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that is because your thinking from the wrong mindset. He was writing of future events so a specific people was not in the idea it was holy spirit inspired so it was written for all people not just a specific group they didn't know at the time but that is what became part of the word of God. I mean think about it it is the word of God not just some letters written to people so your thinking of the letters written to a certain group but it is more than that it is the word of God so it is for all people to read and understand.
aside from that what evidence is there to assume it was written about and for just Christians? we cannot just imput our own understanding or beliefs if there is no evidence to assume it, now if you can provide where in the scriptures it says it was talking about Christians then I could agree with you but time and time again Israel has fallen from grace rejected God's commandments rejected Christ himself just as they do now and has always been the key point in bible prophecy so a falling away of any kind would come from a group of people who have fallen already
many would even argue that we as believers have already fallen away we already do not endure sound doctrine we already do not show the love of God to each other or others as we have been commanded to I mean some of the most broken people I have ever encountered were shocked I was a Christian because it was Christians who made them so broken. believe me whether jew gentile Christian or hebrew we have already fallen
aside from that what evidence is there to assume it was written about and for just Christians? we cannot just imput our own understanding or beliefs if there is no evidence to assume it, now if you can provide where in the scriptures it says it was talking about Christians then I could agree with you but time and time again Israel has fallen from grace rejected God's commandments rejected Christ himself just as they do now and has always been the key point in bible prophecy so a falling away of any kind would come from a group of people who have fallen already
many would even argue that we as believers have already fallen away we already do not endure sound doctrine we already do not show the love of God to each other or others as we have been commanded to I mean some of the most broken people I have ever encountered were shocked I was a Christian because it was Christians who made them so broken. believe me whether jew gentile Christian or hebrew we have already fallen
if it is so clear why can you not show it? all I am asking is where in the scripture does it mention that the falling away is about Christians? it doesn't does it? you have to try to make it say that and to do that you have be in the line of thinking that it was written to a certain people but that doesn't add up either because then it is not the word of God it is merely a letter written to and about a certain people no different than any other letter.
so if you can blindly cling to your belief about the falling away then who is to say this revival cannot be just as blindly believed and be true as well? for that matter if you say a falling away has to happen first well look around you it is already here and this is just a foreshadow of what is to come this is not about what I believe or want to believe and maybe to you the scriptures are clear but if so you should be able to prove it it sounds to me more like you are blindly clinging to your belief and I do not fault you for that but it is not a healthy way to study the word of God
so if you can blindly cling to your belief about the falling away then who is to say this revival cannot be just as blindly believed and be true as well? for that matter if you say a falling away has to happen first well look around you it is already here and this is just a foreshadow of what is to come this is not about what I believe or want to believe and maybe to you the scriptures are clear but if so you should be able to prove it it sounds to me more like you are blindly clinging to your belief and I do not fault you for that but it is not a healthy way to study the word of God
Yes it does: "But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Thessalonian 2:13-14
So whether they're Jews or Gentiles they're Christians. It's not special instructions just for Jews. Learn how to read the Bible correctly.
So whether they're Jews or Gentiles they're Christians. It's not special instructions just for Jews. Learn how to read the Bible correctly.
Yes he is writing to Christians but concerning the future event that has not happened yet there is a falling away that comes with the man of sin what is not specified is who is the falling away concerning in this future event not the writing to at the time it was written the actual future event
I do not think it is just Christians that it concerns it concerns Israel this falling away as they already have a false messiah in mind they do not accept Jesus as the messiah even today so this falling away that comes with the man of sin has to be of people who do not accept the truth they will not endure sound doctrine we are taught as Christians to have sound doctrine the truth the goispel of Christ Israel does not.
I do not think it is just Christians that it concerns it concerns Israel this falling away as they already have a false messiah in mind they do not accept Jesus as the messiah even today so this falling away that comes with the man of sin has to be of people who do not accept the truth they will not endure sound doctrine we are taught as Christians to have sound doctrine the truth the goispel of Christ Israel does not.
no that isn't what I mean I mean the falling away he was writing to them about a future event right? so yes he is writign to that church and they are Christians but remember he is prophesying here he is speaking of a future event one that has yet to happen
So the event itself concerning who the falling away is about is what I am talking about just because he is writing to Christians here doesn't mean the falling away event is about them that means who is he talking about in this future event if not the church he is writing to in this part where he begins talking about the falling away because they never saw it we haven't seen it yet so why write to them about it if they never get to see it?
Therefor it isn't about them and just because they were Christians doesn't mean the event itself is a falling away of Christians plus he mentions the man of sin son of perdition the many false Christs ect. and Israel already rejects Christ as their messiah so if anyone is going to fall for the man of sin it would be them so I think since it doesn't specify the who in the falling away and we know our God it is safe to assume this falling away could be Israel not the church
So the event itself concerning who the falling away is about is what I am talking about just because he is writing to Christians here doesn't mean the falling away event is about them that means who is he talking about in this future event if not the church he is writing to in this part where he begins talking about the falling away because they never saw it we haven't seen it yet so why write to them about it if they never get to see it?
Therefor it isn't about them and just because they were Christians doesn't mean the event itself is a falling away of Christians plus he mentions the man of sin son of perdition the many false Christs ect. and Israel already rejects Christ as their messiah so if anyone is going to fall for the man of sin it would be them so I think since it doesn't specify the who in the falling away and we know our God it is safe to assume this falling away could be Israel not the church
The falling away is from the truth as revealed by the Scriptures.
Israel has never believed the truth so they cannot fall away from it.
Only those who have been taught and believed the truth can fall away.
This is happening today as more and more Saints are being deceived by the multitude of false teachers in the religious world. Many are rejecting the truth and believing false teachings and following the false teachers by the millions.
Israel has never believed the truth so they cannot fall away from it.
Only those who have been taught and believed the truth can fall away.
This is happening today as more and more Saints are being deceived by the multitude of false teachers in the religious world. Many are rejecting the truth and believing false teachings and following the false teachers by the millions.
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Perhaps you think that “prophecy” = “Scripture” when nothing in Scripture says that, and it actually says things that contradict it.
If that’s the case (that you think such), the prophecies spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12 - 14… where are they recorded? Where are the prophecies spoken by Philip’s daughters? Where are Agabus’ prophecies prior to Acts 11, since he was already known as a prophet?
If that’s the case (that you think such), the prophecies spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12 - 14… where are they recorded? Where are the prophecies spoken by Philip’s daughters? Where are Agabus’ prophecies prior to Acts 11, since he was already known as a prophet?
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Since the text doesn't say specifically if it's Jews or Christians, it may mean the Jews; that's your position as I understand it. Let me ask then: Why do you think it's talking about Jews? Did you just pull that out of the air, or is there some good reason why you think that? Couldn't it be something else entirely, neither Jews nor Christians? Why do you think it's talking about the Jews? And if it is the Jews, what are they falling away from?
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Yes there is a reason it is because they already do not endure sound doctrine they reject Christ as their savior we as Christians stand on the gospel of Jesus Christ and in the chapter Paul talks about the man of sin being lead astray ect. I highly doubt we as believers in Christ would be lead astray by anyone claiming to be God the jews however are still waiting for their messiah and I could be wrong the falling away could not be the jews or Christians but since they already have fallen because they reject the truth I am wondering if the falling away concerns Israel and the falling away being that they reject the gospel entirely and are lead astray by the man of sin.