The 1st Day of Creation

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Quite simply the truth is as follows:

The man we know as Jesus did not come from the seed of a man, but was so conceived through a seed of God. Having been born, He, therefore, needed, through the biological concept of needing the seed of a man and the egg of a woman to be born, a father and a mother. No one would ever argue that Mary was His mother. But, logic tells us that there must also be a father. So, if the seed came from God, then He who supplied the seed, is the father. So, the God became the Father of the man Jesus, the man who was the Word incarnated.

It was the man Jesus who basically said, "my Father, your Father, and my God, your God". So yes, the man Jesus had a Father. So yes, Jesus, being a man, had a God.

The Christ (Messiah) never had a Father, but the Son did. There was never a Son until the birth of Jesus, this is when the God became the Father. Being the Christ was a role the Word took upon Himself when He was born in the flesh. Dare I to ask you, what is meant by "The Lord is my Redeemer", if not "Jehovah is my Redeemer?" If we know that Jehovah is eternal, then we know that the Christ is eternal. Therefore, the Christ (the Messiah) has no need of a father or a God, seeing that my Redeemer is my Lord = Jehovah. So, is it not the Son, Jesus, who says this and not the Messiah? We must discern the Diginities of the Son to know who He is.
You must be a son of the father of lies", and/or worse yet a pentecostal, to believe the lies you propagate!

Quite simply The Messiah testifed that He had a Father(Creator) and GOD, and that His Father(Creator) and GOD was also The Father(Creator) and GOD of His brethren!

And He bore witness to such after His Father and GOD raised Him from among the dead!

Your version of a god is dead!
 
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#22
Your understanding is dark indeed!

Anything pagan catholicism or christianity has laid their hands on is corrupted!
If this is your only response to having been asked why you condemn the Bible as being corrupt, then there is nothing more to be said. As for you not responding in a guiding manner, if what you say is truth, then I am lead to believe that your infliction of criticism, if not down right implying that I am a worker of Satan, hints at deception.
 
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If this is your only response to having been asked why you condemn the Bible as being corrupt, then there is nothing more to be said. As for you not responding in a guiding manner, if what you say is truth, then I am lead to believe that your infliction of criticism, if not down right implying that I am a worker of Satan, hints at deception.
Simply if you believe the "imag"ined 'jesus' is god, is the son, and is the holy, set apart, spirit, YES! you are of "the father of lies"!
 
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If this is your only response to having been asked why you condemn the Bible as being corrupt, then there is nothing more to be said. As for you not responding in a guiding manner, if what you say is truth, then I am lead to believe that your infliction of criticism, if not down right implying that I am a worker of Satan, hints at deception.
Could not edit the previous post so i will restate what was in that post with the addition:

Simply if you believe the "imag"ined 'jesus' is god, is the father, is the son, and is the holy, set apart, spirit, YES! you are of "the father of lies"!
 
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Could not edit the previous post so i will restate what was in that post with the addition:

Simply if you believe the "imag"ined 'jesus' is god, is the father, is the son, and is the holy, set apart, spirit, YES! you are of "the father of lies"!
Do you believe that all scripture is given by inspiration of God?
 
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Could not edit the previous post so i will restate what was in that post with the addition:

Simply if you believe the "imag"ined 'jesus' is god, is the father, is the son, and is the holy, set apart, spirit, YES! you are of "the father of lies"!
Then, who do you say Jesus is?
 
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Do you believe that all scripture is given by inspiration of God?
i realize that each and every "biblical" translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators.......

Yet, i also believe that Our Father, HE yet communes with HIS children and can reveal all things!

Father Help! and HE does.......
 

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i hope so, for i most certainly want to remain 'stuck' on TRUTH and not in a system of religion, for all such are of this wicked, evil world and are 'stuck' in the sinking sand that is of their father, "the father of lies"!

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Father Help! and HE does........
You wouldn't recognize truth, even if it came and kicked you up the backside...dude, as you talk a lot of nonsense! :p
 
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Laodicea

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i realize that each and every "biblical" translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators.......

Yet, i also believe that Our Father, HE yet communes with HIS children and can reveal all things!

Father Help! and HE does.......
So which Bible do you use?
 
