Talking against the law is dangerous

[ivanc0]

Ephesians 3:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Acts 18:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Read post 252 again, and put it together with this post, in relation to Greek-Jews.

Seems to me that Paul was called as a minister to the Gentiles. God is not mocked, but it's ok if you mock me. Just make sure that you are mocking what God disapproves of and not what He wants us to recognize.

Romans 15:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

From what I read in Acts, the Judaizers, and legalizers didn’t like it that Paul was ministering the truth according to his ministry to the Gentiles. These Jews didn't like Gentiles being on the same level as they were according to their wrapped perception.

Acts 17:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.

I am very sorry to do this to you but see the verses below and after.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]and because he was of the same craft, he lodged with them and worked; for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And when Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Are you trying to imply he only preached in the synagogue?, He preached in the synagogue on Saturdays, and in any other opportunity to Jews and Greeks. there is no more detail. But you could see how he used to preach in other cities. It does not mean that Jews and Greeks were together in a room for him to preach. is obvious that to Jews in the synagogue, Greeks not circumcised were not allowed there, and any mix in the streets and plazas.

 

[chubbena]

There is not a change to the Mosaic Law. It was written in stone. What is changed is our New High Priest and the New Law that He places us under.

Romans 8:1-2
[SUP]1[/SUP]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

That is the difference between the Levitical Priesthood and the Priesthood according to the order of Melchizedek, The Lord Jesus.

So in effect, as you say, the law has changed... for us who have a new High Priest. Its a whole separate thing.

I think we are probably saying the same things. Just with a little different understanding?

In fact, He replaces a heart of stone with a heart of flesh and the Holy Spirit moves one to follow His decrees and be careful to keep His laws. The way to put His law in one's heart has changed, not the law itself. First was for man to impress in the heart himself but man was not able to because of his sinful nature. Now is all God's work.

 

[just-me]

You are trying to invent a theory to hide what is absolutely clear! The Moses law is Gone.
Is not me IVANC0 how has said this things. is the apostles of Jesus. And you denying it....... You have my permission to call me fool a million times if you want, .... JESUS SAID , there is no more blind that the one that does not want to see!

Okay, let us be rational. If the law that God gave to Moses is gone, according to your opinion, God has change, and we can't live, because we live by His every word.

Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Luke 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Again, and again I say it's man's law that is corrupted taking God's law and distorting the truth of God.

The name of God is all that He represents of Himself to us, and that's why He says........in His law;

Exodus 20:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

You said that...."JESUS SAID , there is no more blind that the one that does not want to see!" Please quote the scripture. The principle is there in scripture, but I cannot find that actual quote of Jesus in the Bible. Scripture does say, however....

John 9:39-41 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And some of the Pharisees (those that promoted their own law) which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Isaiah 42:18-21 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

 

[just-me]

In fact, He replaces a heart of stone with a heart of flesh and the Holy Spirit moves one to follow His decrees and be careful to keep His laws. The way to put His law in one's heart has changed, not the law itself. First was for man to impress in the heart himself but man was not able to because of his sinful nature. Now is all God's work.

That's it!!! Well spoken my friend, Well spoken!

 

[ivanc0]

To all this people who has entrenched in favor of the moses law.

How could you Ignore a Miriad of scriptures that say the same as:

Acts 15, acts 21
Ephesians 2:15
Hebrew 8:13.......etc etc etc.

I ask myself what is your real motivation to disobey God and Ignore what is so clear in the New Testament.
I know one reason is to keep tithing a life, and fill pockets with followers money.

The scripture is clear, there is no confusion, the text narrate reasons, historical events, disputes and resolutions. and you Just denny all.

I have a name for you: Pharisees!

 

[Zinzerio]

IT depends in what you actually really believe!, Bible says there is ONE gospel, but History has show men has been able to create Hundreds maybe Thousands of gospels.

Bible is SIMPLE, has been written for people with SIMPLE minds. But our brains do not want simple answers, we have to take benefit of what we teach, We neeed..... "TITHING".... so now how we build a set of believes that will support this.

We need to go back to the NT, forget all ours believe systems, and try to understand Jesus and his apostles when they tried to create and administer his church.

