Tattoos

[Trax]

but the issue I have is how people take the symbols in Rev too literally.

In Rev, there are mentions of two different marks on the forehead.

1. Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The word "sealed" is translated from the word "sphragizo", which means "to stamp". But this
stamp is different because it is a private mark, such as for security or preservation.

2. The other mark, is the one the anti-Christ puts, which is from the word "charagma",
which means to stamp, but this type of stamp is such as a badge of servitude.
The anti-christ will be lifted up to god status by the false prophet. The false prophet will be the
one who instituted taking the mark. The anti-christ being the ruler, will approve of this.
The false prophet puts forth the mark and the buy/sell conditon for having the mark.
The anti-christ. being the ruler, I refer back to him as forcing the mark, because I see him as
having the ultimate authority.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Disappointment is equally incompatible with omniscience - this is not an explanation. Besides, that's not what the Bible says. Genesis doesn't say God was disappointed with his creation's actions in that verse. If you insist on "disappointment" rather than "regret," or the KJV's "repent of," he was disappointed with his activity in creating man on the earth. From the KJV:



You would have the Bible say:



While the KJV is unwieldy, it does give us a pretty good sense of the construction there.

By your view you are saying the God changed his mind. Well that is rather contridictory of several scriptures isn't it?

Being sorry for something does not mean a change has or will occur. It means an action had taken place. God was not happy with mans conduct. GOD DOES NOT CHANGE!!!!

 

[Elizabeth619]

In Rev, there are mentions of two different marks on the forehead.

1. Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The word "sealed" is translated from the word "sphragizo", which means "to stamp". But this
stamp is different because it is a private mark, such as for security or preservation.

2. The other mark, is the one the anti-Christ puts, which is from the word "charagma",
which means to stamp, but this type of stamp is such as a badge of servitude.
The anti-christ will be lifted up to god status by the false prophet. The false prophet will be the
one who instituted taking the mark. The anti-christ being the ruler, will approve of this.
The false prophet puts forth the mark and the buy/sell conditon for having the mark.
The anti-christ. being the ruler, I refer back to him as forcing the mark, because I see him as
having the ultimate authority.

OH HI!! Back to the topic! lol Sorry, a few of us got off track.

Bottom line here is mine and your interpretation of this book is very different. We are not going to agree. I respect your view, and if I interpreted Rev in that way I would support it, but I cannot.

 

[mori]

By your view you are saying the God changed his mind. Well that is rather contridictory of several scriptures isn't it?

Being sorry for something does not mean a change has or will occur. It means an action had taken place. God was not happy with mans conduct. GOD DOES NOT CHANGE!!!!

At this point, it seems like you're simply ignoring the text. How, since we've seen God's personal act of creation was the agent of his repentance, regret, or disappointment - whatever you want to call it - do you read this verse? His act of creation is the subject of the sentence - in that phrase, men's actions aren't doing anything to God.

 

[mori]

Let me give you two examples:

It disappointed me that I missed your birthday party.

This is equivalent to "God was disappointed because of man's conduct."

It disappointed me that I lost my keys, which made me miss your birthday party.

This is equivalent to "God was disappointed that he had created man on earth, for they were acting badly."

In both cases, sure, the missing of the birthday party carries emotional content. In the second, however, it's the loss of keys that is explicitly disappointing me. This latter sentence more clearly mirrors the actual text of Genesis; what you're trying to say is the former, but that's not actually there.

 

[BADDOG]

lol lol you know i have always loved a great CAT fight and this one beats them all lol lol i have had so much fun reading what you 2 have said lol lol just so funny

if you both read what each other said you would both find out ,,, you 2 dont like tatoos lol lol but you both went for it page after page lol lol its been great thanks so much for so much fun ,,,, and thats what its been FUN ,,,, so both end this now before it gets personal i wouldnt like that at all ,,, nope not one bit LIZZZZZY GBU richly TRAX you 2 hun GBU ,,,,,,,, now lets just drop this whole thing huh ,,,, Great its a done deal !!!! glad we got that sorted out ,,,,, Lord bless these two great people now and always Amen

blessings to you both

BADDOG

 

