The 1st Day of Creation

[ElderChild]

The 1st Day of Creation

"The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And The Spirit of GOD moved upon the face of the waters."

Then GOD spoke HIS Word into being.......

"Let there be Light"!

And:

"There was Light".......

And such 'Light' was to be, and is, Eternal!

So Hope is Alive!

"And GOD called The Light Day, and the darkness HE called night. And the evening and The Morning were The 1st Day."

Even though this wicked world begins and ends it's day in darkness it is good to realize that the 1st Day of Creation, although begun midst darkness, ended in 'Light'!

And such 'Light' was not the sun, moon or stars for they were not created until the 4th Day.

GOD's Word "Let there be Light" became "The Light which enlightens every man born into the world" and was "the glory The Messiah had with Our Father before the world began".......

LIGHT Begot Light.......

LIKE Begot Like.......

The Messiah, "The Light of the world"(Jn8:12).......

The Messiah, "The beginning of The Creation of GOD"(Rev1:1, 3:14).......

The Messiah, "The Son of The Living GOD".......

And Our Father, HE "created all things" by(of, in and thru) The Messiah" (Ep3:9).......

"Let There Be Light!"

The 1st Day of Creation!

Now if the beginning can not be 'seen' nor understood, then what of the end?

Confusion would reign!

And today confusion does reign midst the multitudes of religious systems, all of which are of this world, for apart from "The Light" there is only darkness, "the blind leading the blind" ;-(

Sadly multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved by those members of this, or that religion, in the name of their god(s)!

But one reason why "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of".......

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

"Come Out!" of the systems of this wicked, evil world(babylon), and especially it's systems of religion.......

For the Faithful will not create a religion because the Faithful ARE Family!

The Family of "Our GOD and Father", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named".......

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth", for our "conversation(Life) is in Heaven" and soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it's systems of religion "for the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one"(1JN5:19) indeed and Truth....... francis

 

[Grandpa]

1 John 5-19-20

19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

John 14:26-27
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

are you saying jesus is the light created on the first day because that is false doctrine.

 

[shroom2]

...Confusion would reign!...

Confusion is certainly reigning for some.

 

[cfultz3]

"The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And The Spirit of GOD moved upon the face of the waters."

May I ask about your take of Gen 1:1, in which "God" is in the plural? Does not John 1:1 explain this plurality? In so reading John 1:1, one comes to the conclusion of there being a misinterpretation of your next statement.

Then GOD spoke HIS Word into being.......

"Let there be Light"!

And:

"There was Light".......

Mr. Elder, let us stay with what the Bible says in Gen 1:3 in pertaining to what really happened. It says, "And God said...". This is in total contradiction to your statement of, "Then GOD spoke HIS Word into being". the first one states that God spoke things into creation, and to that, there is not much confusion. However, your statement says that the Word was created. Returning back to the written word, it can be found that this Light which you speak of in contradictive terms is the very same Light which so shines into the world so as to give light of the knowledge of the glory of God. This same Light so shines in the face of Jesus Christ (2Co 4:6). Is this not the same Light which shall drive the wicked into darkness in Job 18?

Why is it that you say that the Word is created, but yet it is said that there are three in Heaven (1John 5:7), that the Word was with God at the beginning (John 1:1)? If we understand that the Word is God, then by your statement, are we to undersand that God is created, although God the Word was there before the creation, which itself implys that He must have been there prior to the initaition of creation?

And such 'Light' was to be, and is, Eternal!

By your own words, you declared that this Light is eternal, that it has no beginning and no ending. It, therefore, could not have been created. But, if you mean "everlasting", then indeed, it is an everlasting Light which shall shine into the ages of the ages. And if having been created, it then cannot be speaking of the Godhead, in particular, God the Word. So your argument that the Light is the Word is inconclusive in that it baits doubt in the eternity of the Godhead. But, it can be said that the Word, in the form of Jesus, is the Light of the World, as He did shine light into darkness. Is not this Light spoken about in this statement, "the Night is far spent, the Day is at hand. This being so, let us cast off the works of Darkness and put on the armor of Light". (Rom 13:12)

"And GOD called The Light Day, and the darkness HE called night. And the evening and The Morning were The 1st Day."

Again, we have the plural word for "God". Cannot it not be seen that the Word was there during creation with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit?

GOD's Word "Let there be Light" became "The Light which enlightens every man born into the world" and was "the glory The Messiah had with Our Father before the world began".......

for clarity, this statement is better dissolved in the light of Biblical references:

That Light which God spoke into existence ("Let there be Light") so embodied Jesus that it shined from His face (2 Co 4:6). Jesus, having came to be a light for the world (John 8:12, 9:5, 12:46), did shine that Light in the darkness (Luke 1:79) . Indeed, He is the truthful Light which enlightens every man who comes into the world (John 1:9) to the truth.
The glory which He, the Word, had with the God was not from being the created Light, but the glory which the Father gave Him (John 17:22): the glory from being the Savior (Ju 1:25), Lord (Php 2:11, 2Pe 1:17), and Creator (Heb 3:3). What is the difference between the Lord Jesus Christ being the Lord o f glory (Jas 2:1) and the God of our Lord Jesus Christ being the Father of glory (Eph 1:17)? Is it not the same glory they share? One, the Lord, and the other, the Father of glory?

