The 10 horns in the book of daniel

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Matthew 13

37 > He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man;

38 > The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 > The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 > As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 > The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 > And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 > Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Yes Jesus is King.
Yes Jesus has a kingdom.
It is His inheritance from His Father.
BUT He hasn't yet come to claim it yet.

If He is already ruling in His kingdom NOW (amillennialism)....then explain v41.
Amillennialism implies that Jesus can not control His kingdom where:
all things that offend, and them which do iniquity dwell even today.

This what they are saying without even realizing. They are denying the power of our Lord implying that these last 2010+ years, Jesus hasn't been able to control His kingdom where
all things that offend, and them which do iniquity dwell. Very sloppy reign i'd say by that interpretation.

NO, Amillennialism does not hold the answer. Just confusion.








why not reread verse 40 and answer it yourself
 
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Daniels vision was from Daniels time through to the very end of time, when all earthly reign will be destroyed. Christ will return and dash it in pieces. The spirit of anti christ is only now beginning to fully rally this world, in its global kingdom, to its fully manifest, fully grown, manifestation. And in all its glory and pompous idolatry and rebellion Christ will return and destroy the whole thing and redeem His saints and culminate all things in Himself and submit Himself to the Father. We are in for the most exciting, but also the most terrifying and amazing times on this planet, when we will truly need to be under the shaddow of His wing.
 
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Before Babylon when Daniel had the dream ,there where two other kingdoms.

John lived in the days of the Roman kingdom when he wrote the book of Revelation. So when he said five are fallen, and one is,( he lived in the) “one is” and the other is not yet come in Johns days.

Rv17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space
This is an excellent illustration Peter. I am printing it out and keeping it.

I am blown away, You must be really seeking and God is revealing deep things to you. Praise the Lord.
 
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Matthew 13

37 > He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man;

38 > The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 > The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 > As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 > The Son of Man shall send forth His angels,and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 > And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 > Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Yes Jesus is King.
Yes Jesus has a kingdom.
It is His inheritance from His Father.
BUT He hasn't yet come to claim it yet.

If He is already ruling in His kingdom NOW (amillennialism)....then explain v41.
Amillennialism implies that Jesus can not control His kingdom where:
all things that offend, and them which do iniquity dwell even today.

This what they are saying without even realizing. They are denying the power of our Lord implying that these last 2010+ years, Jesus hasn't been able to control His kingdom where
all things that offend, and them which do iniquity dwell. Very sloppy reign i'd say by that interpretation.

NO, Amillennialism does not hold the answer. Just confusion.

Amen brother. Good observation.
 
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why not reread verse 40 and answer it yourself
You are forgetting something....the 2nd judgement is after the 1000 years. All the dead will be raised and judged. The goats to the left and the sheep to the right.

Christ will kill alot of wicked men at his coming, but they dont get away with it then..... after 1000 years they are going to be raised and judged according to all their works. They will face Christ with terror and shaking and he will judge them accordingly. He will also judge all the rest of dead from the beginning of time. He will have mercy on whomever he has mercy and this will include all those who never knew him.

But Christ does also separate the goats from the sheep at his coming. The sheep are the saints, and the scriptures tell us that not all flesh will be killed....because Christ has a job to finish for his Father. To expose evil and destroy it.

It's not plan A or B
It's the plan right from the beginning. God's plan. It's never changed.
 
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[/QUOTE]The sheep are those who followed Christ. They will be resurrected and will meet Christ in the air. They will recieve their new spiritual bodies. The goats are the ones that did not follow Christ. They will not be resurrected or picked up to unite with Christ. They will be killed during the 7 trumpets, and the wars but there will be survivors, and these ones with the mark who have gone through major punishment will see their error, and witness that Christ is Lord and he has judged the world...these will have a chance to repent...and their children will not be born with the mark, and their childrens children also. All these will live, marry and die, and they will be judged in the 2nd judgement.


The second Judgement after the thousand years is the final sifting. He will separate the goats from the sheep again. Only this time, the sheep are those that did not know Christ for whatever reason, but they may of loved God....... and Christ can see into their heart that it is good and worth rewarding and has mercy on them.

Christ is fair and merciful....It is not always black and white. Christ has excellent judgement.


They may have this very important attribute.

Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.


Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.


1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
 
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Before Babylon when Daniel had the dream ,there where two other kingdoms.

