The 10 commandments

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Blackpowderduelist

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Is it ok to break the any of the ten commandments in the imagination as long as your do not actually, physically do them? Is it ok to entertain the idea of stealing, or lying to or about someone in your mind? Or think about having your neighbors stuff as long as you don't try to obtain it?
How about kill? Can we imagine and entertain the idea of murdering someone as long as we don't actually do it? How about adultery, what if we don't sleep with someone we aren't married to, but we imagine that we do? Say you are even actually sleeping with your spouse but in your imagination pretend or invision them as someone else? How about imagining an image of God and praying to that image as long as you don't carve it, is that ok? Or thinking the Lord's name in vanity as long as your don't say it? Or bowing down to idols, can we think about bowing down to an idol as long as we don't actually do it?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I should have titled it where to draw the line.
 
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i think i read that even the thought of adultery is considered the act.
 
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Live4Him

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Is it ok to break the any of the ten commandments in the imagination as long as your do not actually, physically do them? Is it ok to entertain the idea of stealing, or lying to or about someone in your mind? Or think about having your neighbors stuff as long as you don't try to obtain it?
How about kill? Can we imagine and entertain the idea of murdering someone as long as we don't actually do it? How about adultery, what if we don't sleep with someone we aren't married to, but we imagine that we do? Say you are even actually sleeping with your spouse but in your imagination pretend or invision them as someone else? How about imagining an image of God and praying to that image as long as you don't carve it, is that ok? Or thinking the Lord's name in vanity as long as your don't say it? Or bowing down to idols, can we think about bowing down to an idol as long as we don't actually do it?
II Corinthians chapter 10

[3] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[6] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
 
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Live4Him

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i think i read that even the thought of adultery is considered the act.
Matthew chapter 5

[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
 

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Is it ok to break the any of the ten commandments in the imagination as long as your do not actually, physically do them? Is it ok to entertain the idea of stealing, or lying to or about someone in your mind? Or think about having your neighbors stuff as long as you don't try to obtain it?
How about kill? Can we imagine and entertain the idea of murdering someone as long as we don't actually do it? How about adultery, what if we don't sleep with someone we aren't married to, but we imagine that we do? Say you are even actually sleeping with your spouse but in your imagination pretend or invision them as someone else? How about imagining an image of God and praying to that image as long as you don't carve it, is that ok? Or thinking the Lord's name in vanity as long as your don't say it? Or bowing down to idols, can we think about bowing down to an idol as long as we don't actually do it?
In the sermon on the mount Jesus basically taught that it isn't enough to merely display an outward showing of the appearance of holiness to avoid legal penalties. He taught that true holiness comes from within, from a born again spirit, with sincere love for God and our neighbors.
 

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Well i think sometimes unwanted thoughts will pop into your mind but you have to take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ 2Corrinthians 10:5

If some wrong thoughts comes into our minds, we should repent and not dwell on them continuously, because it may start affecting our behaviour.
 
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Matthew chapter 5

[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
thank you Live4Him :)
 
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Is it ok to break the any of the ten commandments in the imagination as long as your do not actually, physically do them? Is it ok to entertain the idea of stealing, or lying to or about someone in your mind? Or think about having your neighbors stuff as long as you don't try to obtain it?
How about kill? Can we imagine and entertain the idea of murdering someone as long as we don't actually do it? How about adultery, what if we don't sleep with someone we aren't married to, but we imagine that we do? Say you are even actually sleeping with your spouse but in your imagination pretend or invision them as someone else? How about imagining an image of God and praying to that image as long as you don't carve it, is that ok? Or thinking the Lord's name in vanity as long as your don't say it? Or bowing down to idols, can we think about bowing down to an idol as long as we don't actually do it?
Why would you want to?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Why would you want to?
Agreed, but apparently in modern christianity it is acceptable, to pray to an imagined image of God as long as you don't actually carve the image. So, what about the rest of the commandments?
 

pittsburghjoe

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And yet, you don't consider changing the day of the Sabbath to be an issue?
 

wattie

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It is the beauty of Christ's grace that with our thoughts regardless of action we still break the 10 commands yet He still abides with the believer.