The Messiah, "The beginning of The Creation of GOD"(Rev1:1, 3:14).......

We have already clarified that the Word is not the created Light in Genesis. He is, however, the Light given by the Father to the world to shine in the darkness. If we understand that the Word created all things (John 1:3) then we can understand Rev 3:14 as saying, "the Commencer of God's creation". Seeing that "Amen", and "The Faithful and Truthful Witness" are also names He ascribes to Himself.

And Our Father, HE "created all things" by(of, in and thru) The Messiah" (Ep3:9).......

The word "by" means: channel of an act, through. So, yes, I agree that the Father created all things through Jesus Christ. And if Jesus was that channel, then how could He be that created Light, seeing that He created all things, even that Light?"

 

[ElderChild]

May I ask about your take of Gen 1:1, in which "God" is in the plural? Does not John 1:1 explain this plurality? In so reading John 1:1, one comes to the conclusion of there being a misinterpretation of your next statement.

Mr. Elder, let us stay with what the Bible says in Gen 1:3 in pertaining to what really happened. It says, "And God said...". This is in total contradiction to your statement of, "Then GOD spoke HIS Word into being". the first one states that God spoke things into creation, and to that, there is not much confusion. However, your statement says that the Word was created. Returning back to the written word, it can be found that this Light which you speak of in contradictive terms is the very same Light which so shines into the world so as to give light of the knowledge of the glory of God. This same Light so shines in the face of Jesus Christ (2Co 4:6). Is this not the same Light which shall drive the wicked into darkness in Job 18?

Why is it that you say that the Word is created, but yet it is said that there are three in Heaven (1John 5:7), that the Word was with God at the beginning (John 1:1)? If we understand that the Word is God, then by your statement, are we to undersand that God is created, although God the Word was there before the creation, which itself implys that He must have been there prior to the initaition of creatio

By your own words, you declared that this Light is eternal, that it has no beginning and no ending. It, therefore, could not have been created. But, if you mean "everlasting", then indeed, it is an everlasting Light which shall shine into the ages of the ages. And if having been created, it then cannot be speaking of the Godhead, in particular, God the Word. So your argument that the Light is the Word is inconclusive in that it baits doubt in the eternity of the Godhead. But, it can be said that the Word, in the form of Jesus, is the Light of the World, as He did shine light into darkness. Is not this Light spoken about in this statement, "the Night is far spent, the Day is at hand. This being so, let us cast off the works of Darkness and put on the armor of Light". (Rom 13:12)

Again, we have the plural word for "God". Cannot it not be seen that the Word was there during creation with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit?

for clarity, this statement is better dissolved in the light of Biblical references:

That Light which God spoke into existence ("Let there be Light") so embodied Jesus that it shined from His face (2 Co 4:6). Jesus, having came to be a light for the world (John 8:12, 9:5, 12:46), did shine that Light in the darkness (Luke 1:79) . Indeed, He is the truthful Light which enlightens every man who comes into the world (John 1:9) to the truth.
The glory which He, the Word, had with the God was not from being the created Light, but the glory which the Father gave Him (John 17:22): the glory from being the Savior (Ju 1:25), Lord (Php 2:11, 2Pe 1:17), and Creator (Heb 3:3). What is the difference between the Lord Jesus Christ being the Lord o f glory (Jas 2:1) and the God of our Lord Jesus Christ being the Father of glory (Eph 1:17)? Is it not the same glory they share? One, the Lord, and the other, the Father of glory?

We have already clarified that the Word is not the created Light in Genesis. He is, however, the Light given by the Father to the world to shine in the darkness. If we understand that the Word created all things (John 1:3) then we can understand Rev 3:14 as saying, "the Commencer of God's creation". Seeing that "Amen", and "The Faithful and Truthful Witness" are also names He ascribes to Himself.

The word "by" means: channel of an act, through. So, yes, I agree that the Father created all things through Jesus Christ. And if Jesus was that channel, then how could He be that created Light, seeing that He created all things, even that Light?"

Your words but prove you to be but a pagan catholic/christian clone ;-(

Quite obvious that pagan catholic/christian folklore has had it's way with you ;-(

First you speak of a plural "Elohim" in Gen 1:1 because you worship and serve a three headed pagan god ;-(

So your three gods spoke "Let There Be Light!" even though The Messiah testified that He had a GOD and Father(Creator) and that His GOD and Father(Creator) was also The GOD and Father(Creator) of His brethren.

