Testing gift of prophecy on christianchat.

[sawdust]

Where in the verse do you see such a limitation?

Huh? They're following, do you keep calling for your kids once they come home? The context of hearing His voice is about coming to Him not about following. Following is the result of hearing His voice. If one is still having to hear His voice within the context Christ uses it, one must ask if they are following yet or have they gone astray?

 

[Blain]

Why don't you find yourself a good teacher for once, and not walk around as a subjective, sensory mystic?
If you say that no excellent teachers really exist?
Then you are also saying that there is no God.
For He wants you to know the Word of God with accuracy and great depth.

God hides the good teachers.
Because?

They are hidden because one must be genuinely led by the Spirit to find them.
Those who only think they are being led, will find a spirit to put a sparkly ring in their nose to lead them astray.
To be finding teachers to confirm what their subjective desires drive them to want to believe.

Paul warned Timothy about what was to come in the future....

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For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​

number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."​

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2 Timothy 4:3​

Sensory mystic? really? I know how to hear his voice and so therefore I am a sensory mystic wow that is sad or just funny that you would think that. I have a teacher the best one there is Jesus himself

 

[lrs68]

Yes, I can look at it right now. I know this is false. This thing I got was false. So I know it didn't work this time.

Just wondering how you suddenly drew to this conclusion?

Is it because you believe that God no longer gives prophetic messages even though between the ages of 100 AD until now 2025 AD we literally have examples of people prophesying and it came true without it being a prophecy connected to the Bible?

Who are you paying attention to, God, or some misled vortex making random posts?

Did you or did you not hear from God?

 

[Blain]

I already showed you scripture that proves prophets are no longer appointed. How many foundations do you want to lay down in the Church? What can any prophet tell us that has not been said? John took us till the end of the age and even a glimpse into the eternal state. (no more death, sorrow or tears) Further, it is said that prophecy and words of knowledge will gradually be phased out unlike tongues which will cease abruptly. If those two gifts were to end at the return of Christ then they too should end abruptly like tongues but there are two different Greek words used to show the difference in their endings.

Ephesians 2:20
having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,

1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never ends. But if there are prophecies, they will be set aside; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be set aside.


People believing the written word is not what makes it prophecy so why do you keep making the argument as if people determine what is prophecy or who is a prophet? It is God who appoints prophets and tells them what to say. Jesus relied on and taught others to rely on what is written and he was a bona fide prophet, the one of whom Moses foretold. "It is written" occurs 17 times through the Gospels.

Luke 16:29
Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’


I have been giving you scripture all along as to how we are to learn and walk in faith and how the word cycles up in our thinking when dealing with life's situations. God does not drop pennies of wisdom from heaven onto blank slates. The Spirit takes the things of Christ (He is the Word) and brings them into our reality and because the word is so powerful (from which faith comes Rom.10:17), even the tiniest piece of faith, no bigger than a mustard seed, can move mountains.

Matthew 17:20
So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.


It seems to me, there is so much confusion today between God's promise to lead in the paths of righteousness and how that works out in an individuals life and what is a genuine prophet and how they functioned. The former is for God's glory, the latter for the instruction/building of the nation (OT) or Church (NT).

Psalm 23:3
He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake.

Eph.4:11-12
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,


All Christians ought to be prophetic as the witness of Christ is the spirit of prophecy but that does not make one a prophet. Anyone with enough understanding of the word ought to see where paths lead because we live in an age of completed scripture, having all God needs to say to us, prophetic trends are recognisable.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

I didn't speak of rationalizing, I spoke of being rational. One reasons with the word of God, not blindly hope the information you need will suddenly appear before your eyes.

Isaiah 1:18
“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool.

Isaiah 41:1
“Listen to me in silence, you coastlands! Let the nations find renewed strength! Let them approach and then speak; let us come together for debate.


We don't build our faith on miracles or spiritual gifts or callings but on the word of God.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered, “It is written, ‘Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

I never said that we are not to walk in knowledge of the scriptures but every verse you posted if you read the full chapter you will see they are talking about something else none of these verses prove that God does not give prophecy anymore nor that this one is false. Unless I missed some of them as I am legally blind so reading a wall of text is hard for me. can you give a shorter version?

