TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[Thunderrr-mental]

Sure. The nation Israel now in unbelief, who go through the great tribulation, are deceived by and mistakenly trust the counterfit Christ a.k.a. Antichrist, react in shock and horror after his betrayal of them to their genocidal doom, then cry out to their true Lord and Savior Yahweh Whom they earlier rejected, Who hears their earnest cry and comes down from heaven with the earlier raptured host to destroy the Antichrist personally and save them. Who then regain their office as priests to lovingly serve Yahweh through the millennium.

That Israel. Yup that's them.....the one and only.

oh I see now I get you right ok thanks.

So your dispute is we don't believe that this type of Isreal is saved.

So your claiming the Isreal that is saved are the Jews who reject Jesus.

Right ok.

I take it you belief the Jews have already been Judged and God is allowing them to live under a separate covenant to us untill his millennium kingdom is set up after the rapture.

Am I correct 🤔

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

No you've got that all wrong.

The beast king of Revelation is a very peculiar, distinct unique person. A one-of-a-kind person.

He is the "Satan-man" ("the lie" "the counterfeit"), indwelt and empowered by Satan himself. The most brilliant and powerful of all created beings. Who is allowed to rise up in the end times as a seemingly unbeatable unkillllable warrior king. Men put their faith and trust in this counterfeit, thinking that he is powerful enough to challenge God Himself.

Fallen men are nothing more than minions, dupes, and dust under his feet.

The beast is the reversed Jesus in the flesh.Just like how Jesus was spirit filled without measure,the beast is filled with the spirit of satan.
So the beast is a man.That's what we agree on.

Fallen man is in the image of the beast the same way we who are saved are made in the image of God.
We stand above the waters, separated by a firmament and those that are the waters below the firmament are as dust under our feet.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The beast is the reversed Jesus in the flesh.Just like how Jesus was spirit filled without measure,the beast is filled with the spirit of satan.
So the beast is a man.That's what we agree on.

Fallen man is in the image of the beast the same way we who are saved are made in the image of God.
We stand above the waters, separated by a firmament and those that are the waters below the firmament are as dust under our feet.

wrong the anti Christ is a spirit not of this world.

Your reading a false doctrine on the net somewhere

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

wrong the anti Christ is a spirit not of this world.

Your reading a false doctrine on the net somewhere

He is a man filled with the spirit of satan the same way Jesus was filled with the spirit of God and came in the flesh.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

He is man filled with the spirit of satan the same way Jesus was filled with the spirit of God and came in the flesh.

wrong again

The bible says many antichrists are in the world

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

wrong again

The bible says many antichrists are in the world

Which is what I'm saying in my posts.Those who are in the image of the beast are anti-Christ.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Which is what I'm saying in my posts.Those who are in the image of the beast are anti-Christ.

wrong again a man can't be the image of the beast.

Go and study the bible correctly

 

[cv5]

So that you will not be ignorant of this mystery, and so that you will not be conceited, that a hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the gentiles has come in...."

Can we gather the meaning from this as that that 'praying field' has been leveled? And that there is a partial hardening of Israel in order to 'mirror that of the partial fullness of the Gentiles (which implicates their partial hardness as much), and when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, then will, also, all of Israel be saved...
so, it seems to me, that all will come into fullness as one, no distinction, neither jew nor gentile, all one new man in Christ, which synchronizes perfectly with the rest of scripture.

The continuation theology crowd needs to ask themselves:

Why in the world would the apostle Paul (of all people!), preacher to the gentiles and gifted with the fullest revelation of God's mysteries, purposes, and prophecy, even ever bring up the concept of an existing and future "nation Israel" to begin with?

And why are profound prophetic terms used so liberally that paint a glorious future of redemption, reconcilliation, true worship and service?

I mean why isn't Paul just kicking them to the curb and condemning them like the continuation theology crowd and their various cohorts?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

wrong again a man can't be the image of the beast.

Go and study the bible correctly

Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


That's why the brazen serpent was lifted up.Jesus took this corrupted body from the fall and he raised it up.

Romans 1:18-23
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

How is this not made simple?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The continuation theology crowd needs to ask themselves:

Why in the world would the apostle Paul (of all people!), preacher to the gentiles and gifted with the fullest revelation of God's mysteries, purposes, and prophecy, even ever bring up the concept of an existing and future "nation Israel" to begin with?

