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Hi PlainWord,
Good job noticing that Babylon is not a physical city but a group of persons of spiritual similarity. The Bible talks about the fall of the congregations of the church age over and over again and it uses many different parable scenarios to show this same thing. Yes, Sodom and Egypt and Babylon are all picturing this, as you have noticed the similarities. For that matter, the fall of the walls of Jericho picture this. Walls represent salvation in the Bible and when Joshua and his Israelites (who represent Jesus and the true believers) march around Jericho (whose name means moon - a picture of the law, and the city of palms -a picture of the righteous) and the walls fall it means salvation is fallen there in that city (that group of spiritually similar persons). It is the same moment as Rev 18:4 (Fallen Babyon). Notice that the fall occurs during the figurative hour of tribulation (not a literal hour, but parable language for the time period). Notice this is the same as the emphasis on the number 7 in the fall of the walls of Jericho, also pointing to the time period of God's Sabbath, the tribulation period (Matthew 24:20-21). The fall is not a physical one but a spiritual one, meaning salvation is not there anymore. Rev 18 tells us that Jesus' voice will not be heard there any longer (because the Holy Spirit is removed from there). However, the people will have a religious claim that they are Christian (horns of a lamb) but will speak as a dragon (will be spiritually from Satan). It will be like the Pharisees Jesus encountered. Remember how Abraham pleaded with God that if there were just a few righteous (saved persons) left in Sodom, God should spare the whole place. But finally, God got Lot and his family of true believers out of there and spiritual judgement fell on Sodom (the physical fire and whatnot was providing a parable picture of the unsaved condition, not a physical thing really, that it points to for the congregations of the tribulation period).
An even better job rejecting PLAIN TRUTH on your part...Which tells me you and PlainWORD are blind and need to go back to school to learn how to read, pronounce words and use a dictionary!

CITY=(GREEK-->POLIS=CITY<----big enough to see?

BABYLON called a CITY in..

Revelation 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21

I guess John must have been stupid or blind or rejected the leadership of the SPIRIT when he was INSPIRED to use the GREEK word for CITY......MAYBE JESUS didn't know what he was talking about when he INSPIRED JOHN to use the Greek word for CITY...maybe you guys should pray to him and tell him that he was mistaken and John was mistaken and then teach them why they were wrong!
 
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Oh, I know this one! I'm just answering what I see in the recent activity, but it's like a quiz and very fun :)

(Rev 11:8)
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the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

(I know where Jesus was crucified!)

(Rev 18:21)

that great city Babylon be thrown down

The answer to the thread question ta daa!
 

Mem

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All good arguments and cannot be ruled out. It's a Good thing the Lord knows!
 
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Oh, I know this one! I'm just answering what I see in the recent activity, but it's like a quiz and very fun :)

(Rev 11:8)
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the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

(I know where Jesus was crucified!)

(Rev 18:21)

that great city Babylon be thrown down

The answer to the thread question ta daa!
No Ta Da there just blindness as it is obvious by the context that two different cities are being spoken of...SO God places it on the heart of the 10 horns to burn Jerusalem with fire.....fit the rest of the characteristics found in Revelation to Jerusalem....Ignorance at best!
 

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Two great cities with two different names and two different descriptions.

Why is one description being called the other?

Is it because they both have the adjective "great"?

Two men can both be considered "smart" but that does not make them the same person.

Babylon is called a mystery... Sodom and Egypt is not. Seeing as to how many understand the difference in them and the nature of what they are, the scriptures stand true when calling Babylon a mystery.

Only God can reveal this mystery and to those that ask, it is given.
 
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Two great cities with two different names and two different descriptions.

Why is one description being called the other?

Is it because they both have the adjective "great"?

Two men can both be considered "smart" but that does not make them the same person.

Babylon is called a mystery... Sodom and Egypt is not. Seeing as to how many understand the difference in them and the nature of what they are, the scriptures stand true when calling Babylon a mystery.

Only God can reveal this mystery and to those that ask, it is given.
Totally agree for sure......it is obvious that Babylon A.D. is a city and people refuse to acknowledge this as they like to spiritualize Revelation away into some neat little box....ONLY ONE CITY on the planet that fits all of the characteristics found in Revelation and when you add the NATION found in JEREMIAH 50-51 it becomes obvious and all to clear what nation and city are represented.....10.5 billion to one which nation and which city when the math is done, but people will continue to live in blindness until it is too late for sure.
 

