Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[Truth7t7]

You see that there are nations during the 1, 000 years and again after the 1, 000 years the devil is loosed to deceive the nations once more ... that will happen on earth. In between times is the 1, 000 year reign.

No Place In Revelation 20:1-6, Is Jesus Christ Seen Reigning On This Earth, A Flase Claim

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[OldSage]

Your claim of (Two Peoples) of God, one of heaven (Church) and another of earth fleshly (Jews) is a false teaching known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) found no place in scripture.

There is one covenant between man and God, the shed blood upon Calvary, with salvation through faith in this finished work of Jesus Christ

John 3:14-18KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jews of the "Flesh" are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes, but they are still Israel - when the scales fall can you frame them for us?

 

[Truth7t7]

You see that there are nations during the 1, 000 years and again after the 1, 000 years the devil is loosed to deceive the nations once more ... that will happen on earth. In between times is the 1, 000 year reign.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, but they are still Israel - when the scales fall can you frame them for us?

The scales have fell, there is one Israel of God, (The Church) children of the promised seed, where there is neither Jew nor Greek

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jews of the "Flesh" are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[OldSage]

7t7:

At what point precisely did 'ethnic' Israel cease to have any value point and purpose before God?

 

[Truth7t7]

7t7:

At what point precisely did 'ethnic' Israel cease to have any value point and purpose before God?

God loves the world and sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for the sins of the world, he cares about all, its Gods will that none should perish but come to repentance

God has no respect of persons based upon race or ethnic heritage

Scripture clearly teaches that when ethnic Israel rejected the chief corner stone Jesus Christ, the branches were broken off the olive tree who is Jesus Christ

At this time the Kingdom of God has been taken from Ethnic Israel and given to the Church, showing the fruits of God

Matthew 21:42-44KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

 

[OldSage]

God loves the world and sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for the sins of the world, he cares about all, its Gods will that none should perish but come to repentance

God has no respect of persons based upon race or ethnic heritage

Scripture clearly teaches that when ethnic Israel rejected the chief corner stone Jesus Christ, the branches were broken off the olive tree who is Jesus Christ

At this time the Kingdom of God has been taken from Ethnic Israel and given to the Church, showing the fruits of God

Matthew 21:42-44KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

At what point precisely did 'ethnic' Israel cease to have any value point and purpose before God?

 

[Absolutely]

Your claim of (Two Peoples) of God, one of heaven (Church) and another of earth fleshly (Jews) is a false teaching known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) found no place in scripture.

There is one covenant between man and God, the shed blood upon Calvary, with salvation through faith in this finished work of Jesus Christ

John 3:14-18KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jews of the "Flesh" are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

You comtradicted your point.

Not all israel which are of israel.

Speaking of ishmael...going back to abraham.

...but in isaac thy seed is called.

There are 2 dynamics.

Jews that are vs Jews that are not.

Christians that are vs christians that are not.

 

[Truth7t7]

At what point precisely did 'ethnic' Israel cease to have any value point and purpose before God?

The Old Covenant was abolished in the death of Jesus Christ on Calvary, the veil in the temple was rent.

Scripture clearly teaches that when ethnic Israel rejected the chief corner stone Jesus Christ, the branches were broken off the olive tree who is Jesus Christ

At this time the Kingdom of God has been taken from Ethnic Israel and given to the Church, showing the fruits of God

If you desire to share your opinion feel free to do so, no more running about the bush playing the guessing game

Matthew 21:42-44KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

 

[OldSage]

The Old Covenant was abolished in the death of Jesus Christ on Calvary, the veil in the temple was rent.

1) which covenant?

2) why did Peter and John preach after Jesus' resurrection?

 

[Truth7t7]

1) which covenant?

2) why did Peter and John preach after Jesus' resurrection?

You tell me which covenant was abolished at the death of Jesus Christ?

You tell me why Peter and John preached after the resurrection?

I dont play the show and tell games

 

[Truth7t7]

You comtradicted your point.

Not all israel which are of israel.

Speaking of ishmael...going back to abraham.

...but in isaac thy seed is called.

There are 2 dynamics.

Jews that are vs Jews that are not.

Christians that are vs christians that are not.

Your claim is false, the verses below clearly are talking about Israel of the flesh (Jews) and Israel the (Church) children of the promised seed

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[OldSage]

You tell me which covenant was abolished at the death of Jesus Christ

You tell me why Peter and John preached after the resurrection

I dont play the show and tell games

Lol, because you can neither show nor tell - I'm not surprised you don't play

 

[OldSage]

Anyhow, keep pleading the 5th, if it's your best (or only) defence

 

[Truth7t7]

Anyhow, keep pleading the 5th, if it's your best (or only) defence

No 5th whatsoever, I dont play show and tell games

If you have a claim or refutation of a claim, make it with scriptural support, it's that simple

 

[kaylagrl]

You tell me which covenant was abolished at the death of Jesus Christ?

You tell me why Peter and John preached after the resurrection?

I dont play the show and tell games

Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect today. The land belongs to Israel, the Jews. They lost use of the land but not the deed. You're twisting and misusing Scripture horrifically. The promise was everlasting, Romans 11 says so. You can twist as much as you want, your Replacement Theory is heresy, it's anti- Semitic and I don't understand why you would continue to try and defend that POV.

 

[kaylagrl]

No 5th whatsoever, I dont play show and tell games

If you have a claim or refutation of a claim, make it with scriptural support, it's that simple

You've been refuted with Scripture. Why are you pushing an anti- Semitic belief? Why do you think the Jews get all the curses and the church gets all the blessings? The Bible plainly says the promises were everlasting. smh

 

[OldSage]

The Old Covenant was abolished in the death of Jesus Christ on Calvary, the veil in the temple was rent.

Ok, I'll fill in the blanks because you are either too lazy, devious or whatever...

You referred to 'the old covenant', which is a reference to Hebrews 8, which is a reference to the Sinaitic Covenant.

.....the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.............

Obviously then the Horeb Covenant is still in force. You are a false teacher. End Of.

 

[Truth7t7]

You've been refuted with Scripture. Why are you pushing an anti- Semitic belief? Why do you think the Jews get all the curses and the church gets all the blessings? The Bible plainly says the promises were everlasting. smh

Your claims of Antisemitism are "False" CNN, MSNBC, fake news in a false narrative

My Lord Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles were Jews, and their names are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem forever, and you call me Antisemitic, please!

The false teachings you promote in two peoples of God, fleshly Jews (Israel), and the (Church) known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is found no place in scripture

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Jesus Is The Lord!

 

[Truth7t7]

Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect today. The land belongs to Israel, the Jews. They lost use of the land but not the deed. You're twisting and misusing Scripture horrifically. The promise was everlasting, Romans 11 says so. You can twist as much as you want, your Replacement Theory is heresy, it's anti- Semitic and I don't understand why you would continue to try and defend that POV.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.