TEN COMMANDMENTS

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Are The Ten Commandments Done Away With?


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zone

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#21
Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a youth I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Jesus is ISRAEL. 2000 Years ago, Gentiles were grafted into HIM. To be come ONE.


We are chosen in christ. Chosen peopel of Israel.
AMEN DF!
thank you.
 

zone

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Ephesians two says Jew and Gentile are now one in Christ (we make one body of Christ), not that Gentiles become Israel. Galatians 3 says there is now (in Christ) neither Jew or Gentile- not that Gentiles become Israel. Romans 11 says that Gentile followers of Christ are grafted into the olive tree that is Israel and the patriarchs, not that we become Israel.
You are missing the point of these passages, which is that the two groups together form one body of Christ, not that they lose their identity or that Gentiles become Israel.
we who believe (jew & gentile) are spiritual israel, grafted into Christ who is THE ISRAEL.

interesting that Paul says the mixing of Law into the Gospel of Grace is cursed.

Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

12Brothers,c I entreat you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong. 13You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, 14and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 15What then has become of the blessing you felt? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me. 16Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?d 17They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out, that you may make much of them. 18It is always good to be made much of for a good purpose, and not only when I am present with you, 19my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! 20I wish I could be present with you now and change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
 
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yaright

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Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a youth I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Jesus is ISRAEL. 2000 Years ago, Gentiles were grafted into HIM. To be come ONE.


We are chosen in christ. Chosen peopel of Israel.


Your witness is true. God's son being called out of Egypt became the very image of what His Son has done for each of us; That we were called out from our own Egypt. For those who are able to understand; Even more is to say that we ate "The Last Supper"

in that land, in the end of (that way of life) that day; And when this was done, He showed us how to cross over in the dawning of the New Day in Christ.
 
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in that land, in the end of (that way of life) that day; And when this was done, He showed us how to cross over in the dawning of the New Day in Christ.
Wow it is so amazing that people have such authority to declare whatever they want without proof.
 

zone

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Your witness is true. God's son being called out of Egypt became the very image of what His Son has done for each of us; That we were called out from our own Egypt. For those who are able to understand; Even more is to say that we ate "The Last Supper"

in that land, in the end of (that way of life) that day; And when this was done, He showed us how to cross over in the dawning of the New Day in Christ.
AMEN!
Joshua did not give them rest.
Jesus gives rest.
and we enter into that rest now.

we have no continuing city.
 
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AnandaHya

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Romans chapter 13 verses 8, 9 and 10.

Galatians chapter 5 verses 16 to 26.

Matthew chapter 22 verses 34 to 40.

Mark chapter 12 verses 28 to 34.
Romans 13:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,”[a] “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[c] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galatians 5:16-26
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Matthew 22:34-40
New King James Version (NKJV)
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Mark 12:28-34
New King James Version (NKJV)
28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving[a] that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”
29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.[c] 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. 33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul,[e] and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
But after that no one dared question Him.
 

Katy-follower

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The Ten commandments are from God, so no - we must follow them, as followers of Christ.

Unfortunately there are many who are not followers of Christ, since they do not want to follow his word, including the commandments.


Deuteronomy 5:1-21...

I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

‘ Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

‘ Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.

‘You shall not murder.

‘You shall not commit adultery.

‘You shall not steal.

‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’
 

Elizabeth619

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Elizabeth 1) they were given to Israel, not the jews, the jews are the tribe of Judah. 2)the commandments are for Israel, which we all are. It has nothing to do with Moses. Do you believe that we don't have to obey the Ten Commandments?
Well, I have never killed anyone......yet.
Havent stole much lately.
Havent commited adultery.
And so on...so yes. I do "obey" the Commandments. It is part of moral law. Most of the 10 commandments are AGAINST the law.



btw. HI!




(I betcha you're smiling right now aren't ya?)
 
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plain and simple question, are The Ten Commandments done away with. Due to so much controversy and up and down, I thought this poll would help. Plus if you're willing, show why with scripture your answer. Shalom
"God"
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.exod

"Jesus christ"
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. math 4

"God"
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.



2nd cor
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.



"God"
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.exod


Jesus christ
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

"God"
Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

eph 6
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.