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Who is the False Prophet?

Muhammad

Who is the False God?

Allah

What is the False Religion?

Islam
false prophet show up in the last 3.5 years or 7 years before His second coming.

Mohammad life 1400 years ago. So false prophet can't be mohammad.
 
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It is hard to dismiss Putin's royal lineage, born on Russian Christmas day, and that Vladimir means world leader while Putin means "the way" in Russian but "who're" in French. And arguably, the most power man on earth at this time.
Putin is nothing. But the last king of russia will be antichrist
 
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The false prophet of christian revelation is false Elias = DNA-clon of real Elias prophet.
And antichrist himself will DNA-clon of our Lord Jesus Christ

Both of them will be concieved through such unnatural way (as DNA clonning is)

So they are called beasts.

Mohhamad and Islam (fake religion) have nothing with the beast of revelation.
 

PlainWord

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No 1 Suspect but no apparent ruler
No ruler as of yet. Isis actually has a leader but he isn't well know except to people like us. Will Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi become the Man of Sin? Who knows? But he claims to be a descendant of Muhammad. He is certainly doing things that fit. We will have to wait and see...
 

PlainWord

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An even better job rejecting PLAIN TRUTH on your part...Which tells me you and PlainWORD are blind and need to go back to school to learn how to read, pronounce words and use a dictionary!

CITY=(GREEK-->POLIS=CITY<----big enough to see?

BABYLON called a CITY in..

Revelation 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21

I guess John must have been stupid or blind or rejected the leadership of the SPIRIT when he was INSPIRED to use the GREEK word for CITY......MAYBE JESUS didn't know what he was talking about when he INSPIRED JOHN to use the Greek word for CITY...maybe you guys should pray to him and tell him that he was mistaken and John was mistaken and then teach them why they were wrong!
If you try to understand Revelation by using literal meanings of words you will end up thinking Babylon is a town on Long Island;). Get out of the physical and into the spiritual world my friend!!!! Revelation is a spiritual book. John saw things in the spirit. We are told clearly:

Rev 17:18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.

The woman is that great city?? Which word is literal, woman or city?? How about NEITHER. We don't have to guess who the (bad) woman is because we are told this:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

So who or what is the Mother of Harlots? Do you think it is the top Madam in the world? Do you think Babylon is a big Cat House some place? What is a spiritual Harlot?

Babylon is a city, right? Babylon is a woman, right? Babylon is a harlot, right? Babylon is a mystery, right? Calling Babylon a mystery is a sign post to tell us Babylon, woman, harlot and city are all SPIRITUAL terms. In this case, Babylon is a FALSE RELIGION. Do we have any other place in the Bible where the literal words "Harlot" and "city" are used as something else?

Isaiah 1:21 NKJV

How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers.

Read Jeremiah 3:1-9 if you want to see how Harlot and Harlotry are used.

But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me," says the Lord. And you have polluted the land With your harlotries and your wickedness.You have had a harlot's forehead; You refuse to be ashamed. "Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot.

A beast is a Kingdom, right?

Daniel 7:23 "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.

So again, Babylon is the Mother of all Harlots. What religion is the Mother of all Harlots?? What kingdom or kingdoms follow a False Religion that has a False God and a False Prophet? What religion preaches the opposite of Christianity? Are we not told to love our enemies? Radical Islam is teaching kill your enemies.

There are two WOMEN in Revelation. They are in contrast with each other. The first is Israel, she gave birth to Christ and from this woman came Christianity and the Church.

Rev 12:1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

Later John sees the Scarlet Woman riding a beast and he is amazed because this WOMAN is very different from the first. In other words, John now sees Radical Islam riding a group of radicalized terrorist nations set on destroying the first woman.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit... And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

Both WOMEN, good and bad, are traced all the way back to Abraham. Both would have 12 tribes. From Isaac came Israel. From Ishmael came the Arab world and eventually Islam and eventually the Radical Islam we have today.

Genesis 17:20 NKJV

And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

Now Ishmael's mother Hagar was an Egyptian. Isn't that interesting?? Where are the two witnesses killed? (spiritually Sodom and Egypt)
Genesis 25:12 NKJV

Now this is the genealogy of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maidservant, bore to Abraham.

