Temple in the Millenium, does it contradict the Gospel?

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Lanolin

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Well the temple wouldnt be a temple if there were no people to come worship there, and God does want to dwell with His people.
Maybe those circumcised in heart will also join with those circumcised in flesh.

Ezekiel 43 details these offerings that they are only to be for seven days. Also later on ezekiel talks about the passover supper they are going to have. Some animals will need to be sacrificed for that.

Its not saying its going to be forever because after this feasts are made to sanctify his people. The prince (Jesus) is going to feast with them and also give the land as gifts to those who will inherit. Then the vision carries on to the river that flows out of the house of God and wherever it goes, it heals. There will be lots of fish! Thats amazing.

I dont think those sacrifices are to be seen as a bad thing in the context of ezekiels temple, if they are going to be part of the shared feast of passover that God wants them to have and to eat with the Prince. When they do it correctly, God will be with there you know that they never really did that with the previous temples, because of Israels problems with idolatry they just could never keep it holy. Also the levites wont do it will be the sons of Zadok.

Does this negate the gospel I dont think it does. Jesus does want to sup with His people. You know the whole reason Israel got out of Egypt was because God wanted them to worship Him and have a feast. He wanted them to celebrate. This temple, or rather city (it says its a frame) is to bring His people together.

I dont think there is any contradcition between God wanting His people to gather together in one place to worship Him, have a feast and His people being his temple.

The privelige we christians have now is that we can worship Him anywhere in spirit and in truth while waiting for Jesus to return so we can see him face to face.
 

Lanolin

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Jesus' last supper, he ate passover with just his twelve disciples. Well when he returns he wants to have passover with everyone!

He is going to need a bigger venue for that.
 

iamsoandso

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I definately reject the latter view, ANY physical temple started by Christ rejecting russians in Israel would be an abomination in itself! Christ is the ONLY way!

lol I wouldn't describe myself as an peterist either but outside the camps instead. Your OP is an extremely good question one I've thought on for about 20 years...
 

iamsoandso

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On a different note, why would Jesus say the following (note the bold):

Luke 22:30,16,18 -

15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. [see also Matt26:29 "UNTIL THAT DAY when I drink it NEW WITH [G3326 - meta - accompanying] YOU in My Father's kingdom"]

[…<snip>…]

28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [see also Matt19:28 (comp. Matt25:31-34 for its TIMING)]
In Luke 24:42 and John 19:29 Jesus both eats and drinks after saying this (in the kingdom)?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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In Luke 24:42 and John 19:29 Jesus both eats and drinks after saying this (in the kingdom)?
In Luke 22:16, where it says "eat THEREOF," do you think the "thereof" refers specifically to that which was stated in the previous verse (v.15) or just food in general? (a meal at any given point in time, for example)
 

Locutus

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Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Christians having been "supping" with Christ since the resurrection.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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In Luke 24:42 and John 19:29 Jesus both eats and drinks after saying this (in the kingdom)?
And along with my last question, we could also think of other questions [in view of your point about John 19:29 when He's on the Cross (the 'vinegar')] about what 1Cor11 says,

23 For I received from the Lord that which also I delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed, took bread, 24 and having given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 Likewise also the cup after having supped, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you might drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you may eat this bread and may drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He should come.

I'm going to go try to formulate my question[/s]... lol
 

Hevosmies

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Well looks like this one is a done deal then.

Thanks for participating guys!

Conclusion: No animal sacrifice will never ever be accepted by God the Father. That was until the time of reformation, now we got the Lord Jesus Christ, forever. No period of time after the church, the Bible teaches the church is forever.

No reason to go back and to do so would be an INSULT to Jesus' blood, I DARE NOT say it! dare not

I'll have to take a look at @tanakh 's point about revelation and ezekiel having similar details. Its of note that Revelation mentions same things but things are different, such as: I saw no temple, because the Lamb was the temple.