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Could not edit the previous post so i will restate what was in that post with the addition:

Simply if you believe the "imag"ined 'jesus' is god, is the father, is the son, and is the holy, set apart, spirit, YES! you are of "the father of lies"!
Jesus inasmuch He is the Word incarnated, is God. But, where, as you will not have found that I have said such, did i say that Jesus is the Father or that Jesus is the Holy Spirit? You will, however, find that I have and do say that God the Father is God, God the Word is God, and God the Holy Spirit is God. Since I have declared this to be true, then it is up to you, the one to whom I am speaking to, to prove me wrong. But, the only means by which I could be proven wrong, if I am, is for you to use Scripture. But, you refuse to use Scripture, even though you do use Scripture on your website and on this chat.

So, what am I to do, when you do not even read my posts? If you did, then you would not have had written this quote. How can we speak about a subject, when you do not agree about the subject being spoken about? Namely, the Bible.
 
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You wouldn't recognize truth, even if it came and kicked you up the backside...dude, as you talk a lot of nonsense! :p
Simply sad for you ;-( for your "foolish talk and jesting" will most certainly judge and condemn you ;-(
 
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Jesus inasmuch He is the Word incarnated, is God. But, where, as you will not have found that I have said such, did i say that Jesus is the Father or that Jesus is the Holy Spirit? You will, however, find that I have and do say that God the Father is God, God the Word is God, and God the Holy Spirit is God. Since I have declared this to be true, then it is up to you, the one to whom I am speaking to, to prove me wrong. But, the only means by which I could be proven wrong, if I am, is for you to use Scripture. But, you refuse to use Scripture, even though you do use Scripture on your website and on this chat.

So, what am I to do, when you do not even read my posts? If you did, then you would not have had written this quote. How can we speak about a subject, when you do not agree about the subject being spoken about? Namely, the Bible.
The so-called 'subject' was "The 1st Day of Creation'.......

You testified:

"god the word is god" ;-(

"The Christ (Messiah) never had a Father, but the Son did. There was never a Son until the birth of Jesus, this is when the God became the Father. Being the Christ was a role the Word took upon Himself when He was born in the flesh. Dare I to ask you, what is meant by "The Lord is my Redeemer", if not "Jehovah is my Redeemer?" If we know that Jehovah is eternal, then we know that the Christ is eternal. Therefore, the Christ (the Messiah) has no need of a father or a God, seeing that my Redeemer is my Lord = Jehovah. So, is it not the Son, Jesus, who says this and not the Messiah? We must discern the Diginities of the Son to know who He is" ;-(

Wholly, totally, completely of "the father of lies"!
 
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cfultz3

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So which Bible do you use?
Hi Loadicea,

I just want to say to you, that in the spirit realm, there are two sets of fathers, two sets of messiahs, and two sets of indwelling spirits. Not all who says "father" is speaking of "Father", likewise with the other names. One, who stole the true Gospel, is a father to those who deny the diety of The Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. the Other, the One true God, says, "Christ is our Savior (Luk 2:11) and our Savior is God (Tit 1:3), our Redeemer is the LORD (search OT). Thus says the LORD, "....I the LORD am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob" (Isa 49:26).



 
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Hi Loadicea,

I just want to say to you, that in the spirit realm, there are two sets of fathers, two sets of messiahs, and two sets of indwelling spirits. Not all who says "father" is speaking of "Father", likewise with the other names. One, who stole the true Gospel, is a father to those who deny the diety of The Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. the Other, the One true God, says, "Christ is our Savior (Luk 2:11) and our Savior is God (Tit 1:3), our Redeemer is the LORD (search OT). Thus says the LORD, "....I the LORD am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob" (Isa 49:26).


Proof positive why one should not "use the bible"!

For Faith was strong when the common man had no printed word to theorize and cfultz3 most certainly proves those "colored marks written on a dead tree" are abused and misused to the edification of "the father of lies", delusion, deception and every evil work!

Religion most certainly has had it's way with the multitudes ;-(

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Father Help! and HE does.......
 
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The so-called 'subject' was "The 1st Day of Creation'.......

