TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[Thunderrr-mental]

You've deducted then, from this, that the mark on the wrist is for unbeliever?

well it's right here in Ezekiel.

3Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."5


As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion.

 

[Mem]

well it's right here in Ezekiel.

3Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."5


As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion.

Lol, I'll come back later when somebody's home.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Lol, I'll come back later when somebody's home.

you can run but you can't hide 😋

 

[cv5]

well not so long ago in fact two pages ago, you had many lashings but didn't learn.

This is what the bible says 😊

And as our friend Cameron says it's all good. 🥳

The saying goes a wise man will take warning but a fool will only learn from 100 lashings..

So now which field have you two just falling into. 😋

Here you go buddy.

Context: Gods plan for the redemption of Israel after their TEMPORARY fails.
Warning: don't be the village idiot by condemning them or denying Gods work of grace in redeeming them yet future.

Rom 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Here you go buddy.

Context: Gods plan for the redemption of Israel after their TEMPORARY fails.
Warning: don't be the village idiot by condemning them or denying Gods work of grace in redeeming them yet future.

Rom 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

But yet Jacob was renamed Isreal, which is an indication it would be his son's that would be Isreal and not some piece of land.

Which is also indication all land will will be become the kingdoms of Christ all over the world.

Whilst Jerusalem may be the home to the the new heavenly Jerusalem it still doesn't make that land any more blessed than other land.

If you read Genesis 49 the last words to his son's from Isreal (Jacob),
is about prophecy of what will come to the sons of Isreal. It's indicates they will all go through a great tribulation until salvation has come for all Isreal

Whilst all the sons of Isreal will be saved, it's important to recognise Isreal are those who follow Christ

Isreal is not a Jew or a gentile God has made no distinction,

 

[Inquisitor]

Can you lay down your eschatology? Especially regarding 2 Thessalonians 2:4 & Matthew 24:15?

I do not hold a subscription to any of the interpretations in eschatology.

Perhaps you can explain the following verse, given you have some knowledge of eschatology.

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

You need to deal with the verse above and so does every other eschatology.

As for your question related to the former temple in Jerusalem.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

What is the "temple of God" in the twenty first century?

If you want to know where the temple stood in Jerusalem. Then ask the Jews. The temple site is where the 'Holy of Holies' was located. The most sacred site in all of Israel. That is a location in Jerusalem that the Jews would never forget.

 

[Inquisitor]

Instead of thinking you are smart. You should so some research.

They have the priests garments. They have all the utensils that go into the temple. They have everything they need (some are planning to actually going to start sacrifice and burnt offering without the temple)

The only thing keeping them from starting is like many people. They are not smart enough to realize the dome of the rock is not the site. It sits on the old fortress Antonia. Because like many religious people, They can not break tradition.

So anyway, as for replacing politicians? The Sanhedrin were not priests.. so they do not have to replace them,

You should worry about the flaws of your own eschatology.

What flaws in my eschatology?

The priests have garments?

So what? That is a meaningless statement.

Building a temple in Jerusalem anywhere near the temple mount is impossible.

The Jews know where the former temple stood. The temple was the most important building in the law, the focal point.
You need to listen.
Must See New Evidence that Proves the Temple was on the Temple Mount Over the Dome of the Rock!

 

[cv5]

Building a temple in Jerusalem anywhere near the temple mount is impossible.

Did you need me to refute that faulty assertion from the Bible?

Tell me you don't. Please tell me you don't.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

The body is the third temple.Before you are made a new creature what were you prior to that?A beast.In the image of another.The one who Jesus told the pharisees "you are of your father."
I've mentioned this quite a bit when talking about images of stone tablets,and mercy seats, that God created for his glory that are on our physical bodies.
Our brain is two stone tablets and it is also a mercy seat.A lot of people didn't like it that I've said that the pineal gland sits on the mercy seat.

When Jesus came down and dwelt among men,when the tabernacle comes down from heaven in Revelation these things relate to repentance and receiving the blood of Jesus.
When the tabernacle comes down from heaven,Jesus sits on the mercy seat.That's the Holy Spirit.The heart.The two cherubim on top of the mercy seat is the Word of God,The water and the blood.
If you are of God then you have his name written on your forehead.His Word is written on the two stone tablets in your head.Your thoughts are for God.The water and the blood.That's the tabernacle.

When you have the Holy Spirit in you guess what?He is sitting on the mercy seat.Your lungs are Two stone tablets so you can testify of his Two Witnesses.You are my witnesses says the Lord.You are living stones.Your feet are two stone tablets for your walk with God.Your hands are two stone tablets for his works.