Also reading through Ezekiel, the problem is the measurements, it would be HUGE and logistical nightmare, how'd you even get in when its flowing literal physical water from the inside? :D We are missing something guys. The more times i read through these the more im convinced we are missing it
 

TheDivineWatermark

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And along with my last question, we could also think of other questions [in view of your point about John 19:29 when He's on the Cross (the 'vinegar')] about what 1Cor11 says,
23 For I received from the Lord that which also I delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed, took bread, 24 and having given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 Likewise also the cup after having supped, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you might drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you may eat this bread and may drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He should come.
I'm going to go try to formulate my question[/s]... lol

First Question (lol):

--if the day of His death fulfilled the "drink" part ("UNTIL THAT DAY when I drink it NEW WITH [G3326 - meta - accompanying] YOU..."), then what does "[as often as you...] ... you proclaim the Lord's DEATH UNTIL He should come" mean? [keep in mind what all ISRAEL was to "PROCLAIM" (Lev23:2), by contrast ;) ]. And why did Jesus respond the way He did to their Q of Him in Acts 1:6? by His saying (in v.7), "It is not for you to know the times and the seasons...," rather than saying something like, "you nincompoops! you've already been doing that with me for FORTY DAYS! what more do you EXPECT, you ingrates! Get with the program, already!!" (uh, not what He said. ;) )
 

TheDivineWatermark

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point about revelation and ezekiel having similar details. Its of note that Revelation mentions same things but things are different, such as […]
Have you considered the point I've made in the past, about Matthew 22:7-8's SEQUENCE? :

--Matt22:7 about the 70ad events (see also the similar wording the "70ad section" of the Olivet Discourse, of Lk21:12-24a, in verses 20,23,24a); and then

--Matt22:8 then goes on to say, "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" (THIS is what FOLLOWS the 70ad events; and this correlates with the LATER writings of 95ad, the Book of Revelation, where verse 1 states, "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO His servants [see 7:3 (the 144,000)] things which must come to pass [comp 4:1 regarding the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book (1:19c also)] IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]..." (not things which would immediately transpire, NOR things which would transpire over the course of some 2000 years since the first century); which "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" things correlate with Lk18:8[chpt-17-end] AND Rom16:20 (this latter one pertaining to "the Church which is His body" and our "we shall judge angels" thing in 1Cor6:3[14], which has not even begun to take place YET! ;) )


Or, how do you propose the "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" took place (and was entirely completed) in the past instead (if that's going to be your viewpoint on it)?
 

Troubled65

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The Ezekiel Temple is Spiritual not Physical. Revelation explains Ezekiel by ''pegging'' a number of Ezekiel's details including the Temple. Revelation also describes a service in Heaven which is Gods real Temple.

Here is a list of some of the key points in Ezekiel and the corresponding places in Revelation:

Subject Ezekiel Revelation

The Throne Vision Chap 1 Chap 4

The Book Chap 2-3 Chap 5

The Four Plagues Chap 5 6: 1-8

The slain under the Altar Chap 6 6: 9-11

The wrath of God Chap 7 6: 12-17

The seal on the Saints foreheads Chap 9 Chap 7

The Coals from the Alter Chap 10 Chap 8

No more delay Chap 12 10: 1-7

The eating of the Book Chap 2 10: 8-11

The measuring of the Temple Chap 40-43 11: 1-2

Jerusalem and Sodom Chap 16 11: 8

The Cup of wrath Chap 23 Chap 14

The Vine of the Land Chap 15 14: 18-20

The Great Harlot Chap 16,23 Chap 17,18

The lament over the City Chap 27 Chap 18

The scavengers feast Chap 39 Chap 19

The first Resurrection Chap 37 20: 4-6

Gog and Magog Chap 38,39 20: 7-9

The New Jerusalem Chap 40-48 Chap 21

The River of Life Chap 47 Chap 22


The reason for this list is to to place the threads subject in the context of Ezekiel as a whole

I think you might be correct. It wasn't until recently that a Jewish man on the Jim Bakker show mentioned it briefly that I considered it. If it is a spiritual temple, might we be witnessing 2Thessalonians chapter 2 right now?