And because you abide in darkness you would consider The Light, "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD", a "thing" that was liken unto the sun or moon or a tree or worm or man ;-(

Simply sad for you ;-(

The Messiah was "The Beginning of The Creation of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD and FATHER OF ALL", Messiah inclusive!

The Messiah, "The Light which enlightens every man born into the world".......

Because of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" and you have chosen to have your portion with them ;-(

Multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of your gods ;-(

So it is that the fruit of death is born of religion's way,
For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Father Help! and HE does.......

 

[Laodicea]

Your words but prove you to be but a pagan catholic/christian clone ;-(

Quite obvious that pagan catholic/christian folklore has had it's way with you ;-(

First you speak of a plural "Elohim" in Gen 1:1 because you worship and serve a three headed pagan god ;-(

So your three gods spoke "Let There Be Light!" even though The Messiah testified that He had a GOD and Father(Creator) and that His GOD and Father(Creator) was also The GOD and Father(Creator) of His brethren.

And because you abide in darkness you would consider The Light, "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD", a "thing" that was liken unto the sun or moon or a tree or worm or man ;-(

Simply sad for you ;-(

The Messiah was "The Beginning of The Creation of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD and FATHER OF ALL", Messiah inclusive!

The Messiah, "The Light which enlightens every man born into the world".......

Because of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" and you have chosen to have your portion with them ;-(

Multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of your gods ;-(

So it is that the fruit of death is born of religion's way,
For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Father Help! and HE does.......

So you believe Jesus is a created being.
John 8:58
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:14
(14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus is the I AM, I AM means eternal one, He is God and God cannot be created

 

[cfultz3]

Your words but prove you to be but a pagan catholic/christian clone ;-(

Quite obvious that pagan catholic/christian folklore has had it's way with you ;-(

First you speak of a plural "Elohim" in Gen 1:1 because you worship and serve a three headed pagan god ;-(

So your three gods spoke "Let There Be Light!" even though The Messiah testified that He had a GOD and Father(Creator) and that His GOD and Father(Creator) was also The GOD and Father(Creator) of His brethren.

And because you abide in darkness you would consider The Light, "The Beginning of The Creation of GOD", a "thing" that was liken unto the sun or moon or a tree or worm or man ;-(

Simply sad for you ;-(

The Messiah was "The Beginning of The Creation of The ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD and FATHER OF ALL", Messiah inclusive!

The Messiah, "The Light which enlightens every man born into the world".......

Because of pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" and you have chosen to have your portion with them ;-(

Multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of your gods ;-(

So it is that the fruit of death is born of religion's way,
For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Father Help! and HE does.......

I gave Biblical references to my statements, may I ask you to do the same? Otherwise, I would be just reasoning with human logic. Would you be so kind as to go and look at the references I gave and state your point with "contradictive" verses? Thank you

 

[cfultz3]

Would you quote me, as I have you, as to where you find error? From there, I can explain, as you can from where I quoted you.

 

[ElderChild]

So you believe Jesus is a created being.
John 8:58
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:14
(14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus is the I AM, I AM means eternal one, He is God and God cannot be created

Quite simply The Messiah testifed that He had a Father(Creator) and GOD, and that His Father(Creator) and GOD was also The Father(Creator) and GOD of His brethren!

Obviously religion has had it's way with you ;-(

Yet while there is breath there is Hope!

For Miracles do happen.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

 

[ElderChild]

I gave Biblical references to my statements, may I ask you to do the same? Otherwise, I would be just reasoning with human logic. Would you be so kind as to go and look at the references I gave and state your point with "contradictive" verses? Thank you

Each and every 'biblical' translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators!

Thankfully Our Father, HE IS ALIVE and HE yet communes with HIS children!

Obviously religion has had it's way with you ;-(

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

For multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the gods of this, or that religion!

So it is that the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

The brethren of The Messiah will have naught to do with religion for they have their portion with The Faithful in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"!

So it is they are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for they have realized that their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and that soon, and very soon, they will be taken Home, Home at last!

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......

 

[Laodicea]

Quite simply The Messiah testifed that He had a Father(Creator) and GOD, and that His Father(Creator) and GOD was also The Father(Creator) and GOD of His brethren!

Obviously religion has had it's way with you ;-(

Yet while there is breath there is Hope!

For Miracles do happen.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

Jesus is not a literal son He is as a son, He humbled Himself

 

[ElderChild]

Jesus is not a literal son He is as a son, He humbled Himself

So also do the brethren of The Messiah humbe themselves!

Quite simply The Messiah testifed that He had a Father(Creator) and GOD, and that His Father(Creator) and GOD was also The Father(Creator) and GOD of His brethren!

