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All I know is that as a child of God, I am not appointed to wrath. I just assumed that since God is angered at the wickedness of the wicked that He is not angered with those righteous in Christ. Can you imagine receiving the same punishment as a criminal just because you were an innocent (justified) by-stander? 
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All I know is that as a child of God, I am not appointed to wrath. I just assumed that since God is angered at the wickedness of the wicked that He is not angered with those righteous in Christ. Can you imagine receiving the same punishment as a criminal just because you were an innocent (justified) by-stander?
The ten horns and the ten toes both represent the ten lost tribes that went on to settle northwestern Europe, what used to be called free Europe. "British" is a Hebrew word that means "covenant people" The 3 horns that are plucked up will probably be the UK-Britain, Scotland, and Ireland, Queen Elizabeth is sitting on the throne of David which the Messiah will inherit.
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The bible says we wont get Gods wrath. And thats final. Now what does the rapture got to do with that?
It is the same as the second coming, the return of Christ, the second advent.
If you mean the church is taken out of the world to be saved from the devils or mans wrath
explain the early church...human candles, fed to lions, decapitated etc. For that matter explain
the hundreds of millions of christian martyrs throughout the church age.
It is the same as the second coming, the return of Christ, the second advent.
If you mean the church is taken out of the world to be saved from the devils or mans wrath
explain the early church...human candles, fed to lions, decapitated etc. For that matter explain
the hundreds of millions of christian martyrs throughout the church age.
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Yes it is, I'm am glad to say. Written all over the Bible. In fact, the word you are looking for in Latin is rapturo, which is what the Vulgate (the first translation from Greek and Hebrew), uses to describe it. 'Rapturo' means 'catching up' or 'a snatching up'. Look at Corinthians, Thessalonians, even Revelations leaves the Church out till the very end. Please, understand that anything against Christ coming to take us out of the path of God's wrath is wrong and false.
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lol, oh, that's because I am excited and have the Blessed Hope that the Apostles preached in the New Testament. I love reading the books because they are reminders to me of what awaits me when that trumpet sounds, and the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who are left will meet Him in the air. And, thus, we will be with Him always. FYI that is straight from the NT.
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Why would God tell us we were not going to receive His wrath knowing we would not be here?
How would that be a comfort to us? And why would the endtime persecution being worst matter?
Would they kill us more times than they have been? like do they get to kill us 3 times? Not seeing your
logic, unless you think Gods aim is off.
How would that be a comfort to us? And why would the endtime persecution being worst matter?
Would they kill us more times than they have been? like do they get to kill us 3 times? Not seeing your
logic, unless you think Gods aim is off.
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Yes 1 Corinthians 15 is also a reference to the Rapture. And, yes I agree that anyone who teaches anything contrary to the imminent return of Christ (I.E. the Rapture) is a false teacher and an apostasy that has greatly deceived the brothers and sisters of Christ. Read Matthew 24, the Olivet Discourse. In it, Jesus makes several references to the Rapture, among other things. My question to you is: why bring up all of these things that helps, rather than hinders, me in presenting the true Blessed Hope?
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God is saying we will not receive His Wrath because WE WILL NOT BE HERE, that's obvious. The persecution will be more widespread. Think about a world wide purging of all of God's people. Not to mention all of the judgements that will be called down on the wicked. And, before you ask, I am referring to the converts to Christianity after the Rapture, because there will be converts, Revelations is quite clear about that.
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IF you read 1 cor 15 which i doubt you did Jesus return is one event ie the rapture and the second coming are the
same event.
IF you read 2 thess 2 the church is there long after the man of sin is revealed.
Nothing wrong with matt 24 if you dont read into it. But its mostly talking about a past event.
Lastly what is your blessed Hope? to go to heaven in clean slacks? with your hair slicked back?
same event.
IF you read 2 thess 2 the church is there long after the man of sin is revealed.
Nothing wrong with matt 24 if you dont read into it. But its mostly talking about a past event.
Lastly what is your blessed Hope? to go to heaven in clean slacks? with your hair slicked back?
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show me that, i know where it is that says we will not receive His wrath, now go find it and show me
that it says "because we wont be here" and dont bring me a paperback.
Also in 2 thess 2 it says that those who would not receive the love of the truth God would give a delusion.
So if your not a Christian and deluded who can be saved and this is after he man of sin is revealed right?
Where ot how will there be converts the ones under a delusion are damned.
that it says "because we wont be here" and dont bring me a paperback.
Also in 2 thess 2 it says that those who would not receive the love of the truth God would give a delusion.
So if your not a Christian and deluded who can be saved and this is after he man of sin is revealed right?
Where ot how will there be converts the ones under a delusion are damned.
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Scripture proves that what you are saying is in error. In the below verses Jesus made it very clear that the wheat and tares will grow together until the harvest (which is the end of the world) when He declared the meaning of this parable unto His disciples.
Read the following verses for understanding brother.
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
What you’re saying is scripturally unsound and is based on the doctrine of man and not on what the Word of God says.