God
Thou shalt not kill.
exo


Degrees of murder in the United States
States have adopted several different schemes for classifying murders by degree. The most common separates murder into two degrees, and treats voluntary and involuntary manslaughter as separate crimes that do not constitute murder.
First Degree Murder is any murder that is willful and premeditated. Felony Murder is typically first degree.[4].Second Degree Murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.[5]Voluntary Manslaughter sometimes called a "Heat of Passion" murder, is any intentional killing that involved no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed." Both this and second degree murder are committed on the spot, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.[6]Involuntary Manslaughter stems from unintentional, but reckless or criminally negligent behavior. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter. Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional," because the killer did not intend for a death to result from his intentional actions.[7]

God
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
exod



romans
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery,Thou shalt not kill,Thou shalt not steal,Thou shalt not bear false witness,Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Jesus christ
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.



God
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.exod

eph
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

God
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.exod

When we stop serving the flesh and do Gods will.We stop the works we would have done and enter into God sabath

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Love a friend in God in Jesus name
 
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See_KING_Truth

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Matthew 5:17

King James Version (KJV)


17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

I think this verse says it all.
 
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The (10) commandments are still in your Bible, they are still holy (Rom 7:12) and they can be heeded and kept by any believer, whether a Jew or a Gentile. Even the sabbath is no exception, when we understand how a believer keeps the sabbath by entering into God's rest (Heb 4). The only difference is this... if we do not the law and the commandments or we fail to keep them (even in unbelief), we are not condemned by the law because we are under the authority of grace (justice satisfied) of those commandments and not under the authority of the law (legality, transgression and condemnation) of those commandments (Rom 6:14).

Jesus came to fulfill the commandments of the law through grace and truth (Mt 5:17, Jn 1:17) and through justice being satisfied on the cross through His shed blood (Rom 5:9) and not through any other means. If any would be found violating the law as a transgressor (Jm 2:10,11), they are not condemned or brought to justice without mercy, because the believer is justified by the faith of Christ and not by the work and keeping of the law. Those that live under the law without grace will always be found as transgressors when they violate the law, but those that are under grace will have God's provision that will judge them according to mercy and make them stand in that grace (Rom 5:2, 14:4, 1Pt 5:12).
 

JaumeJ

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plain and simple question, are The Ten Commandments done away with. Due to so much controversy and up and down, I thought this poll would help. Plus if you're willing, show why with scripture your answer. Shalom
God said it, and they are commandments. God prefers obedience to sacrifice. It is fulfilling to please our Father whenever and where ever within our power. Also, looking at the Ten Commandments under the auspices of love they are beautiful; it is common sense to me, and I am certain it is also to all who love Jesus Christ.
 

Grandpa

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The Ten commandments are from God, so no - we must follow them, as followers of Christ.

Unfortunately there are many who are not followers of Christ, since they do not want to follow his word, including the commandments.
The jews who rejected Jesus followed the 10 commandments. Trying to follow the 10 commandments in a fleshly way is rejecting Jesus and what He has done for us. A follower of Jesus does not break any commandments but not because they can keep the law in their flesh. A follower of Jesus doesn't break commandments because they are following a higher law, the law of the Spirit, Love. Against the fruit of the spirit there is no law. I wonder if this requires a revelation because some seem blind to this Fact.

God Bless You
 
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The jews who rejected Jesus followed the 10 commandments. Trying to follow the 10 commandments in a fleshly way is rejecting Jesus and what He has done for us. A follower of Jesus does not break any commandments but not because they can keep the law in their flesh. A follower of Jesus doesn't break commandments because they are following a higher law, the law of the Spirit, Love. Against the fruit of the spirit there is no law. I wonder if this requires a revelation because some seem blind to this Fact.

God Bless You
I don't know what to say, this couldn't sound more backwards, so I don't say something out of line, I think it best you and I don't talk about this subject anymore, because it is clear you do not read the Bible.

Trying to follow the 10 commandments in a fleshly way is rejecting Jesus and what He has done for us.
Do you realize how rediculous this sounds, this makes absolutely no sense. good-bye
 

Elizabeth619

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It is my understanding that while some Jews did not "like" Jesus he had many followers so not ALL Jews "killed" Jesus.

From what I have gathered it wasn't really the Jews that killed him, but the one that Jesus ticked off. Political and religous leaders and so on.

“Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the High Priest, who was called Caiphas, and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him" (Matthew 26:4).

I mean. This guy from Nazareth who wasn't from a wealthy background who pops up with these followers, and then performs actual miracles was obviously a threat to other religous leaders.

He was a simple man. Yet this simple man wasn't afraid to stand up and tell other leaders of their wrongdoing. He was a threat. Some of the Jews hated him, yes....but had he not had many followers who were also Jews then the religous and political leaders of that time would not have seen him as a threat. So they eliminated the threat. Killed him.
 
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It is my understanding that while some Jews did not "like" Jesus he had many followers so not ALL Jews "killed" Jesus.

