That Hebrews 10v26 Thread

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This only proves that you don't understand what these verses are talking about. These verses are true to those who will stand victorious in the end.

For example, grace of God applies to all mankind:

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.

But not all men are saved, so what?
Ah I see, you have no interest in discussing scripture. Do you believe some men are immune to salvation in Christ?

Or do you believe Christ has died for not only your sins but the sins of the world. That whosoever believes in Him can be saved.


Anyways, can you show me this supposed proof you claim exists?
 
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Are you really dishonest? Or have you made a mistake?

Can you quote where she said those words?


3341. metanoia
Strong's Concordance​
metanoia: change of mind, repentance

Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance.

We are drawn to the truth of Christ and God reveals to the truth to us. We have faith in this truth (belief trust confidence loyalty/fidelity as an indwelling response to recieved information....) our mind has changed and God works in us to change our "inner man".


To go from unbelief to belief is repentance in of itself.

@EleventhHour Would you agree that repentance does indeed come with salvation and this person seems to not use the word correctly.
change of mind - repentance. I wonder if when a kid kicks you in the leg, them changing their mind and kicking you in the other leg is really what you are talking about?

When Nineveh repented it was more than changing their minds.
When the Jews repented in Jerusalem in Acts 2 it was more than changing their minds.
Repentance is often linked to this phrase
"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." 2 Tim 2:19

1 Peter 3:10-12
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

All the above is linked to the word repent, which obviously involves a change of mind, but also behaviour, and is related to us and God and those around us. Or are you saying something else?
 

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change of mind - repentance. I wonder if when a kid kicks you in the leg, them changing their mind and kicking you in the other leg is really what you are talking about?

When Nineveh repented it was more than changing their minds.
When the Jews repented in Jerusalem in Acts 2 it was more than changing their minds.
Repentance is often linked to this phrase
"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." 2 Tim 2:19

1 Peter 3:10-12
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

All the above is linked to the word repent, which obviously involves a change of mind, but also behaviour, and is related to us and God and those around us. Or are you saying something else?

Word games....

So tired of this dance.



If you stood before God on judgement day, right beside me....

Will the blood of Christ be what justifies us and protects us from the punishment we deserve, or will it be our actions.


If by grace then not of works, if by works then not of grace.


I will point to Jesus Christ as my only hope. You can point to your many "wonderful works" and say lord lord till you're blue in the face but unless you have been born again you will not enter the kingdom.

To be born again is Gods works in us, I call that more than a change of mind. I am a new creature.
 

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change of mind - repentance. I wonder if when a kid kicks you in the leg, them changing their mind and kicking you in the other leg is really what you are talking about?

When Nineveh repented it was more than changing their minds.
When the Jews repented in Jerusalem in Acts 2 it was more than changing their minds.
Repentance is often linked to this phrase
"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." 2 Tim 2:19
In Matthew 12:41, when God saw their works, that they turned from their wicked way, then God "relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them." In Jonah 3:4, we see that Jonah told the people of Ninevah that the city of Ninevah would be overthrown in 40 days if they do not repent of their wickedness (Jonah 1:2). The people of Ninevah repented "changed their minds" at the preaching of Jonah, believed God, and "turned from their evil ways." which is the "fruit of repentance" (Jonah 3:5,10; Matthew 3:8). Keeping with Strong's designation, the Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. To repent basically means a change of mind and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind.

Where obtaining salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side, what you change your mind about and faith in Christ is on the positive side, the new direction of this change of mind. *Repentance and faith are two sides of the same experience of receiving Christ. Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of repentance in obtaining salvation (faith in Christ), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there. Repentance, metanoia, focuses on changing one's mind about his previous concept of God (as in Acts 17:30) and disbelief in God or false beliefs (polytheism and idolatry) about God (see 1 Thessalonians 1:9). On the other hand, this change of mind, focuses on the new direction that change about God must ultimately take, namely, trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance (change of mind). Certain people confuse the "fruit of repentance" with the "essence of repentance" (and also do the same thing with faith) and end up teaching salvation by works.
 
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Word games....

So tired of this dance.



If you stood before God on judgement day, right beside me....

Will the blood of Christ be what justifies us and protects us from the punishment we deserve, or will it be our actions.


If by grace then not of works, if by works then not of grace.


I will point to Jesus Christ as my only hope. You can point to your many "wonderful works" and say lord lord till you're blue in the face but unless you have been born again you will not enter the kingdom.

