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Now,you are bearing false witness against me since, I was speaking of a Zionist preacher thank you
None of that applies to ethnic jews according to the flesh. For they are not the Children of God. Rom 9:8
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
a plain oh ethnic jew is just like a rejected ishmael to God !
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
a plain oh ethnic jew is just like a rejected ishmael to God !
supposedly there are NO saved jews who are spiritual Israel.
no such thing as spiritual Israel apparently.
Romans 4:13
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
Romans 4:16
Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
Romans 9
1I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,a my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
Hosea 1:10
"Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'children of the living God.'
Romans 9:26
and, "In the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'children of the living God.'"
Romans 9:27
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.
no such thing as spiritual Israel apparently.
Romans 4:13
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
Romans 4:16
Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
Romans 9
1I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,a my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
Hosea 1:10
"Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'children of the living God.'
Romans 9:26
and, "In the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'children of the living God.'"
Romans 9:27
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.
During Israel’s history, from Sinai to the Millennial Kingdom (excluding the Church age), Israel’s role in the world will be characterized by PRIORITY [that is, they will have a leading role as God’s chosen people]—see Deut. 4:6-8; Isa. 43:10; Matt. 10:5-6; Zech. 8:23.
During the Church age, Israel’s role in the world will be characterized by EQUALITY—Jew and Gentiles united together in one body to bear testimony to a risen Christ (Col. 3:11; Gal. 3:28).
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Believing Jews prior to Pentecost, believing Jews during the tribulation, and believing Jews during the Kingdom reign of Christ are not members of the body of Christ.
Believing Jews and Gentiles from Pentecost to the Rapture are members of the body of Christ.
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Comparison & Contrast Between Israel and the Church
I believe that the failure of the Church to see that she is a separated, a called-out Body in the purposes of God, charged with a definite mission limited in its purpose and scope, and the endeavor to take from Israel her promises of earthly glory, and appropriate them over into this Church dispensation, has done more to swerve the Church from the appointed course than all other influences put together. It is not so much wealth, luxury, power, pomp, and pride that have served to deflect the Church from her appointed course, as the notion, founded upon Israelitish Old Testament promises, that the Church is of the world, and that therefore, her mission is to improve the world. Promises which were given to Israel alone are quoted as justifying what we see all about us today.
The Church, therefore, has failed to follow her appointed pathway of separation, holiness, heavenliness and testimony to an absent but coming Christ; she has turned aside from that purpose to the work of civilizing the world, building magnificent temples, and acquiring earthly power and wealth, and in this way, has ceased to follow in the footsteps of Him who had not where to lay His head. Did you ever put side by side the promises given to the Church, and to Israel, and see how absolutely in contrast they are? It is impossible to mingle them.
The Biggest Failure
of the Church Age
by C.I. Scofield
The Jew was promised an earthly inheritance, earthly wealth, earthly honor, earthly power. The Church is promised no such thing, but is pointed always to heaven as the place where she is to receive her rest and her reward. The promise to the Church is a promise of persecution, if faithful in this world, but a promise of a great inheritance and reward hereafter. In the meantime, she is to be a pilgrim body, passing through this scene, but abiding above.
It is true that the great body of the churches believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, but they have turned aside the greater part of their resources, to the attempt to reform the world, to educate the world, and, in short, to anticipate the next dispensation in which those things belong, and to do the work that is distinctly set apart for restored and converted Israel in her Kingdom Age.
Alas, nothing would suffice but the bringing of the prophets bodily over into this Church age! This is the irremediable disaster which the wild allegorizing of Origen and his school has inflicted upon exegesis. The intermingling of Church purpose with Kingdom purpose palsied evangelization for thirteen hundred years, and is today the heavy clog upon the feet of them who preach the glad tidings.
Of all these things the O.T. prophets are full. We turn to the New Testament and find what? The birth of the King, the heralding of the Kingdom as "at hand," the announcement in the Sermon on the Mount of the principles of the Kingdom, the utter refusal of Israel to receive her King, the passing of the Kingdom into the mixed and veiled condition set forth in the seven parables of Matthew Thirteen, its full revelation being postponed till "the harvest," which is fixed definitely "at the end of this age." And then the Kingdom being thus postponed, what is revealed as filling and occupying this age? THE CHURCH!
The Biggest Failure
of the Church Age
by C.I. Scofield
C.I. Scofield - The Church's Greatest Failure
this is completely insane teaching.
the ravings of a mad man.