From what I have gathered it wasn't really the Jews that killed him, but the one that Jesus ticked off. Political and religous leaders and so on.

“Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the High Priest, who was called Caiphas, and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him" (Matthew 26:4).

I mean. This guy from Nazareth who wasn't from a wealthy background who pops up with these followers, and then performs actual miracles was obviously a threat to other religous leaders.

He was a simple man. Yet this simple man wasn't afraid to stand up and tell other leaders of their wrongdoing. He was a threat. Some of the Jews hated him, yes....but had he not had many followers who were also Jews then the religous and political leaders of that time would not have seen him as a threat. So they eliminated the threat. Killed him.
Very well put, thank you for putting the effort of making it correct. shalom
 

Grandpa

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I don't know what to say, this couldn't sound more backwards, so I don't say something out of line, I think it best you and I don't talk about this subject anymore, because it is clear you do not read the Bible.

The jews who rejected Jesus followed the 10 commandments. Trying to follow the 10 commandments in a fleshly way is rejecting Jesus and what He has done for us. A follower of Jesus does not break any commandments but not because they can keep the law in their flesh. A follower of Jesus doesn't break commandments because they are following a higher law, the law of the Spirit, Love. Against the fruit of the spirit there is no law. I wonder if this requires a revelation because some seem blind to this Fact.



Do you realize how rediculous this sounds, this makes absolutely no sense. good-bye
I read the Whole bible. I'm not stuck in Deuteronomy like some. You know there is a New Testament?

I don't mean to be offensive but the reason it doesn't make sense to you is because you are a blind leader of the blind. The New Testament shines a light on the whole bible. If you don't understand the Spirit and what He does for us you are stuck putting people under the Yoke of the Law. I pray for revelation and knowledge of Jesus Christ for you and everyone who reads this.

God Bless You
 
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ok grandpa, I'm going to try just one more time.

The jews who rejected Jesus followed the 10 commandments.
Here's your first error, the jews who rejected Yeshua, were followers of the Talmud, they did not keep Torah correctly.

Trying to follow the 10 commandments in a fleshly way is rejecting Jesus and what He has done for us.
1)It is impossible to follow the Ten Commandments correctly in a fleshly way, and to say that following them is rejecting Yeshua, I'm sorry but is extremely ignorant and uneducated to say. There is no way you have read to whole Bible and come to this conclusion. Even the church believes for the most part that christians are to keep the Ten Commandments. I honestly don't mean to sound rude, but if you want to pray for revelation, pray for it for yourself, because you desperately need it. Good Luck
 

Grandpa

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ok grandpa, I'm going to try just one more time.

Here's your first error, the jews who rejected Yeshua, were followers of the Talmud, they did not keep Torah correctly.

1)It is impossible to follow the Ten Commandments correctly in a fleshly way, and to say that following them is rejecting Yeshua, I'm sorry but is extremely ignorant and uneducated to say. There is no way you have read to whole Bible and come to this conclusion. Even the church believes for the most part that christians are to keep the Ten Commandments. I honestly don't mean to sound rude, but if you want to pray for revelation, pray for it for yourself, because you desperately need it. Good Luck
And I will try one more time with you. The reason the law was given to the children of Israel is because they rejected grace. They complained about manna and about quail. They said to Moses Tell God we will do whatever He commands. They were saying We don't want Grace, We want Law. So God gave it to them. When Moses came down from Sinai with the 10 commandments (the second time) 3000 people died. The Law kills. On Pentecost 3000 people recieved the Holy Spirit. 3000 recieved Life. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. We can recieve this Holy Spirit through salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. Jesus is grace. Will you recieve this grace?

You say there is no way I can see it this way having read the bible. And Yet I do. Jesus Saved me. The law showed me that I needed Jesus. Was the Law good? Yes. It brought me to Jesus. But don't stop at the Law. Don't bring it down to a human level, where it can bestow righteousness onto flesh. Only Jesus can bestow righteousness. Thank You Jesus!

God Bless You
 
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yaright

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Zone it doesn't say heirs according to the promise by faith, it says heirs according to The Promise. period. you can't add words to it. It is talking about the Promise to Abraham that is given to us and you know.
I think it might be just a bit narrow not to speak of the condition of a people who are recipients of the Promise which has visited every generation since Abraham. If I remember correctly, those who believe, even according to their faith, were and are called the sons of Abraham; Because of Abraham's faith. The Holy Spirit teaches us many different gifts. It seems this aught to be considered in a manner that someone examines a precious stone with many facets;