Obviously religion has had it's way with you ;-(

Yet while there is breath there is Hope!

For Miracles do happen.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

 

[jb]

So also do the brethren of The Messiah humbe themselves!

Quite simply The Messiah testifed that He had a Father(Creator) and GOD, and that His Father(Creator) and GOD was also The Father(Creator) and GOD of His brethren!

Obviously religion has had it's way with you ;-(

Yet while there is breath there is Hope!

For Miracles do happen.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

I think you record is stuck there...dude!

 

[cfultz3]

Each and every 'biblical' translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators!

Thankfully Our Father, HE IS ALIVE and HE yet communes with HIS children!

Obviously religion has had it's way with you ;-(

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

For multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the gods of this, or that religion!

So it is that the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
Because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

The brethren of The Messiah will have naught to do with religion for they have their portion with The Faithful in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"!

So it is they are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for they have realized that their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and that soon, and very soon, they will be taken Home, Home at last!

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......

It amuzes me that some, NOT ALL, of what you say can be found in the Bible. But yet, when it comes to the verses which you disagree with, then that same Bible you quote all of a suddenly becomes corrupt.

Perhaps, we could use the Testus Receptus, or is that one corrupt also?

 

[ElderChild]

It amuzes me that some, NOT ALL, of what you say can be found in the Bible. But yet, when it comes to the verses which you disagree with, then that same Bible you quote all of a suddenly becomes corrupt.

Perhaps, we could use the Testus Receptus, or is that one corrupt also?

Anything pagan catholicism or christianity has laid their hands on is corrupted!

Yet while there is breath there is Hope!

For Our Father, HE IS ALIVE, and HE yet communes with HIS children.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

 

[ElderChild]

I think you record is stuck there...dude!

i hope so, for i most certainly want to remain 'stuck' on TRUTH and not in a system of religion, for all such are of this wicked, evil world and are 'stuck' in the sinking sand that is of their father, "the father of lies"!

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Father Help! and HE does........

 

[cfultz3]

Quite simply The Messiah testifed that He had a Father(Creator) and GOD, and that His Father(Creator) and GOD was also The Father(Creator) and GOD of His brethren!

Quite simply the truth is as follows:

The man we know as Jesus did not come from the seed of a man, but was so conceived through a seed of God. Having been born, He, therefore, needed, through the biological concept of needing the seed of a man and the egg of a woman to be born, a father and a mother. No one would ever argue that Mary was His mother. But, logic tells us that there must also be a father. So, if the seed came from God, then He who supplied the seed, is the father. So, the God became the Father of the man Jesus, the man who was the Word incarnated.

It was the man Jesus who basically said, "my Father, your Father, and my God, your God". So yes, the man Jesus had a Father. So yes, Jesus, being a man, had a God.

The Christ (Messiah) never had a Father, but the Son did. There was never a Son until the birth of Jesus, this is when the God became the Father. Being the Christ was a role the Word took upon Himself when He was born in the flesh. Dare I to ask you, what is meant by "The Lord is my Redeemer", if not "Jehovah is my Redeemer?" If we know that Jehovah is eternal, then we know that the Christ is eternal. Therefore, the Christ (the Messiah) has no need of a father or a God, seeing that my Redeemer is my Lord = Jehovah. So, is it not the Son, Jesus, who says this and not the Messiah? We must discern the Diginities of the Son to know who He is.

 

[cfultz3]

Anything pagan catholicism or christianity has laid their hands on is corrupted!

Come now, I have visited your site and you plainly quote the Bible, even given Biblical references.


If you use that which you condemn, then are you not also like those whom you condemn?


How do you, if you condemn the very words which He has spoken in His written words, discern which fatherly voice you hear?


To me, you make no sense. By what conceivable means do you have to convince others of your truth when you condemn the truth they know to be the truth? You are not talking to those who are ignorant, but to those who, through the Holy Spirit, know the Bible is God's written word. As for me, and I hope for all, you could speak a million words of persuasion, but when you speak the same words which you are convinced have been corrupted, then I see one who speaks a lie, as you speak those purposed corrupted words.

 

[ElderChild]

Come now, I have visited your site and you plainly quote the Bible, even given Biblical references.

If you use that which you condemn, then are you not also like those whom you condemn?

How do you, if you condemn the very words which He has spoken in His written words, discern which fatherly voice you hear?

To me, you make no sense. By what conceivable means do you have to convince others of your truth when you condemn the truth they know to be the truth? You are not talking to those who are ignorant, but to those who, through the Holy Spirit, know the Bible is God's written word. As for me, and I hope for all, you could speak a million words of persuasion, but when you speak the same words which you are convinced have been corrupted, then I see one who speaks a lie, as you speak those purposed corrupted words.

Your understanding is dark indeed!

Anything pagan catholicism or christianity has laid their hands on is corrupted!