What if you are not in his image?Then satan sits on the mercy seat and declares himself as god.the continual burnt offerings are taken away.Which are the prayers of the saints.
Your thoughts are not of God.his mark is written on your forehead.Your heart is not of God.Your walk is not of God.Your works are not of God.That makes you in the image of the serpent that was raised on the pole that Jesus took and he raised it up.The pole that was the branch raised up the brazen serpent as Moses as his witness.

Ecclesiastes 3:17-18
I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

There is the beast/anti-Christ who is a person,And then there's the ones who are in the image of the beast.
Those who are anti-Christ,worship the image of the beast.
Satan and his fallen ones came down and wanted to what? Fulfil the flesh.
What happens then?You are taking what is written on the living stone tablets,and changing the times and laws.
The living stone tablets is your brain/thoughts and your lungs.

God's people would have his Word 'written' on the Two living Stone tablets in their head.
God's people would fill their lungs with Word of God and speak it in spirit!

On earth as it is in heaven.I can't stress this verse enough.God's breath is Spirit and gives life.The air we breath enters our lungs and these two stone tablets become living stones!

Isn't that how you are made alive and born again?It is only by the Spirit,water,and the blood.
And it is the same with these living stones.
The same goes for the two living stones in your head.Without oxygen going into your brain is there life?

Job 33:4
The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

 

[cv5]

But yet Jacob was renamed Isreal, which is an indication it would be his son's that would be Isreal and not some piece of land.

Which is also indication all land will will be become the kingdoms of Christ all over the world.

Whilst Jerusalem may be the home to the the new heavenly Jerusalem it still doesn't make that land any more blessed than other land.

If you read Genesis 49 the last words to his son's from Isreal (Jacob),
is about prophecy of what will come to the sons of Isreal. It's indicates they will all go through a great tribulation until salvation has come for all Isreal

Whilst all the sons of Isreal will be saved, it's important to recognise Isreal are those who follow Christ

Isreal is not a Jew or a gentile God has made no distinction,

How in the world could it be that @Thunderrr-mental @Cameron143 have failed so miserably to rightly understand Romans 11:25-26? Do they even know that these passages exist? Well they certainly don't know why they exist.

Well they certainly do exist. They exist for at least one purpose, that being to explode heresies. Among many other staggeringly profound reasons.

-Paul effectively preaching salvation to gentiles duringing the Church age (the NOW REVEALED mystery of Ephesians 1 and 3)
-gentiles being saved at the timing of its writing thru to the present day
-blindness imposed upon the nation Israel until ALL THOSE saved of the Gentile bride Church is complete
-Israel's eyes to be opened YET FUTURE after the rapture in the midst of the great tribulation
-Salvation of the nation and redemption to their land is guaranteed

This intentional delineation of two distinct parties and their dichotomy of spiritual condition being the manifestly obvious content of the passage and previous two chapters. The main thrust being God's salvation power being exercised for the benefit of both.

 

[cv5]

There is the beast/anti-Christ who is a person

No you've got that all wrong.

The beast king of Revelation is a very peculiar, distinct unique person. A one-of-a-kind person.

He is the "Satan-man" ("the lie" "the counterfeit"), indwelt and empowered by Satan himself. The most brilliant and powerful of all created beings. Who is allowed to rise up in the end times as a seemingly unbeatable unkillllable warrior king. Men put their faith and trust in this counterfeit, thinking that he is powerful enough to challenge God Himself.

Fallen men are nothing more than minions, dupes, and dust under his feet.

 

[Cameron143]

How in the world could it be that @Thunderrr-mental @Cameron143 have failed so miserably to rightly understand Romans 11:25-26? Do they even know that these passages exist? Well they certainly don't know why they exist.

Well they certainly do exist. They exist for at least one purpose, that being to explode heresies. Among many other staggeringly profound reasons.

-Paul effectively preaching salvation to gentiles duringing the Church age (the NOW REVEALED mystery of Ephesians 1 and 3)
-gentiles being saved at the timing of its writing thru to the present day
-blindness imposed upon the nation Israel until ALL THOSE saved of the Gentile bride Church is complete
-Israel's eyes to be opened YET FUTURE after the rapture in the midst of the great tribulation
-Salvation of the nation and redemption to their land is guaranteed

This intentional delineation of two distinct parties and their dichotomy of spiritual condition being the manifestly obvious content of the passage and previous two chapters. The main thrust being God's salvation power being exercised for the benefit of both.