John lived in the days of the Roman kingdom when he wrote the book of Revelation. So when he said five are fallen, and one is,( he lived in the) “one is” and the other is not yet come in Johns days.

Rv17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space


Yep.

Daniel 2:41 >And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided.....

Rev 17:12 >
And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings; which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Daniel 7:24 >
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise; and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Daniel 8:23 >
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

Rev 17:13 >These
have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Daniel 8:24 >
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power, and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Rev 17:17 >
For God hath put it in their hearts to fulfill his will; and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


 

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the 2nd judgement is after the 1000 years. All the dead will be raised and judged. The goats to the left and the sheep to the right.


But Christ does also separate the goats from the sheep at his coming
please show where, as you said, using only scripture (not your own theories), where there are two separations of the goats and sheep.

show me a SECOND JUDGMENT.

The sheep are those who followed Christ. They will be resurrected and will meet Christ in the air. They will recieve their new spiritual bodies. The goats are the ones that did not follow Christ. They will not be resurrected or picked up to unite with Christ. They will be killed during the 7 trumpets, and the wars but there will be survivors, and these ones with the mark who have gone through major punishment will see their error, and witness that Christ is Lord and he has judged the world...these will have a chance to repent...

exegete using scripture ONLY please, that people who take the mark can repent.


and their children will not be born with the mark, and their childrens children also. All these will live, marry and die, and they will be judged in the 2nd judgement.
prove it.

scripture only.
 
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please show where, as you said, using only scripture (not your own theories), where there are two separations of the goats and sheep.

show me a SECOND JUDGMENT.




exegete using scripture ONLY please, that people who take the mark can repent.




prove it.

scripture only.
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Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had recieved his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection


Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Rev 20:7 And when the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.....


Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: where fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Christ destroyed the first time, not God)



Rev 20:10 And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are.....

(Satan was only locked up at Christ's 2 coming. Not killed straight away)

2nd judgement
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and was found no place for them


Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.



Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.



Rev 20:15 And whosover was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away and there was no more sea.

TWO JUDGEMENTS.
THE FIRST JUDGEMENT. ONLY THE SAINTS ARE RESURRECTED AND PICKED UP. THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE STILL DEAD FOR 1000 YEARS.


THE SECOND JUDGEMENT. ALL THE DEAD ARE RAISED TO BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THE BOOKS. SOME ARE WRITTEN IN BOOK OF LIFE, SOME ARE NOT

SO TWO JUDGEMENTS. TWO DIFFERENT PERIODS OF SEPARATING.

GOD DIVIDES THEM.

GOATS & SHEEP

WHEAT AND TARES
SAME THING.


SAVED OR NOT SAVED
MERCY OR NO MERCY



WHOEVER IS OF THE DEVIL GETS BURN'T IN THE LAKE OF FIRE IN THE 2ND JUDGEMENT.

God carries his work out in his order. Not ours.
His plan. Not ours.



 

zone

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ok journey.
so, you see the first resurrection - Rev 20 as the resurrection of the saints (only) into glorified bodies at The Second Advent...is that right?
 
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ok journey.
so, you see the first resurrection - Rev 20 as the resurrection of the saints (only) into glorified bodies at The Second Advent...is that right?
Yes thats right, but to be more specific Rev 20:4 only. This is the resurrection of the saints only.

Rev 20:12 is the 2nd judgement. All those who did not know of ...or follow Christ, they will be judged according to what is written in the books. A completely different judgement. Their works got recorded.

We need to get into the first resurrection. Thats the one that all our past bad deeds are wiped out and not recorded, because we recieved mercy and followed the lamb and produced good fruits of the spirit.
 

zone

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Yes thats right, but to be more specific Rev 20:4 only. This is the resurrection of the saints only.

Rev 20:12 is the 2nd judgement. All those who did not know of ...or follow Christ, they will be judged according to what is written in the books. A completely different judgement. Their works got recorded.

We need to get into the first resurrection. Thats the one that all our past bad deeds are wiped out and not recorded, because we recieved mercy and followed the lamb and produced good fruits of the spirit.
if you have been born again (regeneration) you have partaken of the first resurrection.
that's NOW. this life. the first death (your body) means nothing.

you get your glorified body at the general resurrection - Second Advent.

having partaken of the first resurrection, you are not in danger of the second death.
the lake of fire.

that has to happen NOW.