To be born again is Gods works in us, I call that more than a change of mind. I am a new creature.
I am sorry, what I quoted was not word games but the word of God.
Yes you can create a structure of faith as you have done which ignores Gods word, but then you have nothing.
Jesus is Gods word. Ignore Gods word and you ignore Jesus.

I pray you might understand this simple principle, God bless you.

1 Peter 3:10-12
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

Jesus calls us to listen and learn for a reason. We need to because our hearts can become hard and we fall into unbelief.
 

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I am sorry, what I quoted was not word games but the word of God.
Yes you can create a structure of faith as you have done which ignores Gods word, but then you have nothing.
Jesus is Gods word. Ignore Gods word and you ignore Jesus.

I pray you might understand this simple principle, God bless you.

1 Peter 3:10-12
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

Jesus calls us to listen and learn for a reason. We need to because our hearts can become hard and we fall into unbelief.

I am righteous. Before God I will be seen as righteous as Jesus Christ having not my own righteousness but the righteousness of Christ by faith.

Nothing you have said here has any point that I see....🤔


You also side stepped my question....


You believe you will be justified on judgement day because of what you have done or by grace through faith in Christ?
 

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I pray you might understand this simple principle, God bless you.
(also I have been delivered from what you seem to currently believe by God Himself and now have grown and have peace and assurance in His promises.... all of them... I hope you grow to learn what these promises are)
 
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I am righteous. Before God I will be seen as righteous as Jesus Christ having not my own righteousness but the righteousness of Christ by faith.

Nothing you have said here has any point that I see....🤔


You also side stepped my question....


You believe you will be justified on judgement day because of what you have done or by grace through faith in Christ?
You have changed from defining the word repentance, which I was broadening from changing your mind to the biblical reference to people repenting of sin, stopping wickedness and doing good.

So on judgement day, I am not there to justify myself at all.
If I am written in the Lambs book of life, I do not get thrown in the lake of fire.

Another hint of cleansing in this regard is the group saved out of the persecution

Rev 7:15
And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.

We are washed and cleansed by the blood of the Lamb, and so walk in His ways bearing His Holy Spirit and His Holiness in our lives.
John the Baptist preached to walk the straight path, repent and be baptised. Jesus baptised us with the Holy Spirit and made us His Holy temples.

If one thinks on the day of judgement is a day of having to prove something, all is lost. God bless you.
 

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You have changed from defining the word repentance, which I was broadening from changing your mind to the biblical reference to people repenting of sin, stopping wickedness and doing good.

So on judgement day, I am not there to justify myself at all.
If I am written in the Lambs book of life, I do not get thrown in the lake of fire.

Another hint of cleansing in this regard is the group saved out of the persecution

Rev 7:15
And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.

We are washed and cleansed by the blood of the Lamb, and so walk in His ways bearing His Holy Spirit and His Holiness in our lives.
John the Baptist preached to walk the straight path, repent and be baptised. Jesus baptised us with the Holy Spirit and made us His Holy temples.

If one thinks on the day of judgement is a day of having to prove something, all is lost. God bless you.

Not true, change of mind and change of inner man. I stood by what I said in my first post in my reply to you.


You danced around the original question in your last post and in this reply opened with a false accusation. I did not changed anything and only progressed the conversation. (though thank you for admitting our actions can not and will not help justify us before God)


I agree that my walk has drastically changed as a result of God working in me. I do not claim that repentance is not a part of salvation. God drew me to the truth, I believed the truth I am a new creature.

If I were to sin today, in thought word or deed I would still be a born again son of God and saved regardless of what actions followed. The result of His works in me would be me seeing anything against His will as sin and wrong and something to be delivered from, followed by a desire for righteousness and to be useful out of love for Him who loved me first. (more results would also include any good that follows what He has worked in me)
 
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(also I have been delivered from what you seem to currently believe by God Himself and now have grown and have peace and assurance in His promises.... all of them... I hope you grow to learn what these promises are)
"I am righteous. Before God I will be seen as righteous as Jesus Christ having not my own righteousness but the righteousness of Christ by faith." - your quote

Praise the Lord. You are righteous. No. Wait. Jesus is righteous. But you are righteous because He is righteous.
Except so could every sinner in the world be, if you are not actually righteous or cleansed, only Jesus is.

Do you believe the priests entering the temple where actually made holy and cleansed or it was just Jesus and they could go in and out without any cleansing rituals etc. ?

