The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

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Truth7t7 said:
KJV1611 shows you're "Error" in Dispensationalism's/Dual Covenant Theology, and you personally bring him into "Judgement"?

It's your belief that's in error, nobody is hating a geographical place on earth called "Israel" or persons who live there.
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They twist every thing, bible verses, what other people say. They get very offended when someone tells the truth about the Jews.... after all they treat the Jews like the Catholics treat the virgin Mary. The Jews are sacred ground for these folks and they get just as offended as a Catholic does when people tell the truth about their virgin mama.
 
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Absurd is being kind

It's my opinion Preterism is heretical deception.
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It’s my opinion that Dispensationalism is an heresy that crippled the church teaching it to abandon bringing the gospel to the nations and simply sit and wait til Jesus comes. It’s fruit indicates an origins that is not from above. That you calling another’s man understanding of Revelation “absurd” shows that fruit. That you think this is kind shows an even worse fruit.
 
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biker said:
Just out of curiosity, which varieties of preterism appeals to you?
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I like the idea that The book of Revelation is about current events back then, but using a kind of code that we don't have access to today.

a couple reasons for this:
the genre of apocalyptic literature was common at the time.
John could criticize Rome, but the book wouldn't be censored since it wasn't obvious.
John wanted to give hope to persecuted Christians.

it's that last reason that the book really shines today!

I think that's basically a preterest idea.
 
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No I didn't say that. I said Ethnic Jews are not God's chosen people. God chooses whom he wants from whatever race he wants.

You don't know much about the bible. Christianity isn't new, it's been around since the beginning. Christ was in the CHURCH in the wilderness.

David was a new testament priest just like we are new testament priests. The bible proves it, but you wont get it. David was blameless for eating the shewbread because he was s PRIEST.

Mat_12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
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Lol. Yes you did. And God will choose more "ethnic Jews" yet future. And your notions of the origin and nature of the Church make you look like a fool and liar even more than you do already. The Church was started at Pentecost and was a mystery only revealed afterward so says Paul.
 
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KJV1611 said:
No I didn't say that. I said Ethnic Jews are not God's chosen people. God chooses whom he wants from whatever race he wants.

You don't know much about the bible. Christianity isn't new, it's been around since the beginning. Christ was in the CHURCH in the wilderness.

David was a new testament priest just like we are new testament priests. The bible proves it, but you wont get it. David was blameless for eating the shewbread because he was s PRIEST.

Mat_12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
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David was a priest? BWAHAHAHA! He would have been executed for trying. Or kicked to the curb like Saul was.
 
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KJV1611 said:
No I didn't say that. I said Ethnic Jews are not God's chosen people. God chooses whom he wants from whatever race he wants.

You don't know much about the bible. Christianity isn't new, it's been around since the beginning. Christ was in the CHURCH in the wilderness.

David was a new testament priest just like we are new testament priests. The bible proves it, but you wont get it. David was blameless for eating the shewbread because he was s PRIEST.

Mat_12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
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Oohhh. So the Israelites under Moses in the wilderness were actually Christians?
 
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But the truth is that Jerusalem is the city of the Great King, The city of the Lord, And the Zion of the Holy one of Israel. Of course the amillennialist deny this.....but not for much longer trust me.
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Which Jerusalem do you have in mind? The one that existed at the time of Jesus who said it was a city of a great king. The one rebuilt
after that one was ploughed over by Rome or the one that stands now that was partly rebuilt under Constantine. In my Bible it says that
Jerusalem will suffer an earthquake during the tribulation. Amillenialists deny that there will be a 1000 year millenium. Thats what the term means ie no millennium. But what they and most Christians believe is that Gods real Jerusalem comes down from heaven.
 
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Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Saved Gentiles - The Israel of God.
Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun ( Saved Gentiles). When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Saved Jews - The Israel of God.
Isa 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob (Saved Jews), saith the LORD.

As it is written, all of Israel, both the Jews of God and Gentiles of God shall be saved.
 
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David was a priest? BWAHAHAHA! He would have been executed for trying. Or kicked to the curb like Saul was.
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1 Sam 13:9 Saul rejected for making priestly sacrafices. Specifically.
 
