Testing gift of prophecy on christianchat.

[Cameron143]

Huh? They're following, do you keep calling for your kids once they come home? The context of hearing His voice is about coming to Him not about following. Following is the result of hearing His voice. If one is still having to hear His voice within the context Christ uses it, one must ask if they are following yet or have they gone astray?

Nope. But I do keep calling them day by day. Can you show from the verse any limitation. Does a parent stop talking to their kids once they get home?

 

[Blain]

I don't know anything about what this is, but the devil is a sneaky theif, I have suffered it long time.

Thjere are people to listen to and people to not if what people say invoke doubt fear or any other negative things then it is not the spirit of God they are speaking his voice will always enourage you strengthen you and help guide you

 

[Cameron143]

Well..

@Cameron143 said... - All sheep hear Jesus' voice and follow Him.

You mean to tell me that you think all the believers, who have wandered into apostasy, were hearing his voice and following Him when they entered into their false doctrines?

All believers had followed Him into salvation.
After salvation? Not automatically assumed.

All that can be true and they still hear His voice. What voice do they hear when they have gone astray that bids them return

 

[Cameron143]

So... You must think that all the believers who had wandered into apostasy (yet, remained saved) were still hearing his voice when they
entered into their pet false doctrines?

No. But whose voice did they hear calling them to return when they have gone astray?

 

[lrs68]

All the naysayers made him doubt he is under heavy spiritual attacks right now I am messaging him and yeah sadly the people going against him on this made him doubt

doubt is not the fruit of the spirit now if he was instructed and lead into the right direction then doubt would not be the result but he needs help and prayer

Amen!

I don't give any thought from people who have never had God manifest Himself in miraculous ways other than the day they were saved and believed. There's a reason why God manifests Himself to some and not to others. And as soon as those that God stops manifesting Himself to speak and give their opinions my ears stop listening.

 

[Blain]

Amen!

I don't give any thought from people who have never had God manifest Himself in miraculous ways other than the day they were saved and believed. There's a reason why God manifests Himself to some and not to others. And as soon as those that God stops manifesting Himself to speak and give their opinions my ears stop listening.

yeah if you are intuned with God then him manifesting should be a normal thing not abnormal it almost seems like a dry believer

 

[sawdust]

yes Jesus is the corner stone he is the real rock to stand on I don't see how that disproves anything though

We're talking about prophets, not about Jesus being the cornerstone. Prophets formed a foundation upon which you and I are built. You don't lay foundations all the way up the building. The Church is likened to a building, each of us has our part in that building. Apostles and prophets are foundational. You don't keep adding foundation upon foundation.

 

[Genez]

do you think that when the scriptures were completed that the gift of prophecy ceased?

Without realizing it?
You finally got it.

Wanting too much, to belong and be accepted by a group with a common inclination, is the stuff that all apostate organizations draw people in with.

The gift of prophesy ceased.

And, as predicted by Peter, Afterward, counterfeits arose.

Please note how Peter switches words, and refuses to say there will be any prophets among us.
For Peter knew what Paul taught about the gift of prophesy ceasing!
His congregation were also aware that there would be no more prophets!

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But there were also false prophets among the people, ​

even as there will be false teachers among you.​

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2 Pet 2:1a​

Peter and his people would not have been deceived if someone claimed to be a prophet, knowing full well
that Paul's teachings said that the gift of prophesy would cease!

So, if anyone wanted to deceive Peter's flock in the future? Someone would have to sneak in as a teacher, not a prophet!

But there were also false prophets among the people, ​

even as there will be false teachers among you.​

I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put ​

obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away ​

from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own emotions. ​

By smooth talk and flattery, they deceive the minds of unsuspecting people. Rom 16:17-18​

The answers to deception are always buried within the Word!

 

[sawdust]

Nope. But I do keep calling them day by day. Can you show from the verse any limitation. Does a parent stop talking to their kids once they get home?

Context. Jesus is likening hearing His voice when the Shepherd gathers his sheep. He is not talking about hearing His voice when you are following.

Don't try to force it out from it's context.

 

[Genez]

All that can be true and they still hear His voice. What voice do they hear when they have gone astray that bids them return

Some people here want to be helped.
You are no help....

 

[Blain]

We're talking about prophets, not about Jesus being the cornerstone. Prophets formed a foundation upon which you and I are built. You don't lay foundations all the way up the building. The Church is likened to a building, each of us has our part in that building. Apostles and prophets are foundational. You don't keep adding foundation upon foundation.

ok I see well that verse doesn't imply any of that though, can you show me a verse that specifically says there arte no more prophets or prophecies?

 

[Kroogz]

There's a reason why God manifests Himself to some and not to others.

Correct. Those Who diligently search the scriptures have a master class of the "manifest of God." Those who are emotional and rely on experience or "manifestations" have an emotional manifestation of God.

 

[lrs68]

yeah if you are intuned with God then him manifesting should be a normal thing not abnormal it almost seems like a dry believer

Amen and well said

 

[sawdust]

No. But whose voice did they hear calling them to return when they have gone astray?

Do you realise what you are saying? The logical implication is that the times you are hearing Jesus' voice is when you are out of line, not when you are following.

So if you are "hearing the voice of God", maybe you better check where you are?

 

[Brasspen]

They need help walking with Jesus Christ. They need to be near and see the gifts manifesting. The fake churches don't do that.

 

[lrs68]

Correct. Those Who diligently search the scriptures have a master class of the "manifest of God." Those who are emotional and rely on experience or "manifestations" have an emotional manifestation of God.

God uses the broken and compliant intuned to God.
God doesn't use the one who thinks God is finished working with humanity.

 

[sawdust]

Amen and well said

"My ways are not your ways says the Lord"

How would you know if you are intune?

 

[Blain]

Do you realise what you are saying? The logical implication is that the times you are hearing Jesus' voice is when you are out of line, not when you are following.

So if you are "hearing the voice of God", maybe you better check where you are?

your serious? do you really think that? you only think you should hear his voice when your out of line and you find that logical?

 

[lrs68]

"My ways are not your ways says the Lord"

How would you know if you are intune?

Because I see how God uses me and the results that happen are impossible for me to do.

 

[Brasspen]

God talks to me more than when I am in trouble.
Let me rephrase it. God not only talks to me when in trouble, but talks to me other times too. Lots of comfort, even when in trouble. And, I do hear angels too.