How do we even follow His commands? By reliance on Him and not our own steam
 
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Agreed, but apparently in modern christianity it is acceptable, to pray to an imagined image of God as long as you don't actually carve the image. So, what about the rest of the commandments?
Jesus was fairly clear that the righteousness of the Pharisees consisted in following the external rules of the Law. He went further in that as a man thinks in his heart, so is he. Therefore hating a person, although not doing the act of murder, is the same as murder, because it is murder in the heart. The same with lust, and you know what Jesus said about that.

So, coveting a neighbor's possessions, in the Lord's view, was the same as the actual act of stealing them from the person. Being jealous of another's position, is the same as actually manipulating the system to force the other person out and take over the position oneself. A friend told me that a faithful chairperson of a pony club was forced out of her position at an Annual General Meeting by a person bringing all her friends into the meeting, and voting out the management committee and voting herself and her friends in, and then getting herself voted in as chairperson. That is the act of jealousy, but the jealously in her heart begin long before the actual act, and finally led to it.
 
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Is it ok to break the any of the ten commandments in the imagination as long as your do not actually, physically do them? Is it ok to entertain the idea of stealing, or lying to or about someone in your mind? Or think about having your neighbors stuff as long as you don't try to obtain it?
How about kill? Can we imagine and entertain the idea of murdering someone as long as we don't actually do it? How about adultery, what if we don't sleep with someone we aren't married to, but we imagine that we do? Say you are even actually sleeping with your spouse but in your imagination pretend or invision them as someone else? How about imagining an image of God and praying to that image as long as you don't carve it, is that ok? Or thinking the Lord's name in vanity as long as your don't say it? Or bowing down to idols, can we think about bowing down to an idol as long as we don't actually do it?
John 4:23-24
King James Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus-Yeshua teaches us if we even look at a woman in lust we have committed adultery. The law is impossible to always keep, ergo we are in dire need always of grace.
 

GiveThanks

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And yet, you don't consider changing the day of the Sabbath to be an issue?
Jesus is our sabbath. When we trust in Him for our salvation, we are resting in Him. This is the rest mentioned in Hebrews 4. Everyday is a sabbath, everyday we trust and rest in Jesus.
 

pittsburghjoe

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Jesus is our sabbath. When we trust in Him for our salvation, we are resting in Him. This is the rest mentioned in Hebrews 4. Everyday is a sabbath, everyday we trust and rest in Jesus.
Or you have been fooled by a papacy that didn't think you would notice them changing the day of the Sabbath.
 
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Live4Him

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Jesus is our sabbath. When we trust in Him for our salvation, we are resting in Him. This is the rest mentioned in Hebrews 4. Everyday is a sabbath, everyday we trust and rest in Jesus.
I'm sorry, but what you stated in relation to Hebrews chapter 4 simply is not true.

Hebrews chapter 4

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews chapter 4 is a FUTURE REST or a promised rest (vs. 1) that remains for us to enter into (vss. 6 & 9), and we are admonished to not only "labour therefore to enter into that rest" (vs. 11), but also to "FEAR, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of us should seem to come short of it" (vs. 1).

Whereas verse 8 says "Jesus" in the KJV, it is better translated as "Joshua" (their names are the same in the Greek).

In other words, Joshua didn't lead the Israelites into this "rest" when he took them into the promised land.

Again, it is a FUTURE REST that we're to be laboring to enter into.
 
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Live4Him

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Or you have been fooled by a papacy that didn't think you would notice them changing the day of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is a shadow or a foreshadowing of things to come:

Colossians chapter 2

[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

God worked for six days and rested on the seventh day (Gen. 2:2-3, Heb. 4:4).

Seeing how "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (II Pet. 3:8), man's time to labor on this earth is 6,000 years, and then he (the Christians) will rest for 1,000 years during the coming Millennial Reign of Christ.

By changing the Sabbath day from the seventh day to the first day, the pagan Roman Catholic church has totally corrupted the foreshadowing, even as they've corrupted so much else of God's word.
 

Blade

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Agreed, but apparently in modern christianity it is acceptable, to pray to an imagined image of God as long as you don't actually carve the image. So, what about the rest of the commandments?
Hi :) how in the world would anyone know this? One would have to ask each one and also know their heart. Christ came and died rose AMEN praise GOD glory to Jesus.

So let me ask why are we not keeping the 613 but we are keeping the ten? Is that even in the NT? Are not His ways written on our heart? Rom 13

I do not do any of those because its written in the word of God. Within me its wrong.. within me I don't want to do those things.

This is about the commandments not just ONE of them..