And equally John the Baptist preaching repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sins was all irrelevant, because they were never cleansed or forgiven, it was all just wrong?

Did your revelation from God deny all this? If so it creates a problem between what is from God and what is not.
 
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Not true, change of mind and change of inner man. I stood by what I said in my first post in my reply to you.


You danced around the original question in your last post and in this reply opened with a false accusation. I did not changed anything and only progressed the conversation. (though thank you for admitting our actions can not and will not help justify us before God)


I agree that my walk has drastically changed as a result of God working in me. I do not claim that repentance is not a part of salvation. God drew me to the truth, I believed the truth I am a new creature.

If I were to sin today, in thought word or deed I would still be a born again son of God and saved regardless of what actions followed. The result of His works in me would be me seeing anything against His will as sin and wrong and something to be delivered from, followed by a desire for righteousness and to be useful out of love for Him who loved me first. (more results would also include any good that follows what He has worked in me)
Sinning does not separate us from God. It is the lack of a relationship with Him that we care about that separates us from God.
A temper tantrum of a child does not make them no longer their parents child.
A total rejection of the parent and refusal to find support, security, help, reassurance etc by the child certainly does.

The outworking of sin, its justification, its defence destroys the relationship we have.
How can God love us when we are such a mess and find things so hard?

Because He knows with Him we can work things out.
Sinning demonstrates our rebellion and lostness, and if left will kill us.

Eze 14:7-9
'When any Israelite or any alien living in Israel separates himself from me and sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet to inquire of me, I the LORD will answer him myself.
I will set my face against that man and make him an example and a byword. I will cut him off from my people. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel.'

God regards us as a whole and where we are going. Direction matters and is everything, how well we do and our issues are our walk.

Matt 13:49-50
This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous
and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

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Sinning does not separate us from God. It is the lack of a relationship with Him that we care about that separates us from God.
A temper tantrum of a child does not make them no longer their parents child.
A total rejection of the parent and refusal to find support, security, help, reassurance etc by the child certainly does.

The outworking of sin, its justification, its defence destroys the relationship we have.
How can God love us when we are such a mess and find things so hard?

Because He knows with Him we can work things out.
Sinning demonstrates our rebellion and lostness, and if left will kill us.

Eze 14:7-9
'When any Israelite or any alien living in Israel separates himself from me and sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet to inquire of me, I the LORD will answer him myself.
I will set my face against that man and make him an example and a byword. I will cut him off from my people. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel.'

God regards us as a whole and where we are going. Direction matters and is everything, how well we do and our issues are our walk.

Matt 13:49-50
This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous
and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Sounds double minded to me.....

God loves us because He is love and merciful.

Not because "we can work things out".....



I know God is my Father and our relationship is constant. All day every day. When I stumble when I'm looking for direction when I am thankful when I want to be useful or learn.


NOTHING can separate me, His child, from His love.

"I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."


I can not unknow my Father, and I am kept by His power.


You can keep asking silly questions or playing word games... but if you see yourself as being genuine I hope God shows you exactly what He wants you to see.


God will not lose one of His, no matter how much you want to believe it.
 
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Sounds double minded to me.....

God loves us because He is love and merciful.

Not because "we can work things out".....



I know God is my Father and our relationship is constant. All day every day. When I stumble when I'm looking for direction when I am thankful when I want to be useful or learn.


NOTHING can separate me, His child, from His love.

"I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."


I can not unknow my Father, and I am kept by His power.


You can keep asking silly questions or playing word games... but if you see yourself as being genuine I hope God shows you exactly what He wants you to see.


God will not lose one of His, no matter how much you want to believe it.
God loves us because He is love and merciful.
Not because "we can work things out".....



People will be thrown into the lake of fire because they have not worked things out.
Scripture is all about God proposing things to people and their freely chosen reaction.

And with the choice offered reward and curses are spoken for either outcome.
Maybe you are not listening to God. He never changes or His intentions.

Listen and follow Him or you will die.
It is really this simple. Adam got it wrong, I pray you will not.
 

