That Hebrews 10v26 Thread

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oyster67

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LOL. These were already in the Church and saved. He is calling his church to repentance after conversion has happened. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?
2 Corinthians
7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
7:2 Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man.
7:3 I speak not [this] to condemn [you]: for I have said before, that ye are in our hearts to die and live with [you].
7:4 Great [is] my boldness of speech toward you, great [is] my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
7:5 For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without [were] fightings, within [were] fears.
7:6 Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;
7:7 And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.
7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though [it were] but for a season.
7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

It does seem like He is addressing the brethren about a repentence that was done recently (after their INITIAL salvation)
 

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2 Corinthians
7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
7:2 Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man.
7:3 I speak not [this] to condemn [you]: for I have said before, that ye are in our hearts to die and live with [you].
7:4 Great [is] my boldness of speech toward you, great [is] my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
7:5 For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without [were] fightings, within [were] fears.
7:6 Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;
7:7 And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.
7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though [it were] but for a season.
7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

It does seem like He is addressing the brethren about a repentence that was done recently (after their INITIAL salvation)

The divide here to me seems to be tied to the issue some believe after we are saved, and we have repented from unbelief, our salvation then depends on wether or not our walk is spotless. There are some who think of salvation as a revolving door where if you sin you're out and if you say sorry and stop you're back in.


The truth is as His children we make mistakes, but we seek His voice to lead us and pray for deliverance from the evil that tempts our flesh.

How much we shine and show our love for Him by His love in us shining through our walk, is how well we perform our duty.... this is separate from the gift of salvation which is being justified freely by the righteousness of Jesus Christ that is imputed to us without works.


We seem to disagree on how the word "repentance" is being used in different contexts as well.... not disagreeing that it is taking place...
 

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... the gift of salvation which is being justified freely by the righteousness of Jesus Christ that is imputed to us without works.
This statement is true the way it is. Free gift not because we did anything- which means justification is for all mankind, all sinners.
The statement becomes false when someone adds the idea that we have to think hard about Jesus to gain this salvation probably the reason you are avoiding to answer my simple question about salvation.
 

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Sounds double minded to me.....

God loves us because He is love and merciful.

Not because "we can work things out".....



I know God is my Father and our relationship is constant. All day every day. When I stumble when I'm looking for direction when I am thankful when I want to be useful or learn.


NOTHING can separate me, His child, from His love.

"I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."


I can not unknow my Father, and I am kept by His power.


You can keep asking silly questions or playing word games... but if you see yourself as being genuine I hope God shows you exactly what He wants you to see.


God will not lose one of His, no matter how much you want to believe it.
I can not unknow my Father, and I am kept by His power.

Exactly brother , we are KEPT by His power \:)/...
...xox...
 

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I can not unknow my Father, and I am kept by His power.

Exactly brother , we are KEPT by His power \:)/...
...xox...
Jer 23:39therefore I will surely forget you and will cast you out of My presence, both you and the city that I gave to you and your fathers.

The Father can forget you.
 

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Jer 23:39therefore I will surely forget you and will cast you out of My presence, both you and the city that I gave to you and your fathers.

The Father can forget you.
I am under grace not Law...
I cannot be unborn again , My Jesus has me in His fold , and no one can snatch me , I am Gods precious daughter , a daughter of the King most high \:)/ blessed , secure forever more , forever and ever and ever...
 

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The divide here to me seems to be tied to the issue some believe after we are saved, and we have repented from unbelief, our salvation then depends on wether or not our walk is spotless. There are some who think of salvation as a revolving door where if you sin you're out and if you say sorry and stop you're back in.


The truth is as His children we make mistakes, but we seek His voice to lead us and pray for deliverance from the evil that tempts our flesh.

How much we shine and show our love for Him by His love in us shining through our walk, is how well we perform our duty.... this is separate from the gift of salvation which is being justified freely by the righteousness of Jesus Christ that is imputed to us without works.


We seem to disagree on how the word "repentance" is being used in different contexts as well.... not disagreeing that it is taking place...
We do make the mistake of thinking there are just two boxes and we must throw everyone in one or the other. Someone referred to it as an "rigid and untenable file-folder mentality".
 

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I am under grace not Law...
I cannot be unborn again , My Jesus has me in His fold , and no one can snatch me , I am Gods precious daughter , a daughter of the King most high \:)/ blessed , secure forever more , forever and ever and ever...
Acts 17:27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’d As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’e 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination.
 