And why are profound prophetic terms used so liberally that paint a glorious future of redemption, reconcilliation, true worship and service?

I mean why isn't Paul just kicking them to the curb and condemning them like the continuation theology crowd and their various cohorts?

but yet i see lot more continuing of your doctrine.

Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


That's why the brazen serpent was lifted up.Jesus took this corrupted body from the fall and he raised it up.

Romans 1:18-23
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

How is this not made simple?

no where does this say a man can be the image of the beast.

All you've found is something that sounds like that. Really anyway go and read the thread I just started about who is the anti Christ.

Your not the only one around here who believes what you do. Youll find many people will agree.

But guess what your all so wrong

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

but yet i see lot more continuing of your doctrine.
no where does this say a man can be the image of the beast.

All you've found is something that sounds like that. Really anyway go and read the thread I just started about who is the anti Christ.

Your not the only one around here who believes what you do. Youll find many people will agree.

But guess what your all so wrong

Explain why the brazen serpent had to be raised up.And why Romans 1:18-23 compares corruptible man to a beast which the serpent was the most subtil beast of them all.
Why did Jesus take this corrupted body and make it incorruptible?.Why did satan tempt him by offering him the world while he was in the flesh?.
Why does scripture keeps stating deny the body.Deny yourself?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Explain why the brazen serpent had to be raised up.And why Romans 1:18-23 compares corruptible man to a beast which the serpent was the most subtil beast of them all.
Why did Jesus take this corrupted body and make it incorruptible?.Why did satan tempt him by offering him the world while he was in the flesh?.
Why does scripture keeps stating deny the body.Deny yourself?

If I'm not posting the scriptures to testify whatever it is I'm talking about it is because people should know what I'm referring to.
For the most part I'll post them.Alls you said is that I'm wrong.

 

[Mem]

The continuation theology crowd needs to ask themselves:

Why in the world would the apostle Paul (of all people!), preacher to the gentiles and gifted with the fullest revelation of God's mysteries, purposes, and prophecy, even ever bring up the concept of an existing and future "nation Israel" to begin with?

And why are profound prophetic terms used so liberally that paint a glorious future of redemption, reconcilliation, true worship and service?

I mean why isn't Paul just kicking them to the curb and condemning them like the continuation theology crowd and their various cohorts?

All the differing theologies are easy to get mixed up. The distinctions are Replacement, the Church and Israel refer to the same group of people, and its foundation is Covenant Theology (Works, Grace, Redemption); Separation, the Church and Israel refer to different groups of people, and is sometimes called dispensationalism; and Remnant Theology, the Church and Israel overlap in some manner, and considers the Gentile Church as partaker of the covenants and promises given to Remnant Israel, a faithful subset of Israel called the "Remnant' or "Israel of God."

Without elaborating further about the distinctions, I'll just say that I'm convinced of Remnant Theology so I don't believe that God is 'done with Israel' nor that the Church will be reigning in heaven while Israel is reigning on earth during the millennium.

So, when the "full number of Gentiles comes in," then, "all Israel will be saved."

30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you.i 32For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.

These verses speak in terms of now, today, if you hear His voice and do not harden your hearts... Those promises are for us as much as for Abraham and his descendants. Otherwise, what would we have for them to be jealous for?

 

[Inquisitor]

So you understand the book of Romans? By all means break it down for me. Start at chapter 1 and take me through Paul's points and arguments as he builds to the verses at the end of Romans 11.

You have another eager spectator. Nearly all fail the Romans exam.

 

[Inquisitor]

All the differing theologies are easy to get mixed up. The distinctions are Replacement, the Church and Israel refer to the same group of people, and its foundation is Covenant Theology (Works, Grace, Redemption); Separation, the Church and Israel refer to different groups of people, and is sometimes called dispensationalism; and Remnant Theology, the Church and Israel overlap in some manner, and considers the Gentile Church as partaker of the covenants and promises given to Remnant Israel, a faithful subset of Israel called the "Remnant' or "Israel of God."

Without elaborating further about the distinctions, I'll just say that I'm convinced of Remnant Theology so I don't believe that God is 'done with Israel' nor that the Church will be reigning in heaven while Israel is reigning on earth during the millennium.

So, when the "full number of Gentiles comes in," then, "all Israel will be saved."

30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you.i 32For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.

These verses speak in terms of now, today, if you hear His voice and do not harden your hearts... Those promises are for us as much as for Abraham and his descendants. Otherwise, what would we have for them to be jealous for?