So you understand the book of Romans? By all means break it down for me. Start at chapter 1 and take me through Paul's points and arguments as he builds to the verses at the end of Romans 11.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

How in the world could it be that @Thunderrr-mental @Cameron143 have failed so miserably to rightly understand Romans 11:25-26? Do they even know that these passages exist? Well they certainly don't know why they exist.

Well they certainly do exist. They exist for at least one purpose, that being to explode heresies. Among many other staggeringly profound reasons.

-Paul effectively preaching salvation to gentiles duringing the Church age (the NOW REVEALED mystery of Ephesians 1 and 3)
-gentiles being saved at the timing of its writing thru to the present day
-blindness imposed upon the nation Israel until ALL THOSE saved of the Gentile bride Church is complete
-Israel's eyes to be opened YET FUTURE after the rapture in the midst of the great tribulation
-Salvation of the nation and redemption to their land is guaranteed

This intentional delineation of two distinct parties and their dichotomy of spiritual condition being the manifestly obvious content of the passage and previous two chapters. The main thrust being God's salvation power being exercised for the benefit of both.

many biblical scholars believe there is no rapture before the great tribulation so i wonder like many biblical scholars whether your whole premise is based on dispensationalism.

i addressed you about this last time we spoke and so far you have not answered.

Why don't you tell us exactly who is Isreal in Romans 11:25-26. I'm yet to get an answer of you.

Jesus said this

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

 

[cv5]

many biblical scholars believe there is no rapture before the great tribulation so i wonder like many biblical scholars whether your whole premise is based on dispensationalism.

i addressed you about this last time we spoke and so far you have not answered.

Why don't you tell us exactly who is Isreal in Romans 11:25-26. I'm yet to get an answer of you.

Jesus said this

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

I just had a large dinner, so PLEASE do not serve up any more word salad.
And leave off heresy dressing if you don't mind.

 

[Mem]

So that you will not be ignorant of this mystery, and so that you will not be conceited, that a hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the gentiles has come in...."

Can we gather the meaning from this as that that 'praying field' has been leveled? And that there is a partial hardening of Israel in order to 'mirror that of the partial fullness of the Gentiles (which implicates their partial hardness as much), and when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, then will, also, all of Israel be saved...
so, it seems to me, that all will come into fullness as one, no distinction, neither jew nor gentile, all one new man in Christ, which synchronizes perfectly with the rest of scripture.

 

[cv5]

So you understand the book of Romans? By all means break it down for me. Start at chapter 1 and take me through Paul's points and arguments as he builds to the verses at the end of Romans 11.

I take it that you are actually trying to convey to us the fact that you can't provide a straight answer for Rom 11:25 and 26?

Okay we get it. Thanks buddy.

 

[Cameron143]

So that you will not be ignorant of this mystery, and so that you will not be conceited, that a hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the gentiles has come in...."

Can we gather the meaning from this as that that 'praying field' has been leveled? And that there is a partial hardening of Israel in order to 'mirror that of the partial fullness of the Gentiles (which implicates their partial hardness as much), and when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, then will, also, all of Israel be saved...
so, it seems to me, that all will come into fullness as one, no distinction, neither jew nor gentile, all one new man in Christ, which synchronizes perfectly with the rest of scripture.

Praying field...nice. I'm going to use that. I'll give proper accreditation everywhere but at Harvard.

 

[Cameron143]

I take it that you are actually trying to convey to us the fact that you can't provide a straight answer for Rom 11:25 and 26?

Okay we get it. Thanks buddy.

That's not it. I'll be happy to do what I asked of you. But you set yourself up as the great and wonderful Oz. I was just seeing if you are alot of noise and insults when we look behind the curtain.

 

[cv5]

Why don't you tell us exactly who is Isreal in Romans 11:25-26.

Sure. The nation Israel now in unbelief, who go through the great tribulation, are deceived by and mistakenly trust the counterfit Christ a.k.a. Antichrist, react in shock and horror after his betrayal of them to their genocidal doom, then cry out to their true Lord and Savior Yahweh Whom they earlier rejected, Who hears their earnest cry and comes down from heaven with the earlier raptured host to destroy the Antichrist personally and save them. Who then regain their office as priests to lovingly serve Yahweh through the millennium.

That Israel. Yup that's them.....the one and only.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I just had a large dinner, so PLEASE do not serve up any more word salad.
And leave off heresy dressing if you don't mind.

ahh I see your so full that you thought you would come on here and burp out some wind.