It is true that the great body of the churches believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, but they have turned aside the greater part of their resources, to the attempt to reform the world, to educate the world, and, in short, to anticipate the next dispensation in which those things belong, and to do the work that is distinctly set apart for restored and converted Israel in her Kingdom Age.
Alas, nothing would suffice but the bringing of the prophets bodily over into this Church age! This is the irremediable disaster which the wild allegorizing of Origen and his school has inflicted upon exegesis. The intermingling of Church purpose with Kingdom purpose palsied evangelization for thirteen hundred years, and is today the heavy clog upon the feet of them who preach the glad tidings.
Of all these things the O.T. prophets are full. We turn to the New Testament and find what? The birth of the King, the heralding of the Kingdom as "at hand," the announcement in the Sermon on the Mount of the principles of the Kingdom, the utter refusal of Israel to receive her King, the passing of the Kingdom into the mixed and veiled condition set forth in the seven parables of Matthew Thirteen, its full revelation being postponed till "the harvest," which is fixed definitely "at the end of this age." And then the Kingdom being thus postponed, what is revealed as filling and occupying this age? THE CHURCH!
The Biggest Failure
of the Church Age
by C.I. Scofield
C.I. Scofield - The Church's Greatest Failure
this is completely insane teaching.
the ravings of a mad man.
B
Linda70, These have such a distorted frame of reference in their understanding, that what we and others have communicated to them, as simple as it is, they understand it wrongly and make it say in their response what we have not said, and then they misapply it to accuse us of being a heretic, antisemitic and next it will be that we have joined ourselves to a harlot, that great whore, having apostatized from the faith that we never had believed in the first place. This is why they demand that we repent of our false doctrine that has come from the teaching of the synagogue of Satan. This is their criteria and what they hope to accomplish all in the name of Jesus Christ. Kind of scary, don't you think? This is like the 'Twilight Zone of Eschatology'. No pun intended.
oh pleeze.
i want nothing to do with this doctrine either
A REMNANT.....SAVED.
okay?
OUT OF THE NATION A REMNANT WAS AND WILL BE SAVED.
i want nothing to do with this doctrine either
A REMNANT.....SAVED.
okay?
OUT OF THE NATION A REMNANT WAS AND WILL BE SAVED.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
God has a Remnant that shall be saved out of all nations !
L
I agree with you Bro Brad. These folks have no desire for the truth. Like I said to you in a previous conversation, the words of the apostle Paul by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who wrote to Timothy (2 Timothy 4:2-4):
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
These folks have "turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables" (the lies of their reformed/preterist/covenant theology "teachers". Their "itching ears" can't stand truth. Prophecy is being fulfilled.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
These folks have "turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables" (the lies of their reformed/preterist/covenant theology "teachers". Their "itching ears" can't stand truth. Prophecy is being fulfilled.
"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth."
The Word of Truth, then, has right divisions, and it must be evident that, as one cannot be "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed" without observing them, so any study of that Word which ignores those divisions must be in large measure profitless and confusing. Many Christians freely confess that they find the study of the Bible weary work. More find it so, who are ashamed to make the confession.
The purpose of this pamphlet is to indicate the more important divisions of the Word of God.
Scofield then proceeds, in his brief, lawyer-like, logical style, to explain the following Biblical distinctions:
The differences between the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God.
The differences between the seven dispensations.
The differences between the two advents of Christ.
The differences between the two resurrections.
The differences between the five judgments.
The differences between law and grace.
The differences between the believer's standing and state.
The differences between salvation and rewards.
The differences between believers and professors.
Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth-2 Timothy 2:15
...
WRONGLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH ^^
...
Jesus Will Come Before and After the Tribulation
There is something else that we need to carefully distinguish. The Second Coming of Christ is actually made up of two parts or two phases. The first phase of the second coming is called the RAPTURE (for a detailed study on the rapture see the study entitled, Will The Church Go Through The Tribulation?). The second phase of the second coming takes place about seven years later. We may call this the Lord's second coming to earth. Consider the following diagram:
DISCERNING BETWEEN THE TWO COMINGS
ONE QUESTION:
where did the seven years come from?
ANSWER:
why....zone, that would be Daniel's MAGIC 70th week.
which means Jesus didn't COME AT ALL YET.
the 70th is in the future.
so NOBODY is saved.
The Word of Truth, then, has right divisions, and it must be evident that, as one cannot be "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed" without observing them, so any study of that Word which ignores those divisions must be in large measure profitless and confusing. Many Christians freely confess that they find the study of the Bible weary work. More find it so, who are ashamed to make the confession.
The purpose of this pamphlet is to indicate the more important divisions of the Word of God.