[Elizabeth619]

lol lol you know i have always loved a great CAT fight and this one beats them all lol lol i have had so much fun reading what you 2 have said lol lol just so funny

if you both read what each other said you would both find out ,,, you 2 dont like tatoos lol lol but you both went for it page after page lol lol its been great thanks so much for so much fun ,,,, and thats what its been FUN ,,,, so both end this now before it gets personal i wouldnt like that at all ,,, nope not one bit LIZZZZZY GBU richly TRAX you 2 hun GBU ,,,,,,,, now lets just drop this whole thing huh ,,,, Great its a done deal !!!! glad we got that sorted out ,,,,, Lord bless these two great people now and always Amen

blessings to you both

BADDOG

You know me better than that!
But I did end the conversation with him saying I do not agree and why. No point in keeping it going. You are correct, but stil. I dont back down too easliy, but I am going to have to. I needs a shower.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Let me give you two examples:



This is equivalent to "God was disappointed because of man's conduct."



This is equivalent to "God was disappointed that he had created man on earth, for they were acting badly."

In both cases, sure, the missing of the birthday party carries emotional content. In the second, however, it's the loss of keys that is explicitly disappointing me. This latter sentence more clearly mirrors the actual text of Genesis; what you're trying to say is the former, but that's not actually there.

We aren't going to agree. That is obvious, and like I said in an earlier post. I may not like some things my son does. Especially when he disobeys me, but I will NEVER regret having him.

You think God regretted creating man, and I think God regretted mans actions. There we have it. We cannot agree.

I am going to get a shower now. Have a good day. Thanks for the chat.

 

[BADDOG]

Lizzzie God Bless You hun your one amazing Lady and this chat site is the richer for you being here

Thanks for being a friend

again God Bless you

BADDOG

 

[Elizabeth619]

Lizzzie God Bless You hun your one amazing Lady and this chat site is the richer for you being here

Thanks for being a friend

again God Bless you

BADDOG

This chat site is less boring for me being here!
Thanks to caffiene and energy drinks.

Lets go to chat and talk about tattoos!!!! jk

 

[Tombo]

For God regretting that He made us, He sure did a lot to save us!!!!! Amazing love, how can it be.....
God bless.

Tom

 

[Mark51]

The Bible speaks of worshipers of God as writing upon their hands, symbolically, the words, “Belonging to Jehovah,” thus denoting they are his slaves. (Isaiah 44:5) When Jehovah gave Israel the Law, they had to keep that Law constantly before them, so that it influenced all their actions and thoughts. The 144,000 anointed ones are said to have the Father’s name and that of Jesus written on their foreheads. This identifies them as belonging to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. (Revelation 14:1) In imitation, Satan uses the demonic mark of the wild beast.

In John’s vision, persons receiving the “mark,” figuratively speaking, of “the wild beast” on their forehead or right hand would symbolize one’s giving attention, devotion, and active support to “the wild beast” and its “image,” inasmuch as a person’s hands are used to do work in behalf of the one he serves. (Revelation 13:16,　17; 14:9,　10; 20:4) They are expected to worship the wild beast, letting it rule their lives, so as to receive its mark; and thus, would be shown to be opposers of God, for the wild beast received its authority from the dragon, Satan the Devil.

Those who refuse to accept the mark of the wild beast have had constant problems. Anybody engaged in everyday activities are pressured to do things the way the wild beast does such as celebrating holidays, fighting court battles and endure violent mobbings and other persecutions. In some areas of the earth, religion is so ingrained in community life that anyone who stands for Bible truth is ostracized by family and former friends.

In the totalitarian countries, they were thrown into concentration camps, where many died. Since the second world war, countless young men have suffered lengthy imprisonments, some even being tortured and killed, because of their refusal to compromise their Christian neutrality. In other lands Christians are literally unable to buy or sell; some are unable to own property; others are raped, murdered, or chased from their native land, pressured to buy a political party card and so forth.-John 17:16.