 

[sawdust]

Doctrine is not what it is about and neither is experience it is about Jesus no matter the prophecy or doctrine if it doesn't lead one closer to Jesus then it is in vain

Which Jesus would that be?

2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus different from the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the one you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it well enough!

There is only one way to test the spirits.

 

[sawdust]

can you give a shorter version?

How many foundations do you want to lay down in the Church?

Ephesians 2:20
because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.

 

[sawdust]

I never said that we are not to walk in knowledge of the scriptures but every verse you posted if you read the full chapter you will see they are talking about something else none of these verses prove that God does not give prophecy anymore nor that this one is false. Unless I missed some of them as I am legally blind so reading a wall of text is hard for me. can you give a shorter version?

This might help with reading.

 

[Genez]

Where in the verse do you see such a limitation?

Well..

@Cameron143 said... - All sheep hear Jesus' voice and follow Him.

You mean to tell me that you think all the believers, who have wandered into apostasy, were hearing his voice and following Him when they entered into their false doctrines?

All believers had followed Him into salvation.
After salvation? Not automatically assumed.

 

[Blain]

How many foundations do you want to lay down in the Church?

Ephesians 2:20
because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.

yes Jesus is the corner stone he is the real rock to stand on I don't see how that disproves anything though

 

[Genez]

I never said that we are not to walk in knowledge of the scriptures but every verse you posted if you read the full chapter you will see they are talking about something else none of these verses prove that God does not give prophecy anymore nor that this one is false. Unless I missed some of them as I am legally blind so reading a wall of text is hard for me. can you give a shorter version?

Does the Bible now need to be added to?

Prophets were filling in for Scripture what had not yet been revealed in writing.
The Bible was not yet perfect (completed).

 

[Brasspen]

Just wondering how you suddenly drew to this conclusion?

No I am sorry, I was talking with a prophet here on christian chat. The one in this thread is true.
I have been talking with Blain, testing the gift.

 

[Brasspen]

But on that topic, we are not adding onto the bible here.

 

[Blain]

Just wondering how you suddenly drew to this conclusion?

Is it because you believe that God no longer gives prophetic messages even though between the ages of 100 AD until now 2025 AD we literally have examples of people prophesying and it came true without it being a prophecy connected to the Bible?

Who are you paying attention to, God, or some misled vortex making random posts?

Did you or did you not hear from God?

All the naysayers made him doubt he is under heavy spiritual attacks right now I am messaging him and yeah sadly the people going against him on this made him doubt

doubt is not the fruit of the spirit now if he was instructed and lead into the right direction then doubt would not be the result but he needs help and prayer

 

[Genez]

Where in the verse do you see such a limitation?

So... You must think that all the believers who had wandered into apostasy (yet, remained saved) were still hearing his voice when they
entered into their pet false doctrines?

 

[Brasspen]

There was another prophecy I got to go with it. 'Bountiful Harvest'

 

[Genez]

Sensory mystic? really? I know how to hear his voice and so therefore I am a sensory mystic wow that is sad or just funny that you would think that. I have a teacher the best one there is Jesus himself

He did not have to give you any pastor-teachers.
Only for the rest of the church he did...

Ephesians 4:10-12

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:


Oye...... ok. Be well.

 

[Brasspen]

So... You must think that all the believers who had wandered into apostasy (yet, remained saved) were still hearing his voice when they
entered into their pet false doctrines?

I don't know anything about what this is, but the devil is a sneaky theif, I have suffered it long time.

 

[Kroogz]

Doctrine is not what it is about and neither is experience it is about Jesus no matter the prophecy or doctrine if it doesn't lead one closer to Jesus then it is in vain

Proper doctrine is Jesus Christ. He is The word. He is all about proper doctrine.

Experience, folks with prophecy, folks with tongues.........ALWAYS need to line up with proper doctrine.

 

[Blain]

Does the Bible now need to be added to?

Prophets were filling in for Scripture what had not yet been revealed in writing.
The Bible was not yet perfect (completed).

do you think that when the scriptures were completed that the gift of prophecy ceased?

 

[Genez]

I don't know anything about what this is, but the devil is a sneaky theif, I have suffered it long time.

All those who are His will hear His voice and enter into salvation.

After salvation, we must seek till we find sound Bible doctrine to remain hearing His voice...