Tattoos, sin or not sin?

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Tattoos

  • Sin

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Not sin

    Votes: 9 25.7%
  • NOT SIN BUT UNWISE

    Votes: 14 40.0%
  • IDK

    Votes: 2 5.7%

  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
Oct 30, 2014
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#81
Sorry that lost post was supposed to be a reply to newbie8.
 
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Dean

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#82
Sounds like something out the Koran don't it when you talking about stoning people to death
 
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didymos

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#83
Sounds like something out the Koran don't it when you talking about stoning people to death
Interestingly the present-day Koran doesn't explicitly mention the act of stoning.
Just a side note... carry on. :)
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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#84
Not sin. Not "unwise" relative to biblical implications. Just dumb. How's that ink gonna look when you're 85, wrinkled, and/or saggy?
 

DB7

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#85
The point is, Leviticus also says women who wear mixed fibre clothing should be stoned, gay people should be stoned, daughters can be slaves, a woman on her period is unclea and should be segregated, a woman who gives birth to a boy is unclean for 7 days and to a girl is unclean for several weeks, anyone who touches the dead flesh of a pig is unclean, shellfish should not be eaten, the whole community should engage in stonings when they are to happen, anyone of a different religion who is caught practicing that religion should be killed at the gates of the city.

Why don't you adhere to all these instructions in Leviticus as well as the one prohibiting tattoos?
I believe Human that many of the laws in the Old Testament were symbolic, as in the mixing of fibers within a single garment, eating of certain foods, circumcision. But others were down-right practical and moral, like the obvious, thou shalt not covet, commit adultery, or the less obvious as in, observing the Sabbath (time to meditate on God's word), tithing/charity, and avoiding scaring the body. Again, what would be the point outside of a pretentious advertisement of one's sentiments, whether they be holy or not. And if holy, it does little good being expressed on one's arm or chest.
 
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chelsimunchkins

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#87
Hmmm? Just praying in what to do.. my son wants a tatoo.. I was raised on this scripture and that tattoos are sinful. but I feel different now.. I love the Lord.. so allowing my teen to have a tat.. would b going against God's word and leading my son into sin? What about all my Christian friends who have tattoos they love and serve the Lord.. or those who get tats.. then get saved?
 

Joidevivre

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#88
I don't think we should stress over this. It probably has to do more with the motive for getting one.

I have even thought that when I reach 90, it might be a good idea to tattoo my name, address and phone number on an accessible spot. One never knows when it might come in handy.
 
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Kerry

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#89
Hmmm? Just praying in what to do.. my son wants a tatoo.. I was raised on this scripture and that tattoos are sinful. but I feel different now.. I love the Lord.. so allowing my teen to have a tat.. would b going against God's word and leading my son into sin? What about all my Christian friends who have tattoos they love and serve the Lord.. or those who get tats.. then get saved?
Most Christians that have tats got them before salvation and is big business now in tattoo removal. The bible is against marking one's self because it was a part of Idolatry. Then it is said that God didn't make you pretty enough so you have get a man to beatify God's creation. I don't think that if you follow the leading of the Holy Spirit that He will guide you to get a tattoo, I think the influence come from somewhere else and the reason why your teen ager wants one is because his friends have one.
 

DB7

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#90
I don't think we should stress over this. It probably has to do more with the motive for getting one.

I have even thought that when I reach 90, it might be a good idea to tattoo my name, address and phone number on an accessible spot. One never knows when it might come in handy.
Agreed Joidevivre, but i think the grounds for stressing over this is derived from the permanent nature of the act. We all sin and i imagine daily, but a tattoo is a perpetual reminder, and possible distraction to move ahead and overcome the foolishness of one's former ways. The stigma remains forever. Plus, there is always the potential that it may entice others to do the same, whether or not the bearer still agrees with the principle or not.
 

Joidevivre

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#91
You know I was joking - but at 90 who cares if it lasts forever. It will not keep me from moving ahead and straight into heaven.

I do understand the previous comments, but yet I have met people with the 10 commandments on their bodies, or a cross, etc. reminding them of who they belong to now. Who knows, maybe even encouraging people who want to find God approach them where they might be nervous approaching the so-called "clean" Christian.

Just other thoughts to consider.
 

john832

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#92
Same argument could be used to ridicule Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13. js.
And you might as well add in here Lev 18:23. By the way, this prohibition is not repeated in the New Testament, does that make it OK?

As far as tattoos...

Lev 19:28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.

1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
 

john832

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#93
Actually 90% of the OT law was designed to keep them medically safe and keep them sanitary, this included marks in the body found in Leviticus 18. Gentiles were never under the law and Gentile Christians were never part of the Mosaic Covenant.

While I personally do not have any tattoo's, they are not a source of self righteousness for me. Righteousness is not personal performance to the law, it is a position with the Father and know many that have righteousness that have tattoos.