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Further, Eleventh Hour is my friend.
Clearly where your bias is coming from. You are defending your friend. But your friend said I was being disingenuous, that what I wrote didn't represent her views. So I asked her a question on this thread just above. She said she will answer the simple Y/N if I first answered her question. Which I immediately did. Then she RAN. So I called her out on it again, and she could still not give me a Y or N answer to the question, but rather a "Saved is saved". So just to summarise for you then what this saved is saved means according to EH. It means that she is saved even though she can start an affair with a married man, continue in this sin wilfully, ignore the leading of the Holy Spirit. ANd if she dies, she will still go to heaven. That was the question to which she says she cannot lose her salvation - saved is saved. SO I wasn't being disingenuous when I described her beliefs. ITS ACTUALLY WHAT SHE BELIEVES. And now by association and in coming to her defence, you abide in this teaching as well. BY your own words in this very thread you state that she has GOOD SOLID DOCTRINE. So I ask you @Angela53510 , in this scenario above, is this person saved (the example I just gave)? If you say yes, then you and EH are in total violation of the scriptures. If you say no, then how could you say that EH has good solid doctrine. You cant have it both ways. She also believes that no matter what evil a person subsequently does, it will only be these works that will be burnt up, but the person saved. Another misinterpretation of the scriptures.

I read the thread from the start, ascertained that you had very faulty theology which you were flogging everyone with.
Your opinion.

Of course, I am going to defend Eleventh Hour. She has good solid doctrine, and a good knowledge of the Bible, and you were trashing her, saying she had never read the Bible.
I still don't believe she has read it cover to cover. You might have, but I doubt that she has. Nor has she contradicted this assertion.

As for your demands she answer YOUR questions, you never answered mine. How many times have you read the Bible from cover to cover? Many times

As to Eleventh Hour's doctrine, I have not seen any evidence of antinomianism. The usual complaint of Arminians who probably are much closer to Open Theology,* an out and out heresy. I would agree that we are to repent confess our sins, and obey God. But, I know the Bible is clear about losing our salvation.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/apostasy-101.189485/
Here is a whole thread upending this last statement of yours. The scriptures are true. Believe them. Your problem is that you don't believe these scriptures. You don't believe that Apostasia means what it means, so you create another meaning. You say you study in Greek. Then do it properly. There is no doubt as to this meaning. You don't need to re-engineer the meaning to fit your doctrine. God says these people fell away. And they did. Bible true. Your doctrine false.
You then need to account for the following 3 verses (Hebrews 10v10, 10v14 and 10v29). Are verses 10v10 and 10v14 believers? Y/N? Then how do you suddenly makes these in 10v29 NOT BELIEVERS? Please answer that. Where in this passage was the transition in meaning of sanctification?

We simply and absolutely cannot lose what God has done - taken us from darkness to light, from death to life.
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved" Eph. 2:1-6
We were all found in this very state. No issues. By grace you have been saved from that state. Because you believed in the message of the Cross and Him Crucified. Yes, he called you. Yes you believed. Yes, he gave you new life and the Spirit. But if you stop believing? Are you free to stop believing? If you stop believing are you still saved? The answer is no.
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Salvation:

1. God loves us (from before the foundation of the world)

" Eph. 1:1-6

You are mixing up Election into this. Only God knows the Elect. All we know is that we either believe or not. Only to those who overcome will he give right to eat from the tree of life. All the Elect WILL OVERCOME. All those not elect will fall by the wayside. But only God knows the Elect. We are told to Believe.

Here is a topic thread on Election for you: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/election-101.189329/



I didn't even know that was a sin, until I had been saved for 2 years. Then I read it in the sin list in Gal. 5:19-20:

You have a part to play. And that is Believe. Because all of this is accessed THROUGH faith. None of the promises are yours without faith. By Grace you have been saved THROUGH faith. The Gift is salvation by Grace. You access this through belief. Jesus says BELIEV IN ME. A commandment. An instruction. It is the part you bring. And that is why unbelief leads to Apostasy (continued unbelief)



"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-20

According to EleventhHour, living in none of these can cause a loss of salvation, yet it clearly says so in verse 21 above. And you think her doctrine is good and solid. If so, then your doctrine is on sinking sand. And I don't care how many times you have read the bible and in which languages. You are then deceived, and not able to see.



But, I never at any point in my spiritual journey went from life to death. The way Arminians ignore this passage and many other places, like Col. 2:13

Nor have I implied that you move in and out of life and death, saved and unsaved. If you read my posts I have never asserted this. You are saved. If you live in unbelief that can lead to Apostasy. If you live a live of continual willful sin then there is no more sacrifice for sins, as per this thread OP. My message has always been, and will always be a life led by the Spirit, and the putting to death the misdeeds of the body. If you do this you are walking in the light as He is in the light, and the blood of Jesus will cleanse you from all sin. But if you walk in the flesh, you will die.