You bet, so difficult to understand all the angles and interpretations. Not surprised that the differences are not well understood, because there are so many variations on the themes.

You wrote the following verse.

So, when the "full number of Gentiles comes in," then, "all Israel will be saved."

Luke 21:24
And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Romans 11:25-26
...that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved.

Neither verse states anything about the "full number" of Gentiles.

You may have a different translation of both of the verses above.

 

[Inquisitor]

Did you need me to refute that faulty assertion from the Bible?

Tell me you don't. Please tell me you don't.

Islam has three holy buildings on the temple mount. No one is building anything up there.

Your daydreaming, if you believe there will be a third temple on the temple mount.

 

[Mem]

You bet, so difficult to understand all the angles and interpretations. Not surprised that the differences are not well understood, because there are so many variations on the themes.

You wrote the following verse.

So, when the "full number of Gentiles comes in," then, "all Israel will be saved."

Luke 21:24
And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Romans 11:25-26
...that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved.

Neither verse states anything about the "full number" of Gentiles.

You may have a different translation of both of the verses above.

I use Bible Hub to retrieve verse references which offers just about every translation available and am not as nitpicky about wording as some would rather be, but not without any discernment of the intended meaning. For instance, the reference in Luke of the time of the Gentiles seems to me to have a darker connotation to it, i.e. the trampling, then that of Romans, and the fullness of the Gentiles there is speaking as much to the full number of gentile believers as much as the time allotted for (all and/or/if any) gentiles to come in.

 

[Komentaja]

I do not hold a subscription to any of the interpretations in eschatology.

Perhaps you can explain the following verse, given you have some knowledge of eschatology.

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

You need to deal with the verse above and so does every other eschatology.

As for your question related to the former temple in Jerusalem.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

What is the "temple of God" in the twenty first century?

If you want to know where the temple stood in Jerusalem. Then ask the Jews. The temple site is where the 'Holy of Holies' was located. The most sacred site in all of Israel. That is a location in Jerusalem that the Jews would never forget.

I never claimed to be some eschatology expert. But as for the verse last hour, I get what you mean, something had to happen soon and you will probably say thats AD70, to which I would agree prophecy was fulfilled, but not all prophecy ,like Jesus returning and the resurrection happening for instance.

I know where the holy of holies was but there is a mosque there now, which sure is an abomination BUT the mosque is not a "who" its a thing, a building, not a person claiming to be God, which no muslim could ever do as it would be considered shirk of the highest order and they would be killed for it

Could you explain that to me? How can it be a WHO

 

[Inquisitor]

The continuation theology crowd needs to ask themselves:

Why in the world would the apostle Paul (of all people!), preacher to the gentiles and gifted with the fullest revelation of God's mysteries, purposes, and prophecy, even ever bring up the concept of an existing and future "nation Israel" to begin with?

And why are profound prophetic terms used so liberally that paint a glorious future of redemption, reconcilliation, true worship and service?

I mean why isn't Paul just kicking them to the curb and condemning them like the continuation theology crowd and their various cohorts?

That is a tough question to answer.

Why in the world would the apostle Paul (of all people!), preacher to the gentiles and gifted with the fullest revelation of God's mysteries, purposes, and prophecy, even ever bring up the concept of an existing and future "nation Israel" to begin with?

What does Paul mean by the phrase "all Israel"?

Israel has not been around for two thousand years.

The modern nation of Israel is mostly a secular nation.

Where does Paul talk about a geographical, future nation of Israel?

Or is Paul talking about the Jews that believe and calling them Israel?

 

[Inquisitor]

I never claimed to be some eschatology expert. But as for the verse last hour, I get what you mean, something had to happen soon and you will probably say thats AD70, to which I would agree prophecy was fulfilled, but not all prophecy ,like Jesus returning and the resurrection happening for instance.

I know where the holy of holies was but there is a mosque there now, which sure is an abomination BUT the mosque is not a "who" its a thing, a building, not a person claiming to be God, which no muslim could ever do as it would be considered shirk of the highest order and they would be killed for it

I did not call you an expert on eschatology.

I agree with what you wrote.

Prophecy by the bundle was fulfilled during the life of Jesus and after the death and resurrection.

The law was fulfilled, the prophets were fulfilled, we became immortal.

Yes, Jesus will return, how that plays out, I have no idea. I don't think anyone else knows either.