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tanakh said:
Which Jerusalem do you have in mind? The one that existed at the time of Jesus who said it was a city of a great king. The one rebuilt
after that one was ploughed over by Rome or the one that stands now that was partly rebuilt under Constantine. In my Bible it says that
Jerusalem will suffer an earthquake during the tribulation. Amillenialists deny that there will be a 1000 year millenium. Thats what the term means ie no millennium. But what they and most Christians believe is that Gods real Jerusalem comes down from heaven.
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Lol. The future one after the GT and SC. Obviously. The Scriptures are overwhelming.
 
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Oohhh. So the Israelites under Moses in the wilderness were actually Christians?
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Do you know anything about the bible?

Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

(1Co 10:2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
(1Co 10:3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
(1Co 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

People who follow Christ and drink from the Rock are generally called Christians except in dispensational circles.
 
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David was a priest? BWAHAHAHA! He would have been executed for trying. Or kicked to the curb like Saul was.
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How old are you? Are you an adult?
 
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Do you know anything about the bible?

Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

(1Co 10:2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
(1Co 10:3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
(1Co 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

People who follow Christ and drink from the Rock are generally called Christians except in dispensational circles.
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Total fail. Your exegesis is 100% wrong 100% of the time.
 
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1 Sam 13:9 Saul rejected for making priestly sacrafices. Specifically.
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Here you go again with another line of bull. The bible says Saul was rejected because he rejected the word of the Lord. Do you see the severity of rejecting the word of the Lord. You just did that in your comment here. You said Saul was rejected for making priestly sacrifices... you didn't get that from the word of the Lord, you made it up. Yet you proclaim it like it's the truth. SMH

(1Sa 15:23) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
(1Sa 15:24) And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
(1Sa 15:25) Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
(1Sa 15:26) And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
 
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Total fail. Your exegesis is 100% wrong 100% of the time.
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Wrong?
Was Christ in the church in the wilderness?
Did the children drink from that Rock which was Christ?
Do most people call those that are led by Christ, Christians? If not, then what do you call them?
 
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KJV1611 said:
Here you go again with another line of bull. The bible says Saul was rejected because he rejected the word of the Lord. Do you see the severity of rejecting the word of the Lord. You just did that in your comment here. You said Saul was rejected for making priestly sacrifices... you didn't get that from the word of the Lord, you made it up. Yet you proclaim it like it's the truth. SMH

(1Sa 15:23) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
(1Sa 15:24) And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
(1Sa 15:25) Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
(1Sa 15:26) And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
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Lol. Exactly. The word which he broke in 1 Sam 13 by foolishly trying to usurp the Levitical priesthood. You are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Why this is so is obvious.

And Samuel said to Saul, “You have done foolishly. You have not kept the command of the LORD your God, with which he commanded you. For then the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever. 14But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought out a man after his own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be princeb over his people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.”
 
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Wrong?
Was Christ in the church in the wilderness?
Did the children drink from that Rock which was Christ?
Do most people call those that are led by Christ, Christians? If not, then what do you call them?
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David was a priest and Moses was a Christian. BWAHAHAHA!
 
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KJV1611 said:
They twist every thing, bible verses, what other people say. They get very offended when someone tells the truth about the Jews.... after all they treat the Jews like the Catholics treat the virgin Mary. The Jews are sacred ground for these folks and they get just as offended as a Catholic does when people tell the truth about their virgin mama.
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What do you say in response to what I'd put in my Post #231 (page 12)?


What do you believe the "two days" and "in the third day" mean, in that passage (in that post), re: Israel's "future"? How was that fulfilled, in your view (if you think it was)? [I provided explanation in that post]

Post #231 (of this thread): https://christianchat.com/threads/the-absurdity-and-heresy-of-preterism.192468/post-4264790



[I placed additional scripture references (did not type out whole passages, due to making the post too lengthy) which are placed toward the bottom of the post... even though people tend not to look them up and examine them, to the point... but I wanted to make sure the reader of this post takes note of them, as well, when considering the point of that post... and I would note here, that Peter had said "be not ignorant OF THIS ONE THING" ;) ]
 
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Acts 3:21 - "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."




[there are yet unfulfilled prophecies ^ (spoken of by the OT prophets ^ just as that verse states ^ ) which are concerning "Israel" (my Post #231 shows one such passage)... and God WILL bring them to pass]
 
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David was a priest and Moses was a Christian. BWAHAHAHA!
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This is basic stuff I can't believe you don't understand this. You know the church was hidden in the closet... she came out when when Jesus came out of his chamber. But you don't understand that because it's written in the book of Joel and you think Jesus is still in the chamber waiting for 2000 years to expire lol.

(Joe 2:16) Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
 
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