The truth is there, We need to start again from scratch. Jesus did not gave us if life for only the "GOSPEL GENIUSES" to understand it.

the KISS principle also applies to Christianity. (KISS=keep it simple stupid)

maybe it is you my friend who does not want a simple answer, but never the less you have had many answers and you seem not to like them as now you are calling people who are trying to help you pharisees

 

[Zinzerio]

[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]Good News Translation (GNT)

[h=3]The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus also told this parable to people who were sure of their own goodness and despised everybody else. [SUP]10 [/SUP]“Once there were two men who went up to the Temple to pray: one was a Pharisee, the other a tax collector. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood apart by himself and prayed,[SUP][a][/SUP] ‘I thank you, God, that I am not greedy, dishonest, or an adulterer, like everybody else. I thank you that I am not like that tax collector over there. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast two days a week, and I give you one tenth of all my income.’ [SUP]13 [/SUP]But the tax collector stood at a distance and would not even raise his face to heaven, but beat on his breast and said, ‘God, have pity on me, a sinner!’ [SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you,” said Jesus, “the tax collector, and not the Pharisee, was in the right with God when he went home. For those who make themselves great will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be made great

 

[just-me]

I am very sorry to do this to you but see the verses below and after.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]and because he was of the same craft, he lodged with them and worked; for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And when Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Are you trying to imply he only preached in the synagogue?, He preached in the synagogue on Saturdays, and in any other opportunity to Jews and Greeks. there is no more detail. But you could see how he used to preach in other cities. It does not mean that Jews and Greeks were together in a room for him to preach. is obvious that to Jews in the synagogue, Greeks not circumcised were not allowed there, and any mix in the streets and plazas.

You're the one that mentioned synagogues first, and I am not saying that "he only preached in the synagogue." If I quoted scripture that mentioned the synagogue that's God's implication, not mine.

I see clearly what you are saying, in that the Jews are treated differently than Gentiles, and there are 2 different sets of rules for each accordingly because God changed His law for the Gentiles, but not the Jews. To me that's skewed to say the least.

By quoting verse Acts 18:4 you retract what you said previously with God's word. How ironic.
"And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Your interpretation is ............
[SUP]"[/SUP]And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and" then Greeks in a different place other that the Jewish synagogue.

I'm implying the truth of what you purposefully refuse to see. I say God's word stands. ALL of it! Jesus didn't come to change what had been previously established by God, He came to change US!!!

 

[Zinzerio]

Jesus is the inner man in Christians.
It's Christ in us that God sees. Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3.

Hi haz just so i do not miss understand could you clear this up
[h=3]Colossians 3:3[/h]Good News Translation (GNT)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

are you saying that we have all died ?

 

[just-me]

To all this people who has entrenched in favor of the moses law.

How could you Ignore a Miriad of scriptures that say the same as:

Acts 15, acts 21
Ephesians 2:15
Hebrew 8:13.......etc etc etc.

I ask myself what is your real motivation to disobey God and Ignore what is so clear in the New Testament.
I know one reason is to keep tithing a life, and fill pockets with followers money.

The scripture is clear, there is no confusion, the text narrate reasons, historical events, disputes and resolutions. and you Just denny all.

I have a name for you: Pharisees!

What is written in the Bible that we both read, the law God gave to Moses is God's word, and it's recorded there. That law God gave to Moses is NOT Pharisaical law! The difference is clearly defined in what Jesus taught.

John 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus clearly says that the definition of "faith" in written in the law. This is NOT to imply that we receive faith by the works of the law He gave to Moses. Paul clarifies this when he says in Romans 3:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Zinzerio]

Thanks for your opinion, I really love to be called a fool from you! I take it as an Honor.

Now your explanation is trying to deny what is written in acts 15, and act 21. and you fully distorting Paul teachings Please see the verse below (it has been quoted by you)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, [SUP]15 [/SUP]by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

How God made peace between Jew and Gentiles? by setting aside the law with its commands and regulations.
This is exactly what I have been postulating.

You are trying to invent a theory to hide what is absolutely clear! The Moses law is Gone.
Is not me IVANC0 how has said this things. is the apostles of Jesus. And you denying it....... You have my permission to call me fool a million times if you want, .... JESUS SAID , there is no more blind that the one that does not want to see!

Who what where when what on earth are you talking about, he who calls a brother a fool is in fear of going to hell , Jesuse words not mine
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

I know this and i have no intention of going against it unless i am see hospitable or behaviour i will speak up but to call you a fool and not divulge with you in Gods word is inappropriate, First i must examine your beliefs and thoughts then i must try to have reconciliation with you and if then we can not then we must look to put away the old. and become a new creation for the sake of his children.

you have displayed this throughout you have have asked direct question and waited for your answer befor going in to direct confrontation instead of explaining your reason for your question in the first place.

 

[Brother_Don]

[h=3]Exodus 32:33[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]33 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.



[h=3]Ezekiel 18:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.



[h=3]Ezekiel 33:2-14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.

[h=3]Hebrews 10:34[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.


[h=3]Hebrews 10:39[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


[h=3]Revelation 22:19-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[tooldtocare]

THIS IS THE LAW

(2 Chr 7:17 KJV) And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;.