Satan has been trying to copy and out do God from Day 1. This is very personal to God. From the beginning Satan corrupted God's creation and caused Adam and Eve to fall. God's creation was so corrupted that God sent the Great Flood to start over. Immediately after that Ham slept with Noah's wife and born Canaan from where we get the Caananites. Satan has been going after Israel for centuries. Then Satan tries to kill Jesus by murdering all 2 year old boys then finally he gets Him on the cross, but that back fires. Now Satan is attacking the church. He invented Islam in the 6th century to compete with Chrisitanity. Next Satan will send his False Messiah before the real Messiah comes in an effort to deceive us into worshiping him. Man, do you see how far back this goes and how personal this is between God and Satan? We are all just bit players in all this.

So, do you still think that Mystery Babylon is a sleepy town on Long Island?
 
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If you try to understand Revelation by using literal meanings of words you will end up thinking Babylon is a town on Long Island;). Get out of the physical and into the spiritual world my friend!!!! Revelation is a spiritual book. John saw things in the spirit. We are told clearly:

Rev 17:18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.

The woman is that great city?? Which word is literal, woman or city?? How about NEITHER. We don't have to guess who the (bad) woman is because we are told this:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

So who or what is the Mother of Harlots? Do you think it is the top Madam in the world? Do you think Babylon is a big Cat House some place? What is a spiritual Harlot?

Babylon is a city, right? Babylon is a woman, right? Babylon is a harlot, right? Babylon is a mystery, right? Calling Babylon a mystery is a sign post to tell us Babylon, woman, harlot and city are all SPIRITUAL terms. In this case, Babylon is a FALSE RELIGION. Do we have any other place in the Bible where the literal words "Harlot" and "city" are used as something else?

Isaiah 1:21 NKJV

How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers.

Read Jeremiah 3:1-9 if you want to see how Harlot and Harlotry are used.

But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me," says the Lord. And you have polluted the land With your harlotries and your wickedness.You have had a harlot's forehead; You refuse to be ashamed. "Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot.

A beast is a Kingdom, right?

Daniel 7:23 "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.

So again, Babylon is the Mother of all Harlots. What religion is the Mother of all Harlots?? What kingdom or kingdoms follow a False Religion that has a False God and a False Prophet? What religion preaches the opposite of Christianity? Are we not told to love our enemies? Radical Islam is teaching kill your enemies.

There are two WOMEN in Revelation. They are in contrast with each other. The first is Israel, she gave birth to Christ and from this woman came Christianity and the Church.

Rev 12:1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

Later John sees the Scarlet Woman riding a beast and he is amazed because this WOMAN is very different from the first. In other words, John now sees Radical Islam riding a group of radicalized terrorist nations set on destroying the first woman.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit... And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

Both WOMEN, good and bad, are traced all the way back to Abraham. Both would have 12 tribes. From Isaac came Israel. From Ishmael came the Arab world and eventually Islam and eventually the Radical Islam we have today.

Genesis 17:20 NKJV

And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

Now Ishmael's mother Hagar was an Egyptian. Isn't that interesting?? Where are the two witnesses killed? (spiritually Sodom and Egypt)
Genesis 25:12 NKJV

Now this is the genealogy of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maidservant, bore to Abraham.

Satan has been trying to copy and out do God from Day 1. This is very personal to God. From the beginning Satan corrupted God's creation and caused Adam and Eve to fall. God's creation was so corrupted that God sent the Great Flood to start over. Immediately after that Ham slept with Noah's wife and born Canaan from where we get the Caananites. Satan has been going after Israel for centuries. Then Satan tries to kill Jesus by murdering all 2 year old boys then finally he gets Him on the cross, but that back fires. Now Satan is attacking the church. He invented Islam in the 6th century to compete with Chrisitanity. Next Satan will send his False Messiah before the real Messiah comes in an effort to deceive us into worshiping him. Man, do you see how far back this goes and how personal this is between God and Satan? We are all just bit players in all this.

So, do you still think that Mystery Babylon is a sleepy town on Long Island?
Your still missing the bigger picture and limiting yourself by spiritualizing away actuality.....Go study Jeremiah 50-51 concerning the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS and how SHE (THE NATION) is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS and understand that HER CHIEF CITY is IDENTIFIED as a WOMAN, LADY, SHE!
 

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Oh, I know this one! I'm just answering what I see in the recent activity, but it's like a quiz and very fun :)

(Rev 11:8)
...
the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

(I know where Jesus was crucified!)

(Rev 18:21)

that great city Babylon be thrown down

The answer to the thread question ta daa!
Babylon is NOT Jerusalem. Jesus was physically crucified in Jerusalem but that's not what the text says. Read it again please:

...the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt...