You testified:

"god the word is god" ;-(

"The Christ (Messiah) never had a Father, but the Son did. There was never a Son until the birth of Jesus, this is when the God became the Father. Being the Christ was a role the Word took upon Himself when He was born in the flesh. Dare I to ask you, what is meant by "The Lord is my Redeemer", if not "Jehovah is my Redeemer?" If we know that Jehovah is eternal, then we know that the Christ is eternal. Therefore, the Christ (the Messiah) has no need of a father or a God, seeing that my Redeemer is my Lord = Jehovah. So, is it not the Son, Jesus, who says this and not the Messiah? We must discern the Diginities of the Son to know who He is" ;-(

Wholly, totally, completely of "the father of lies"!
Let they who read this tread be the judge as to who is right and who is wrong as to pertaining to the Deity of Jesus, the Christ. As for me, not knowing your name(s), I cannot rebuke. I have spoken that which is the Truth, as that which is God inspired from the Book. As for you, you speak the words your spiritual father unabatedly speaks. Words full of condemnation, riddled with ridicule, doubled-faced. Do you see this as the way God the Father speaks? Certainly, you must know better than that!!!!!!
 
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i don't "use" what this world calls it's 'bible'.
Then there is no point in discussing the Bible with you since you do not believe the Bible to be the word of God. For even if you are shown from the Bible you will not believe.
 
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Then there is no point in discussing the Bible with you since you do not believe the Bible to be the word of God. For even if you are shown from the Bible you will not believe.
TRUTH is not manifest in discussion, debate, or mankind's "imag"ination for "a love of The TRUTH" must be received for one to be saved!

Obviously you have received naught but a love for the colored marks written on a dead tree which proves that pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters yet have their way with you as they follow "the father of lies" on "the broad way to destruction" ;-(

Those with "eyes to see and ears to hear" realize that each and every 'biblical' translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators ;-(

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-biblical-translations-biased.html#post641650

Thankfully, while there is breath there is Hope!

For Miracles do happen.......

Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth".

Father Help! and HE does.......

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Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(religion) all of which is of this wicked, evil world....... francis
 
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Let they who read this tread be the judge as to who is right and who is wrong as to pertaining to the Deity of Jesus, the Christ. As for me, not knowing your name(s), I cannot rebuke. I have spoken that which is the Truth, as that which is God inspired from the Book. As for you, you speak the words your spiritual father unabatedly speaks. Words full of condemnation, riddled with ridicule, doubled-faced. Do you see this as the way God the Father speaks? Certainly, you must know better than that!!!!!!
Did not The Messiah speak The Words of "Our Father and GOD"?

Here is a prime example of the love The Messiah had for the religious ones during the time He walked upon the face of the earth.
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Mat 23:13-35 - "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men, for you don't go in yourselves, and when others try to enter in, you seek to prevent them.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer, therefore you shall receive the greater damnation.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell that you yourselves are.

Woe unto you, you blind guides, which say, "Whoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing, but whoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

You blind fools, for what is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

And, whoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

You fools and blind, for what is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?

Whoever therefore shall swear by the altar, swears by it, and by all things that are on the altar.

And whoever shall swear by the temple, swears by it, and by HIM that dwells in the temple.

And he that shall swear by heaven, swears by The Throne of G-D, and by HIM WHO sits upon The Throne.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith, these you ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

You blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

You blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are liken unto whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Even so you also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the tombs of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Therefore you are witnesses unto yourselves, that you are the children of them which killed the prophets. You are but filling up the measure of your fathers.

You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?

Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you shall kill and crucify, and some of them you shall scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city.

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar."
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Yes! The Messiah LOVED them! He loved them enough to tell them The Truth even though He knew they wanted to kill Him!

And so it remains unto this day ;-(

The religious ones, and the systems of religion that bind them in the chains of strong delusion, but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's ;-(

They still seek and desire to crucify The Truth ;-(

Yet, Thankfully Truth Will Always Rise Again!

HalleluYAH!

Sadly, multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved by pagan catholicism and her harlot christian daughters, as well as the other systems of religions ;-( For all systems of religion are of this wicked, evil world(babylon)!

And The Call of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD yet resounds, "Come Out of her, MY people!"

"Come Out!" of the systems that are of this wicked world(babylon) and especially it's systems of religion!

For The Faithful will not create a religion, because The Faithful ARE Family.......

The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"!

So is is that the brethren of The Messiah are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and soon, and very soon, they will be taken Home, Home at last.......

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......