deceive the nations once more ... that will happen on earth. In between times is the 1, 000 year reign.

 

[OldSage]

So when Evmur do you see the reconstruction of the tribal entities?

 

[Truth7t7]

You must not mix up the covenant God made to Abe and the law which came 430 years after and which Paul says cannot annul the promises made to Abe and his seed. The promise made to Abe is an everlasting covenant that through his seed which would be as innumerable as the stars in heaven [the heavenly seed the church] and as innumerable as the sand of the seashore [the earthly] the nations of the Earth shall bless themselves.

I am not denying the pre-eminence of the heavenly seed [Christ] the church which is Jewish as well as Gentile.

But yet there are promises yet outstanding made to the Jews.

See the devil knows it, he knows better than the church that he is to bound and cast into the bottomless pit ... that is why he is so set on destroying the Jews for it is through them [the angelic mediation or the law] that he will be bound.

"After this I saw a great angel descend from heaven with a key to the bottomless pit"

Your claim of (Two Peoples) of God, one of heaven (Church) and another of earth fleshly (Jews) is a false teaching known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) found no place in scripture.

There is one covenant between man and God, the shed blood upon Calvary, with salvation through faith in this finished work of Jesus Christ

John 3:14-18KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jews of the "Flesh" are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.