Now consider this verse in Isaiah
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
Scripture proves that what you are saying is in error. In the below verses Jesus made it very clear that the wheat and tares will grow together until the harvest (which is the end of the world) when He declared the meaning of this parable unto His disciples.
Read the following verses for understanding brother.
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
What you’re saying is scripturally unsound and is based on the doctrine of man and not on what the Word of God says.
Now consider this verse in Isaiah
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
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[h=3]Matthew 24:29-31[/h] “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
No, you have to realize that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two different events. In the Second Coming, Jesus sets foot on ground with His saints following Him (Zachariah 14:1-4). In the Rapture, WE go to Him and He never actually comes down (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). That is false about 2 Thess 2. The 'man of sin' will not be revealed until the falling away happens. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-10) Therefore, the he will not be revealed until 'He who restrains is removed' (the Holy Spirit). Since the Holy Spirit is imparted upon each and every believer upon his/her conversion, it is reasonable to say that if the Holy Spirit is no longer here, then Christians are no longer here. Additionally, in Matthew 24, only a few things have come to pass, including the destruction of the Second Temple, Herod's Temple by Rome in 70 AD(Matthew 24: 1-3), and the rebirth of Israel in 1948 (parable of the fig tree)(Matthew 24:32). In reference to the Blessed Hope, promised by the Apostle Paul, who also wrote the letters to the Churches in Corinthians and Thessalonians, is in reference to the Rapture and Glorious Appearing. (Titus 2:11-13) How would it be a blessed hope if we are punished twice for the same sins? In fact, why would Christ have had to die at all if we were in fact going to be punished anyway? The simple answer is He wouldn't have. We will be saved from the trials that will be poured out on unbelievers (Romans 1:18,32, Romans 2:12 & 2 Thess. 1:6-10). We will be saved from the Wrath of God and from the evil of the Antichrist, who has not yet come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). We WILL be present at the Bema (Judgement) seat of Christ and judged, not as sinners but for what we have done for Christ (Matthew 16:27, 1 Corinthians 4:5, Luke 14:12-14). Then will come the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Rev 19:9) I read and study and live what I research. I have read the entire Bible from cover to cover, except for the last few books of the Old Testament, which I am currently working on. I have heard sermons, arguments, and lectures on all sides of the end time arguments. I have searched for God's Will. The Spirit has led me to preach out against the apostasy currently running rampant in the Churches regarding the end times. We are closer than ever before to witnessing these events. Jesus Himself said that a generation would not pass who sees Israel become a nation again until He returns. We are in the season of our Lords return. Look up and see our redemption draw near. The Lord would not have put something in the Bible that would not aid the Church. The amillenialist and the Posttribulationist along with everything in between are 'doctrines of demons' (1 Timothy 4:1-Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils). Now, make sure YOU read the verse closely.
No, you have to realize that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two different events. In the Second Coming, Jesus sets foot on ground with His saints following Him (Zachariah 14:1-4). In the Rapture, WE go to Him and He never actually comes down (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). That is false about 2 Thess 2. The 'man of sin' will not be revealed until the falling away happens. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-10) Therefore, the he will not be revealed until 'He who restrains is removed' (the Holy Spirit). Since the Holy Spirit is imparted upon each and every believer upon his/her conversion, it is reasonable to say that if the Holy Spirit is no longer here, then Christians are no longer here. Additionally, in Matthew 24, only a few things have come to pass, including the destruction of the Second Temple, Herod's Temple by Rome in 70 AD(Matthew 24: 1-3), and the rebirth of Israel in 1948 (parable of the fig tree)(Matthew 24:32). In reference to the Blessed Hope, promised by the Apostle Paul, who also wrote the letters to the Churches in Corinthians and Thessalonians, is in reference to the Rapture and Glorious Appearing. (Titus 2:11-13) How would it be a blessed hope if we are punished twice for the same sins? In fact, why would Christ have had to die at all if we were in fact going to be punished anyway? The simple answer is He wouldn't have. We will be saved from the trials that will be poured out on unbelievers (Romans 1:18,32, Romans 2:12 & 2 Thess. 1:6-10). We will be saved from the Wrath of God and from the evil of the Antichrist, who has not yet come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). We WILL be present at the Bema (Judgement) seat of Christ and judged, not as sinners but for what we have done for Christ (Matthew 16:27, 1 Corinthians 4:5, Luke 14:12-14). Then will come the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Rev 19:9) I read and study and live what I research. I have read the entire Bible from cover to cover, except for the last few books of the Old Testament, which I am currently working on. I have heard sermons, arguments, and lectures on all sides of the end time arguments. I have searched for God's Will. The Spirit has led me to preach out against the apostasy currently running rampant in the Churches regarding the end times. We are closer than ever before to witnessing these events. Jesus Himself said that a generation would not pass who sees Israel become a nation again until He returns. We are in the season of our Lords return. Look up and see our redemption draw near. The Lord would not have put something in the Bible that would not aid the Church. The amillenialist and the Posttribulationist along with everything in between are 'doctrines of demons' (1 Timothy 4:1-Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils). Now, make sure YOU read the verse closely.