This whole OP is foolish, because it looks at the surface and not the heart.
Well, there you go, someone who has actually read the O.T. and realizes that God gave sound instruction. Oh wait,

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

Paul beat me to it with that comment.
 

john832

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#94
James 2.10 says if you break one of the laws you break them all.
I find this interesting. When James made the comment that if you break a Law, you are guilty, just as guilty as if you broke them all and we find people somehow understand this to mean the Law is done away?

It says the exact opposite.
 

john832

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#95
Because the written ordinances of the mosaic laws do not apply to believers under the new covenant, and I am with others who say depends on what the tattoo is and why it was done.

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Why, you don't think this applies?

Lev 18:23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.

After all, it is not repeated in the N.T. Does that somehow make it acceptable?
 

john832

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#96
It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks, we do not define sin. Sin is transgression of our Creator's instructions and He calls it sin.
Most cogent thought in this thread!
 

john832

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I wont hijack the OP, but your understanding of what SIN is why you fail in this discussion. SIN is not a list of do's and do not's. SIN is a choice for the believer and a nature of the spirit in the lost.

You state but you define SIN by stating

You need to look at Gen 3, 1 John 2 and James 1 to understand what SIN is. SIN is a choice not something we are helpless and defenseless against.
Well, you have your opinion and then there is the scripture...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 
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phil112

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I don't think we should stress over this. It probably has to do more with the motive for getting one.

I have even thought that when I reach 90, it might be a good idea to tattoo my name, address and phone number on an accessible spot. One never knows when it might come in handy.
Motive isn't how one gets to heaven. Christ is the door we must pass thru.

You know I was joking - but at 90 who cares if it lasts forever. It will not keep me from moving ahead and straight into heaven.

I do understand the previous comments, but yet I have met people with the 10 commandments on their bodies, or a cross, etc. reminding them of who they belong to now. Who knows, maybe even encouraging people who want to find God approach them where they might be nervous approaching the so-called "clean" Christian.

Just other thoughts to consider.
If they belong to Christ they will act accordingly. We do not have the freedom to dictate what we can do to go to heaven. Tattoos are very clearly carnal, and no one that reads the bible can possibly believe that walking in the flesh will get you to heaven.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.............
If we don't do it as God commands it is in vain. Motive isn't enough on its own.
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

.For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Paul here is concerned with Israels welfare. They are not saved because they are trusting in their own righteousness.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
It just doesn't get any clearer my friend.
 
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oldthennew

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#99
We can't imagine a parent even thinking about complying with their child
on getting a tattoo.
a young person cannot imagine the consequences of an action like this,
they only want to be like the world and scar themselves to 'fit-in'.

Parents must take Christian authority over their children's worldly desires
and teach what our Father has taught us, as He doesn't change,
no matter the generation.

our Father forgives our past mistakes when we repent, I pray that
we learn from the Spiritual lessons that we go through, especially
in our youth, and that we may help others from going head-long
into what we have already learned that is not acceptable or good.

standing-apart and standing-up for Christ takes discipline and courage,
may we all grow in these virtues for His sake and ours.
 

john832

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That's a very judgmental statement Directline...what if say I got a tattoo that stated God is Faithful, or Gloria in Excellis Deo which is latin for Glory to God in the highest...does that sound like I'm saying hey look at me im really something? With all due respect brother I believe that it is generally your generation that frowns upon tattoos as it was something not so common back then...I just find it difficult to believe that God would say hey you Moses you have tattoos sorry only non-tattooed people in Heaven! How many people are tattooed from arms to chest to legs and are used by the Lord to do wonderful things! How many people are clean and non-tattooed and their intentions heart are "inked" in evil sinful intentions. It's not about the vessel but what is in the vessel, and what's in each of us as Christians is well...Christ! :) Let us not be white washed tombs all pretty and clean and "perfect" on the outside however dirty rooting and evil on the inside...just saying...
So what you are saying is that if you do something for the right reason, even if God says not to, then it is OK? God will be just fine with it?

2Sa 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.

2Sa 6:6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.
2Sa 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.

How'd Uzzah's good faith effort to prevent the Ark from falling off the cart work out for him?

God stated specifically that the sons of Kohath should carry the ark by the poles inserted in the rings of it. They were moving the Ark in a fashion different from the instruction God gave.

2Sa 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day, and said, How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?
2Sa 6:10 So David would not remove the ark of the LORD unto him into the city of David: but David carried it aside into the house of Obededom the Gittite.
2Sa 6:11 And the ark of the LORD continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the LORD blessed Obededom, and all his household.

And what happened when they transported correctly?

2Sa 6:12 And it was told king David, saying, The LORD hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness.
2Sa 6:13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings.
2Sa 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
2Sa 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.
2Sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
2Sa 6:17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.

Seems people have always had a problem with doing things God's way. God tells us that what seems reasonable and logical to us is not always right...

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

So when God says to do something and we don't always understand why, the best course is to just do what God says.