Spiritually Sodom and Egypt.
 

PlainWord

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Your still missing the bigger picture and limiting yourself by spiritualizing away actuality.....Go study Jeremiah 50-51 concerning the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS and how SHE (THE NATION) is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS and understand that HER CHIEF CITY is IDENTIFIED as a WOMAN, LADY, SHE!
Okay, my friend, you go ahead and keep thinking Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots is Babylon, NY. ;) That place didn't even exist 300 years ago so I'm not sure how the blood of the prophets and slain of the earth got there. But according to you they did so let's leave it at that.
 

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Mohhamad and Islam (fake religion) have nothing with the beast of revelation.
Oh really??? This is Islam.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold a pale (Chloros = Green = Color of Islam) horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And this is the region of Islam:

[h=1]Revelation 13 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 
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Okay, my friend, you go ahead and keep thinking Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots is Babylon, NY. ;) That place didn't even exist 300 years ago so I'm not sure how the blood of the prophets and slain of the earth got there. But according to you they did so let's leave it at that.
Were the Pharisees of Jesus' day actually guilty of killing and slaying the prophets all the way back to Abel?

Here is how what I am saying can be correct.....


The mystery religion that was started by Nimrod has been woven into the history of the kingdoms of significance while at the same time being represented by the CHIEF city of the kingdom or nation that was in it's day the medium by which Satan has worked his plan continually to bring about humanity under one man, (anti-Christ, beast) and is going to culminate at the end of the age.
 
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Granted, there can be a babylonian spiritual nature that a person chooses of by their own freewill to join themselves with, but if you read all of the Scriptural perimeters/descriptions, there's only one place that fits the Bill.
There's about 99 different descriptions from the O.T. to Revelation that speak of Babylon A.D. & only one city on earth meets all 99 descriptions of "that great City". The majority of the Scriptures about her are literal and a very few are figurative. Definitely 'a place', and what goes on at that place is clearly described even just in the Revelation alone.
I read those descriptions that someone was kind enough to find and give out and Manhattan/NYC apparently is the only great city on earth that met all 99 descriptions. But no worry - He doesn't make an end to her until He is just about to return, or is returning, after the pouring out of the 7th Vial of His wrath.
And "the beast" is in Manhattan as well, - the UN with another similar newer [possibly even more powerful] group that is only a stone's throw from it.

This is not a salvational belief - we're just talking, so I hope this doesn't get to be a hot topic.
Just felt like talking about a milder topic too, today :D
Thank you!
 

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Were the Pharisees of Jesus' day actually guilty of killing and slaying the prophets all the way back to Abel?

Here is how what I am saying can be correct.....


The mystery religion that was started by Nimrod has been woven into the history of the kingdoms of significance while at the same time being represented by the CHIEF city of the kingdom or nation that was in it's day the medium by which Satan has worked his plan continually to bring about humanity under one man, (anti-Christ, beast) and is going to culminate at the end of the age.
Now you are starting to make more sense. Exactly, the Pharisees where a type of spiritual Babylon. Babylon, the great city, is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt. It is in this "city" that the two witnesses (OT/Israel and NT/Church) will be "slain."

Sodom represents all forms of sexual sin and Egypt represents unbelief/atheism. The Pharisees were unbelievers who denied the deity of Christ thus Christ was killed in that spiritual city. Rome was a spiritual descendant of Sodom famous for her orgies and sexual deviancy.

Is there any doubt that two of the greatest attacks on the church today are homosexuality and atheism?

Exodus 5 [SUP]2 [/SUP]And Pharaoh said, Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go.
 
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Oh really??? This is Islam.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold a pale (Chloros = Green = Color of Islam) horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And this is the region of Islam:

Revelation 13 King James Version (KJV)

13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

that is only wrong individual interpritation.

Indeed the Revelations (13:13) tells quite strickly what kind of false prophet we should expect.
The false prophet is great wonder-maker who even be able to make fire come down from heaven.

Who out of real true prophet ever done such thing - Elias only.
Whom jews expect to bring Mossiah in Jerusalem - prophet Elies.

It is obvious that false prophet will be false Elias.

And the both beast (false Elias and Antichrist) will be in war with two witnesses (real Elias and Enoch).

Poossese Mohamed had died 1400 ago, and under any circumstances he could not be false prophet of the revelation.

Neither a pale horsemen has attitude to islam