Scofield then proceeds, in his brief, lawyer-like, logical style, to explain the following Biblical distinctions:
The differences between the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God.
The differences between the seven dispensations.
The differences between the two advents of Christ.
The differences between the two resurrections.
The differences between the five judgments.
The differences between law and grace.
The differences between the believer's standing and state.
The differences between salvation and rewards.
The differences between believers and professors.
Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth-2 Timothy 2:15
...
WRONGLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH ^^
...
Jesus Will Come Before and After the Tribulation
There is something else that we need to carefully distinguish. The Second Coming of Christ is actually made up of two parts or two phases. The first phase of the second coming is called the RAPTURE (for a detailed study on the rapture see the study entitled, Will The Church Go Through The Tribulation?). The second phase of the second coming takes place about seven years later. We may call this the Lord's second coming to earth. Consider the following diagram:
DISCERNING BETWEEN THE TWO COMINGS
ONE QUESTION:
where did the seven years come from?
ANSWER:
why....zone, that would be Daniel's MAGIC 70th week.
which means Jesus didn't COME AT ALL YET.
the 70th is in the future.
so NOBODY is saved.
what you have communicated is crystal clear.
In Defense of Israel will shake Christian theology. It scripturally proves that the Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the high priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist too dangerous to live. Since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah, how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered? Read this shocking expose, In Defense of Israel - John Hagee
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Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
In Defense of Israel will shake Christian theology. It scripturally proves that the Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the high priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist too dangerous to live. Since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah, how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered? Read this shocking expose, In Defense of Israel - John Hagee
....
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
L
"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth."
The Word of Truth, then, has right divisions, and it must be evident that, as one cannot be "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed" without observing them, so any study of that Word which ignores those divisions must be in large measure profitless and confusing. Many Christians freely confess that they find the study of the Bible weary work. More find it so, who are ashamed to make the confession.
The purpose of this pamphlet is to indicate the more important divisions of the Word of God.
Scofield then proceeds, in his brief, lawyer-like, logical style, to explain the following Biblical distinctions:
The differences between the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God.
The differences between the seven dispensations.
The differences between the two advents of Christ.
The differences between the two resurrections.
The differences between the five judgments.
The differences between law and grace.
The differences between the believer's standing and state.
The differences between salvation and rewards.
The differences between believers and professors.
Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth-2 Timothy 2:15
...
WRONGLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH ^^
...
Jesus Will Come Before and After the Tribulation
There is something else that we need to carefully distinguish. The Second Coming of Christ is actually made up of two parts or two phases. The first phase of the second coming is called the RAPTURE (for a detailed study on the rapture see the study entitled, Will The Church Go Through The Tribulation?). The second phase of the second coming takes place about seven years later. We may call this the Lord's second coming to earth. Consider the following diagram:
DISCERNING BETWEEN THE TWO COMINGS
ONE QUESTION:
where did the seven years come from?
ANSWER:
why....zone, that would be Daniel's MAGIC 70th week.
which means Jesus didn't COME AT ALL YET.
the 70th is in the future.
so NOBODY is saved.
The Word of Truth, then, has right divisions, and it must be evident that, as one cannot be "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed" without observing them, so any study of that Word which ignores those divisions must be in large measure profitless and confusing. Many Christians freely confess that they find the study of the Bible weary work. More find it so, who are ashamed to make the confession.
The purpose of this pamphlet is to indicate the more important divisions of the Word of God.
Scofield then proceeds, in his brief, lawyer-like, logical style, to explain the following Biblical distinctions:
The differences between the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God.
The differences between the seven dispensations.
The differences between the two advents of Christ.
The differences between the two resurrections.
The differences between the five judgments.
The differences between law and grace.
The differences between the believer's standing and state.
The differences between salvation and rewards.
The differences between believers and professors.
Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth-2 Timothy 2:15
...
WRONGLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH ^^
...
Jesus Will Come Before and After the Tribulation
There is something else that we need to carefully distinguish. The Second Coming of Christ is actually made up of two parts or two phases. The first phase of the second coming is called the RAPTURE (for a detailed study on the rapture see the study entitled, Will The Church Go Through The Tribulation?). The second phase of the second coming takes place about seven years later. We may call this the Lord's second coming to earth. Consider the following diagram:
DISCERNING BETWEEN THE TWO COMINGS
ONE QUESTION:
where did the seven years come from?
ANSWER:
why....zone, that would be Daniel's MAGIC 70th week.
which means Jesus didn't COME AT ALL YET.
the 70th is in the future.
so NOBODY is saved.