"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," Col. 2:13



Also, these famous verses from the Roman Road, also reflect that salvation is when God takes us from death to life in him.

So a focus on Romans 6 will clarify for you. And too Romans 7 and 8. That is what I am preaching. Why do you reject the very message I bring about this. If I say "Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Certainly Not!" why do you kick against this.It is pure scripture. The corrolary: Can we continue in Sin now that we have grace? Please answer this Y/N?



"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23.

God will be the one to judge whether you lived your life in sin. You still have the choice to as a believer. And this very verse applies to all of us. If I am a believer I have a daily choice to live according to the Spirit or the Flesh. Verse 23 will be God's decision. Are you living by the Spirit (the gift in verse 23) or fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. You cant have both. You are to put the one to death. If you will not then you will fall into judgement.



So, how many times has God killed you since he first saved you? If you ever died, then I cannot believe you were ever made spiritually alive. God never says he will take us from spiritual life to death, not even your Hebrews 6 passage. Romans 6, you do it to yourself with your choices. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of verses with warnings. Why do you think these warnings exist to the church. Ask yourself that?

Salvation in Greek is soso. It means salvation or deliverance. We simply cannot be "un" saved, no matter how we fall. God does not kill his living children. He loves them, which is why they are his. There is no ordo salvos saying we:

The one who sins is not a Son but a Slave. And the slave does not abide in the house forever.



Live, then make a mistake or sin and die. God rebrings us to life then we fail for a short time, or long time, we die, and then God brings us back to life. Covered above



18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." Hebrew 10:15-18

A covenant has two parties to the agreement. If you forsake Him, then He will forsake you. Deut 31 it happened to Israel, and it can happen under the new covenant as well. You have a part to play.



So, as someone said earlier, the straw man you created is not based on the lives of real, alive, born from above, Christians.

But on the contrary, the world is littered with broken lives of thise who fell away. So whilst you say this in a utopian sense, the reality is very different for those who heeded not the warnings.



And if someone is sinning willfully, either they were never made alive by the power of

God, or they have not been taught properly!

Or they gave into continual temptation, which brought forth death.

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Are you really dishonest? Or have you made a mistake?

Can you quote where she said those words?


3341. metanoia
Strong's Concordance​
metanoia: change of mind, repentance

Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance.

We are drawn to the truth of Christ and God reveals to the truth to us. We have faith in this truth (belief trust confidence loyalty/fidelity as an indwelling response to recieved information....) our mind has changed and God works in us to change our "inner man".


To go from unbelief to belief is repentance in of itself.

@EleventhHour Would you agree that repentance does indeed come with salvation and this person seems to not use the word correctly.
Jesus tells the churches in Revelation to repent. Believe me, its still a requirement. It didn't happen once for all time at conversion. And yes, scroll back on this thread. She has admitted that you can live in sin (adulterous relationships) because you can never lose your salvation. Saved means saved.
 

garee

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Absolutely agree with what you stated above.

A change of mind is an essential and by necessity accompanies salvation.

Yes, repentance the better thing that accompanies salvation is a work of God working in us to both will and do his good pleasure. As in all things he must do the first work of turning us towards Him, the hearing of his faith, then after being turned we can repent and comfort our own selves.
 

Noose

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Ah I see, you have no interest in discussing scripture. Do you believe some men are immune to salvation in Christ?
NO

Or do you believe Christ has died for not only your sins but the sins of the world. That whosoever believes in Him can be saved.
Whosoever believes in Him SHALL be saved

Anyways, can you show me this supposed proof you claim exists?
It is already there within my posts- the three questions. If you can answer them you'll find out the proof by yourself.
 

OneOfHis

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1 .NO

2. Whosoever believes in Him SHALL be saved



3. It is already there within my posts- the three questions. If you can answer them you'll find out the proof by yourself.
1. Good, me neither. Kind of makes your first question a weird one.

2. Agreed...100% agreed. No word games.


3. I disagree. If you don't feel like sharing this "proof" that's fine with me.
 

Noose

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3. I disagree. If you don't feel like sharing this "proof" that's fine with me.
So what are you disagreeing with if the proof is not there?
Okay

I'll ask you a simple question and i need your honest answer.

Q. If a one year old child dies (God forbid), are they going to heaven (saved) or condemned to hell?