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Acts 17:27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’d As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’e 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination.
Can you explain what that has to do with what I posted please , and thank you...
 

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Can you explain what that has to do with what I posted please , and thank you...
That means that all men find their being from God because all were created by God and are therefore all are His offspring. No need to feel special while thinking others have fallen through the ranks and are now satan's offsprings.
 

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That means that all men find their being from God because all were created by God and are therefore all are His offspring. No need to feel special while thinking others have fallen through the ranks and are now satan's offsprings.
WOW , that thought never even entered my mind , how sick of you to say such a thing , and that came from your imagination , but no probs , Jesus said I must pray for those who come against me for speaking His truth , I was just expressing my Joy in the LORD , it is a fruit of The Holy Spirit , and you tried to tear that away from me...

Do you not know that that devil comes to steal , kill and destroy , well I just said to him " Not now satan , Jesus has me "\:)/...
 

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WOW , that thought never even entered my mind , how sick of you to say such a thing , and that came from your imagination , but no probs , Jesus said I must pray for those who come against me for speaking His truth , I was just expressing my Joy in the LORD , it is a fruit of The Holy Spirit , and you tried to tear that away from me...

Do you not know that that devil comes to steal , kill and destroy , well I just said to him " Not now satan , Jesus has me "\:)/...
Ok.
Now that God is the Father of all according to that passage, what really happens to those that are falling away, do they get unborn?
 

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That means that all men find their being from God because all were created by God and are therefore all are His offspring. No need to feel special while thinking others have fallen through the ranks and are now satan's offsprings.
Just like you, trying to call the joy and peace a child of God has on the promises of Jesus a desire to "feel special"....


Nope, she is grateful to her Savior... Not sure if you have heard but His name is Jesus and He offers salvation....
 

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Just like you, trying to call the joy and peace a child of God has on the promises of Jesus a desire to "feel special"....


Nope, she is grateful to her Savior... Not sure if you have heard but His name is Jesus and He offers salvation....
Yes i've heard about Him.
 

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Ok.
Now that God is the Father of all according to that passage, what really happens to those that are falling away, do they get unborn?
I learned alot reading Jude , mentions people who will never believe you when the truth is spoken ...It does not matter what Scripture we show you , because of your fear that you live under , that is your master , my Master is my Father , I was picked to glorify Him , not tear Him down like you do...

You clearly do not trust God and what sacrificing His Son means to us , no one can take the pebbles from your heart but God , be careful and watchful that your heart from them pebbles do not turn into stone...

Scoffers like to argue and tear down , standing on their own imaginations...
 

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Ok.
Now that God is the Father of all according to that passage, what really happens to those that are falling away, do they get unborn?
Nobody gets unborn once they are born again (They have been born twice at this point). What happens is that they die a second time upon the fulfilment of Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10.

Jude
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
 

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back again to noone being saved. you always end up in there lolz. its funny

it says "if we sin willfully" you say "Willfully living and continuing in sin". reason you put it is because you know that ok if hebrews 10:26 is taken verbatim it means no one is saved. everyone has sinned willfully against God after they got saved, so everyone has no sacrifice of Jesus anymore, so no one is saved. so you added continuing part there

good news: thats not what its saying
Ahh - well actually the verb (participle) for "sinning" is a "present" tense in the Greek. The present tense means ongoing, continued action.
 

Chester

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The OP has made up a doctrine that basically relies on one passage of the Bible. No good doctrine has only one main passage. There should be many references to a topic, plus you must also look at the passages which say the opposite like Romans 5:1, Romans 8 or Eph2:8-10.

Very poor hermeneutics or Bible interpretation to not have multiple passages to support a doctrine.
Properly interpreted no Scripture will say the opposite of another passage. Any one passage properly interpreted gives teaching (doctrine) that edifies and builds up the body of Christ.
 

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Ahh - well actually the verb (participle) for "sinning" is a "present" tense in the Greek. The present tense means ongoing, continued action.
Great insight. Yes. And the Amplified brings all of these nuances to the front:

Hebrews 10 (Amplified)
26 For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate],

-also notice the "We".
-Paul is included in the "We", and by that it means those in the church. He is not referring to outsiders. If Paul were to turn from his love of God, disobey God - he too would be at risk.
-That is why Paul says:
1 Corinthians 9 Amplified
27 But [like a boxer] I strictly discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached [the gospel] to others, I myself will not somehow be disqualified [as unfit for service].