(2 Chr 7:18 KJV) Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.

(2 Chr 7:19 KJV) But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;.

You will see references to God’s commandments mentioned numerous times but the actual commandments that are being referred to are not noted. For this reason I include them below.

STRANGER—The term “stranger” is mentioned 123 times in the Holy Bible

(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Jer 14:8 KJV) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?

(Ezek 14:7 KJV) For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to inquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

(Ezek 22:7 KJV) In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.

(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress astranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger,seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

(Num 35:15 KJV) These six cities shall be a refuge, both for the children of Israel, and for thestranger, and for the sojourner among them: that every one that killeth any person unawares may flee thither.

(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
But what God asked them to do they did not and instead we find this -----

(Mat 25:38 KJV) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

(Mat 25:43 KJV) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

(Ezek 22:29 KJV) The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

The truth will set you free

 

[just-me]

Ezekiel 33:4-14

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.

DITTO!!!
Thank you for blowing the trumpet that God has given you. All of God's words spoken are for all mankind!

 

[just-me]

Who is the Pharisee, except the one who distorts, and changes that law of God for their own liking these days. Some claim it is totally gone, and call that the "fulfillment of the law," or "the end of the law," taking God's words out of context, so they can be comfortable in establishing their own righteousness by neglect or distortion?

 

[Zinzerio]

THIS IS THE LAW

(2 Chr 7:17 KJV) And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;.

(2 Chr 7:18 KJV) Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.

(2 Chr 7:19 KJV) But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;.

You will see references to God’s commandments mentioned numerous times but the actual commandments that are being referred to are not noted. For this reason I include them below.

STRANGER—The term “stranger” is mentioned 123 times in the Holy Bible

(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Jer 14:8 KJV) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?

(Ezek 14:7 KJV) For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to inquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

(Ezek 22:7 KJV) In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.

(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress astranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger,seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

(Num 35:15 KJV) These six cities shall be a refuge, both for the children of Israel, and for thestranger, and for the sojourner among them: that every one that killeth any person unawares may flee thither.

(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
But what God asked them to do they did not and instead we find this -----

(Mat 25:38 KJV) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

(Mat 25:43 KJV) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

(Ezek 22:29 KJV) The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

The truth will set you free

What i am seeing from all of this is one must treat strangers with understanding and one must seek god with all there heart.

 

[Zinzerio]

Who is the Pharisee, except the one who distorts, and changes that law of God for their own liking these days. Some claim it is totally gone, and call that the "fulfillment of the law," or "the end of the law," taking God's words out of context, so they can be comfortable in establishing their own righteousness by neglect or distortion?

I see that many people have for one reason or another lack of knowledge including myself and also maybe confusion too.

I do also see people trying to get more knowledge but are reluctant to say they don't truly know the answers instead they make out they do for fear of being called stupid,

this is what the lord says "you are to be like little children to me i am your farther and i will take all your fears away.

To me this God saying there is no need to be afraid about not knowing and to me this is saying there is no need to be afraid with his brotheres and sister in Christ also because they know this if they are children of God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I addressed that on post # 161 to you a day ago. Please re-read it

Is the will of God a burdensome yoke to those who are truly searching for the truth? answer....Man's law is, but God's law ain't.
Acts 15:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Thats an interesting thought.

Considering we find in the first part of the chapter, That Peters context was those who were trying to add GOD's Law given to Israel to the Grace of God which peter was sent to give to the gentiles.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is what you said in post 161:
"It's all a matter of how God sees it. If we see it different, that yoke is seen as burdensome and is not the yoke Jesus asks us to take onto ourselves. The Yoke of Jesus comes from His Father in heaven who doesn't change."

Where is the Historical reference in which this things are said? You have explained nothing! only work around the issue!

Here is the explanation: (read acts 15, and 21... Please)

Paul went to convert "NO JEWS", and some converted to Christianity Jews went to this people, trying to teach the Law of Moses, and as 1st steep to obey this law they have to circumcise. They have a big argument, (like you and me) and as they could not agree, the decided to go to ask the apostles, In that Frame Peter Stood UP and said those words.
The resolution was not to load the Non Jews with the Jew law!.

Have you explaained like that????????

If you listen to him speak. You will notice he does this alot. He sneakily leaves out important aspects of a passage.

Thanks for bringing this up. Circumcision was a part of Gods law. Thus that is the context of Peters words.

The yoke of the law could not be born by either the OT jews, or even the NT disciples.

It is a burden which no one can bear because it is impossible to keep it.

Thus why it must be allowed to do its job. Bring us to Christ.

 

[just-me]

Deuteronomy 30:10-14 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

1 John 5:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.